Home or Pro??

[jon@AZ.net]

Hi,

What are the benifits, if any, of Xp Pro over XP Home?



thanks

[Ted]

> wrote in message =
...
> Hi,
>=20
> What are the benifits, if any, of XP Pro over XP Home?
>=20

<parody on>

Ken Blake, and Bruce Chambers always say ---- >
..
"XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all =
respects"------------------------------ (What, how is this so, you say!)

Except, they are not the same for some obvious reasons;

One obvious difference are the names (Pro and Home versions).
- Pro also offers more in depth file security, and personalised policy =
configurations for multiple users.=20
- Pro has IIS (Intelligent Internet Services, Home doesn't)
- Pro supports the ability to join a domain, Home doesn't, Pro can =
support dual-processors, Home cannot.=20

Plus, a few more things; so if you ever see the two persons mentioned =
above say what I quoted they parrot all the time, ask them, "How are =
they exactly the same in all respects?"

<parody off>

[R&L Hutchinson]

Below is a link with a simple chart of xp pro vs xp home side by side
comparison
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/howtobuy/choosing2.asp

There is a wealth of info and some exellent web sites, use the google search
engine "windows xp pro vs windows xp home"

Good info about XP Home edition
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/evaluation/features.asp

Good info about XP Pro
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/pro/evaluation/features.asp


> wrote in message
...
Hi,

What are the benifits, if any, of Xp Pro over XP Home?



thanks

[Ken Blake]

In , wrote:


> What are the benifits, if any, of Xp Pro over XP Home?


XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not
all) home users, these features aren't needed, would never be
used, and buying Professional instead of Home is a waste of
money.

For details go to

http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp

http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp


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[Ted]

"Ken Blake" > wrote in message =
...
> In , wrote:
>=20
>=20
> > What are the benifits, if any, of Xp Pro over XP Home?
>=20
>=20
> XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
> except that Professional has a few features (mostly related to
> networking and security) missing from Home. For most (but not
> all) home users, these features aren't needed, would never be
> used, and buying Professional instead of Home is a waste of
> money.
>=20
> For details go to
>=20
> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp
>=20
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/whichxp.asp
>=20
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
>=20

So, did you read the detail at the links you provided? If you did, then =
how you say they are the "same in all respects" is laughable!

[PaulC]

while I agree with you, IIS means internet information services, not
intelligent internet services.
As well:
Pro has remote desktop, Home does to, but can only be a client, not a host.
Pro supports offline files and folders.
Pro has centralized administration, home doesn't.
Pro can automatically install, configure, repair or remove programs.
Pro supports roaming profiles.
Pro supports remote installations.
Pro supports a add-on which allows multiple languages for the OS

So saying "XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all respects,
except that Professional has a few features" is a little more than a minor
inaccuracy.

" Ted" <"""""'""""""> wrote in message
s.com...

> wrote in message
...
> Hi,
>
> What are the benifits, if any, of XP Pro over XP Home?
>

<parody on>

Ken Blake, and Bruce Chambers always say ---- >
..
"XP Professional and XP Home are exactly the same in all
respects"------------------------------ (What, how is this so, you say!)

Except, they are not the same for some obvious reasons;

One obvious difference are the names (Pro and Home versions).
- Pro also offers more in depth file security, and personalised policy
configurations for multiple users.
- Pro has IIS (Intelligent Internet Services, Home doesn't)
- Pro supports the ability to join a domain, Home doesn't, Pro can support
dual-processors, Home cannot.

Plus, a few more things; so if you ever see the two persons mentioned above
say what I quoted they parrot all the time, ask them, "How are they exactly
the same in all respects?"

<parody off>

[Ted]

"PaulC" > wrote in message =
...
> while I agree with you, IIS means internet information services, not
> intelligent internet services.

LOL, it was a poor attempt at "intelligence" here (as opposed to the two =
****wits I referred to in my previous post) when I did that!

[PaulC]

plz watch ur language, even if you have a point, people won't listen if u
swear. (Unless your talking to someone like Amethyst :P)
" Ted" <""> wrote in message
s.com...

"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
> while I agree with you, IIS means internet information services, not
> intelligent internet services.

LOL, it was a poor attempt at "intelligence" here (as opposed to the two
****wits I referred to in my previous post) when I did that!

[Ted]

"PaulC" > wrote in message =
...
> plz watch ur language, even if you have a point, people won't listen =
if u
> swear. (Unless your talking to someone like Amethyst :P)

FOAD, you top posting twit!

[PaulC]

huh? how am I top posting?
" Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote in message
s.com...

"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
> plz watch ur language, even if you have a point, people won't listen if u
> swear. (Unless your talking to someone like Amethyst :P)

FOAD, you top posting twit!

[Ron Martell]

" Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote:


>So, did you read the detail at the links you provided? If you did, then how you say they are the "same in all respects" is laughable!

They are compiled from the same source code.

A better description is to say that Pro is a super set of Home.


Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca

"The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."

[PaulC]

That is true, but saying that they are the same in all aspects except for a
few things is a little more than bending the truth. There are more than a
"few" differences
"Ron Martell" > wrote in message
...
> " Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote:
>
>
> >So, did you read the detail at the links you provided? If you did, then
how you say they are the "same in all respects" is laughable!
>
> They are compiled from the same source code.
>
> A better description is to say that Pro is a super set of Home.
>
>
> Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> --
> Microsoft MVP
> On-Line Help Computer Service
> http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
>
> "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."

[Walter Clayton]

Such as?

I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one hand.
Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp


"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
> That is true, but saying that they are the same in all aspects except for
a
> few things is a little more than bending the truth. There are more than a
> "few" differences
> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > " Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >So, did you read the detail at the links you provided? If you did, then
> how you say they are the "same in all respects" is laughable!
> >
> > They are compiled from the same source code.
> >
> > A better description is to say that Pro is a super set of Home.
> >
> >
> > Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> > --
> > Microsoft MVP
> > On-Line Help Computer Service
> > http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
> >
> > "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
>
>

[Ken Blake]

"PaulC" > wrote in message
...

> That is true, but saying that they are the same in all aspects
except for a
> few things is a little more than bending the truth. There are
more than a
> "few" differences


The point, which I've tried to make several times, is that there
are really no differences at all, There are only *additions* in
Professional (and not very many of those) Everything that works
in Home also works in Professional; there are a few other
capabilities that Professional adds to what Home can do, but *no*
deletions.

That's what I mean when I say that "XP Professional and XP Home
are exactly the same in all respects, except that Professional
has a few features (mostly related to networking and security)
missing from Home." You lose nothing by going from Home to
Professional; you only gain a few capabilities. The basic code
remains exactly the same, and that's the code that's responsible
for most of XP's features, and all of its stability.

Compare the difference between XP Home and Professional with the
diffrence between XP Home and Windows 98. Here, although they can
be made to look almost the same on the surface, under the hood
almost everything is different. There is little, if any code that
is the same. That's why they vary greatly in stability, why some
things don't work exactly the same way, why each has has features
the other doesn't, and so on.

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup

--
Ken Blake
Please reply to the newsgroup


> "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
> ...
> > " Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote:
> >
> >
> > >So, did you read the detail at the links you provided? If
you did, then
> how you say they are the "same in all respects" is laughable!
> >
> > They are compiled from the same source code.
> >
> > A better description is to say that Pro is a super set of
Home.
> >
> >
> > Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> > --
> > Microsoft MVP
> > On-Line Help Computer Service
> > http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
> >
> > "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't
eat much."
>
>

[Ted]

"Ken Blake" > wrote in message =
...
> "PaulC" > wrote in message
> ...
>=20
> > That is true, but saying that they are the same in all aspects
> except for a
> > few things is a little more than bending the truth. There are
> more than a
> > "few" differences
>=20
>=20
> The point, which I've tried to make several times, is that there
> are really no differences at all, There are only *additions* in
> Professional (and not very many of those) Everything that works
> in Home also works in Professional; there are a few other
> capabilities that Professional adds to what Home can do, but *no*
> deletions.

You stupid ****ing ****! Then they are different, and no wording to say =
they are the same, will make them, in any ****ing sense of the words, =
"the same"!

>=20
> That's what I mean when I say that "XP Professional and XP Home
> are exactly the same in all respects, except that Professional
> has a few features (mostly related to networking and security)
> missing from Home.

All respects means, in NUT, everything! Then to say there are =
differences, makes you not only illogical, but also a gormless pillock!

> " You lose nothing by going from Home to
> Professional; you only gain a few capabilities.

So, the two are different, in different respects?

> The basic code
> remains exactly the same, and that's the code that's responsible
> for most of XP's features, and all of its stability.

I note that you say, "most" (allusion to differences)!

<snipped gibberish>=20

[PaulC]

"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
...
> Such as?
>
> I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one hand.
> Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
Less than 6 eh?
1) Remote Desktop
2) Joining a domain
3) File Encryption
4) Advanced Security Settings
5) IIS
6) Multiple Languages
7) Multiple Processors
8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
9) Smart Card Support
10) Offline Files and Folders
11) Wireless Network
12) Unattended Install
13) System Prep tool
14) Remote Install
15) Group Policy

>
> --
> Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> http://www.dts-l.org
> http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
>
>
> "PaulC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > That is true, but saying that they are the same in all aspects except
for
> a
> > few things is a little more than bending the truth. There are more than
a
> > "few" differences
> > "Ron Martell" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > " Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > > >So, did you read the detail at the links you provided? If you did,
then
> > how you say they are the "same in all respects" is laughable!
> > >
> > > They are compiled from the same source code.
> > >
> > > A better description is to say that Pro is a super set of Home.
> > >
> > >
> > > Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
> > > --
> > > Microsoft MVP
> > > On-Line Help Computer Service
> > > http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
> > >
> > > "The reason computer chips are so small is computers don't eat much."
> >
> >
>

[Brian Tillman]

>huh? how am I top posting?

By putting your reply on top of the message to which you are replying.
--
Brian Tillman Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com
Smiths Aerospace Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.
3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "."
Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991
This opinion doesn't represent that of my company

[Walter Clayton]

Nope. ;-)

Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.

....inline..


--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp


"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
>
> "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Such as?
> >
> > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one
hand.
> > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> Less than 6 eh?
> 1) Remote Desktop

OK. I forgot this one.

> 2) Joining a domain

Yep.

> 3) File Encryption

Yep.

> 4) Advanced Security Settings

Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works perfectly fine
in normal as well. ;-)

> 5) IIS

Yep.

> 6) Multiple Languages

From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input language on
HE.

> 7) Multiple Processors

Yep.

> 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.

Wrong.

> 9) Smart Card Support

Wrong.

> 10) Offline Files and Folders

Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road. ;-)

> 11) Wireless Network

Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.

> 12) Unattended Install

Wrong.

> 13) System Prep tool

Wrong.

> 14) Remote Install

Wrong.

> 15) Group Policy

Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?

>

[Ted]

"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message =
...
> Such as?
>=20
> I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one =
hand.
> Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.

You obviously are not "expert" in knowledge about XP, but I guess that =
means the MVP tag applies correctly then, right (LOL)?

Read here,=20

http://asia.cnet.com/itmanager/tech/0,39006407,39039863,00.htm

[Walter Clayton]

LOL!

Some of that article is incorrect. ;-)

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp


"Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote in message
s.com...

"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
...
> Such as?
>
> I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one hand.
> Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.

You obviously are not "expert" in knowledge about XP, but I guess that means
the MVP tag applies correctly then, right (LOL)?

Read here,

http://asia.cnet.com/itmanager/tech/0,39006407,39039863,00.htm

[Ted]

"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message =
...
> LOL!
>=20
> Some of that article is incorrect. ;-)
>=20

Oh dear! The "ego says I am right" syndrome! I can cite more official =
sources, but the fact that you'll ignore them based on that you simply =
say so, doesn't make your statement correct, and will prove fruitless, =
as well as a waste of time.

[PaulC]

So what. Many other users do it. I find it makes posts easier to read.
There's no reason to have to scroll through stuff you've already read just
to see the reply.
"Brian Tillman" > wrote in message
...
> >huh? how am I top posting?
>
> By putting your reply on top of the message to which you are replying.
> --
> Brian Tillman Internet: Brian.Tillman at smiths-aerospace dot com
> Smiths Aerospace Addresses modified to prevent SPAM.
> 3290 Patterson Ave. SE, MS 1B3 Replace "at" with "@", "dot" with "."
> Grand Rapids, MI 49512-1991
> This opinion doesn't represent that of my company
>
>

[Ted]

"PaulC" > wrote in message =
...
> So what. Many other users do it. I find it makes posts easier to =
read.
> There's no reason to have to scroll through stuff you've already read =
just
> to see the reply.

No, but most will not read your munged posts from doing so, you little =
turd!

[PaulC]

Well, as to #6 (Multiple Languages), I meant by that a Multi-Language User Interface.

Actually, http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp, according to this, 6, 8, 10, and 14 are correct. And (I may still be wrong), I could swear that 12 is correct.

And according to info I got from http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :
13 is correct as well.

Other features in Pro not in Home.
-Dynamic Disk support.
-Roaming Profiles (yes, I know that is for a domain, but the point is still there)
-Local Security Policy

So it turns out, the only one that I feel that I was wrong on were 9 and 11. The ones I have confirmed (that were in dispute) (and provided sites for) are 6, 8, 10, and 13

To recap:
1- Remote Desktop: Not disputed: Only on pro
2- Joining a Domain: Not disputed: Only on pro
3- File Encryption: Not disputed: Only on pro
4- Advanced Security Settings: Disputed: On home when in safe mode.
5- IIS: Not disputed: Only on pro
6- Multilanguage User Interface: Disputed: Only on pro. (Confirmed at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
7- Multiple Processors: Not disputed: Only on pro
8- Auto install, ... of programs: Disputed: Only on pro. (Confirmed at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
9- Smart Card Support: Disputed: On home as well
10- Offline Files and Folders: Disputed: Only on pro. (Confirmed at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp and a few other sites)
11- Wireless Network: Disputed: On home as well
12- Unattended Install: Disputed: Can not confirm if you are correct, please provide a site.
13- Sysprep Tool: Disputed: Only on pro. (Confirmed at http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp)
14- Remote Install: Disputed: Only on pro. (Confirmed at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
15- Group Policy Not disputed: Only on pro (as to your point, I use group policy for some things, and I'm not on a domain)

So let's see, you originally said that there was not more than 6 differences. I count (including the extra ones I found) ... 14 Differences! Of course some are bigger than others, but it only takes a few (talking from personal experience, and other people's opinions), to make a home user want pro.

"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message ...
> Nope. ;-)
>
> Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.
>
> ...inline..
>
>
> --
> Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> http://www.dts-l.org
> http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
>
>
> "PaulC" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Such as?
> > >
> > > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one
> hand.
> > > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> > Less than 6 eh?
> > 1) Remote Desktop
>
> OK. I forgot this one.
>
> > 2) Joining a domain
>
> Yep.
>
> > 3) File Encryption
>
> Yep.
>
> > 4) Advanced Security Settings
>
> Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works perfectly fine
> in normal as well. ;-)
>
> > 5) IIS
>
> Yep.
>
> > 6) Multiple Languages
>
> From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input language on
> HE.
>
> > 7) Multiple Processors
>
> Yep.
>
> > 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 9) Smart Card Support
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 10) Offline Files and Folders
>
> Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road. ;-)
>
> > 11) Wireless Network
>
> Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
> HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.
>
> > 12) Unattended Install
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 13) System Prep tool
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 14) Remote Install
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 15) Group Policy
>
> Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?
>
> >
>

[PaulC]

Oh name calling, a definite sign of a good argument.
And I receive many replies to my top posting posts.
"Ted" <"""""'"""""""> wrote in message
s.com...

"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
> So what. Many other users do it. I find it makes posts easier to read.
> There's no reason to have to scroll through stuff you've already read just
> to see the reply.

No, but most will not read your munged posts from doing so, you little turd!

[Walter Clayton]

Local policy support is in HE. There is no tool for it, but if you create
the registry entries they do in fact work. ;-)

As for most of the other items, a lot of sites, even MS, are thinking domain
centric. HE can and does support doing remote management via a number of
tools and methods outside of GPO, etc. Remote install is in fact possible
just by pushing the appropriate registry entries and creating the script. No
large deal as long as you understand the process. Again, this is an instance
where people are hung up on "domain". IT folks forget that there was a world
prior to domains and those tools and methodologies are still just as viable
today as they were then.

Gotta admit, I had a different POV on off-line files. I don't use that
feature on my Pro box since that's my main machine and server anyway. I
intentionally push data back and forth between my machines for backup as
well as portability. However, off line network files are of debatable use
and if the files are large can saturate a network in a hurry. Problem is
that if the data is shared, a server goes boom, there are synchronization
issues if some else grabs the data or needs it.

I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Paul T. BTW at WinSuperSite. He's still of
the opinion that clear type has no use on CRTs. ;-)

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp


"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
Well, as to #6 (Multiple Languages), I meant by that a Multi-Language User
Interface.

Actually, http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp,
according to this, 6, 8, 10, and 14 are correct. And (I may still be
wrong), I could swear that 12 is correct.

And according to info I got from
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :
13 is correct as well.

Other features in Pro not in Home.
-Dynamic Disk support.
-Roaming Profiles (yes, I know that is for a domain, but the point is still
there)
-Local Security Policy

So it turns out, the only one that I feel that I was wrong on were 9 and 11.
The ones I have confirmed (that were in dispute) (and provided sites for)
are 6, 8, 10, and 13

To recap:
1- Remote Desktop: Not disputed: Only on pro
2- Joining a Domain: Not disputed: Only on pro
3- File Encryption: Not disputed: Only on pro
4- Advanced Security Settings: Disputed: On home when in safe
mode.
5- IIS: Not disputed: Only on
pro
6- Multilanguage User Interface: Disputed: Only on pro. (Confirmed
at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
7- Multiple Processors: Not disputed: Only on pro
8- Auto install, ... of programs: Disputed: Only on pro.
(Confirmed at
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
9- Smart Card Support: Disputed: On home as well
10- Offline Files and Folders: Disputed: Only on pro.
(Confirmed at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
and a few other sites)
11- Wireless Network: Disputed: On home as well
12- Unattended Install: Disputed: Can not confirm if
you are correct, please provide a site.
13- Sysprep Tool: Disputed: Only on pro.
(Confirmed at http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp)
14- Remote Install: Disputed: Only on pro.
(Confirmed at
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
15- Group Policy Not disputed: Only on pro
(as to your point, I use group policy for some things, and I'm not on a
domain)

So let's see, you originally said that there was not more than 6
differences. I count (including the extra ones I found) ... 14 Differences!
Of course some are bigger than others, but it only takes a few (talking from
personal experience, and other people's opinions), to make a home user want
pro.

"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
...
> Nope. ;-)
>
> Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.
>
> ...inline..
>
>
> --
> Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> http://www.dts-l.org
> http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
>
>
> "PaulC" > wrote in message
> ...
> >
> > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Such as?
> > >
> > > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one
> hand.
> > > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> > Less than 6 eh?
> > 1) Remote Desktop
>
> OK. I forgot this one.
>
> > 2) Joining a domain
>
> Yep.
>
> > 3) File Encryption
>
> Yep.
>
> > 4) Advanced Security Settings
>
> Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works perfectly fine
> in normal as well. ;-)
>
> > 5) IIS
>
> Yep.
>
> > 6) Multiple Languages
>
> From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input language on
> HE.
>
> > 7) Multiple Processors
>
> Yep.
>
> > 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 9) Smart Card Support
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 10) Offline Files and Folders
>
> Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road. ;-)
>
> > 11) Wireless Network
>
> Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
> HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.
>
> > 12) Unattended Install
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 13) System Prep tool
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 14) Remote Install
>
> Wrong.
>
> > 15) Group Policy
>
> Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?
>
> >
>

[PaulC]

Well of course! You can do almost any thing with scripting and reg editing.
But today's world is GUI, and probably only ITs know how to do what your
talking about.
"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
...
> Local policy support is in HE. There is no tool for it, but if you create
> the registry entries they do in fact work. ;-)
>
> As for most of the other items, a lot of sites, even MS, are thinking
domain
> centric. HE can and does support doing remote management via a number of
> tools and methods outside of GPO, etc. Remote install is in fact possible
> just by pushing the appropriate registry entries and creating the script.
No
> large deal as long as you understand the process. Again, this is an
instance
> where people are hung up on "domain". IT folks forget that there was a
world
> prior to domains and those tools and methodologies are still just as
viable
> today as they were then.
>
> Gotta admit, I had a different POV on off-line files. I don't use that
> feature on my Pro box since that's my main machine and server anyway. I
> intentionally push data back and forth between my machines for backup as
> well as portability. However, off line network files are of debatable use
> and if the files are large can saturate a network in a hurry. Problem is
> that if the data is shared, a server goes boom, there are synchronization
> issues if some else grabs the data or needs it.
>
> I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Paul T. BTW at WinSuperSite. He's still
of
> the opinion that clear type has no use on CRTs. ;-)
>
> --
> Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> http://www.dts-l.org
> http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
>
>
> "PaulC" > wrote in message
> ...
> Well, as to #6 (Multiple Languages), I meant by that a Multi-Language User
> Interface.
>
> Actually, http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp,
> according to this, 6, 8, 10, and 14 are correct. And (I may still be
> wrong), I could swear that 12 is correct.
>
> And according to info I got from
> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :
> 13 is correct as well.
>
> Other features in Pro not in Home.
> -Dynamic Disk support.
> -Roaming Profiles (yes, I know that is for a domain, but the point is
still
> there)
> -Local Security Policy
>
> So it turns out, the only one that I feel that I was wrong on were 9 and
11.
> The ones I have confirmed (that were in dispute) (and provided sites for)
> are 6, 8, 10, and 13
>
> To recap:
> 1- Remote Desktop: Not disputed: Only on pro
> 2- Joining a Domain: Not disputed: Only on pro
> 3- File Encryption: Not disputed: Only on pro
> 4- Advanced Security Settings: Disputed: On home when in safe
> mode.
> 5- IIS: Not disputed: Only
on
> pro
> 6- Multilanguage User Interface: Disputed: Only on pro.
(Confirmed
> at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> 7- Multiple Processors: Not disputed: Only on pro
> 8- Auto install, ... of programs: Disputed: Only on pro.
> (Confirmed at
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> 9- Smart Card Support: Disputed: On home as well
> 10- Offline Files and Folders: Disputed: Only on pro.
> (Confirmed at
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
> and a few other sites)
> 11- Wireless Network: Disputed: On home as well
> 12- Unattended Install: Disputed: Can not confirm
if
> you are correct, please provide a site.
> 13- Sysprep Tool: Disputed: Only on pro.
> (Confirmed at http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp)
> 14- Remote Install: Disputed: Only on pro.
> (Confirmed at
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> 15- Group Policy Not disputed: Only on pro
> (as to your point, I use group policy for some things, and I'm not on a
> domain)
>
> So let's see, you originally said that there was not more than 6
> differences. I count (including the extra ones I found) ... 14
Differences!
> Of course some are bigger than others, but it only takes a few (talking
from
> personal experience, and other people's opinions), to make a home user
want
> pro.
>
> "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Nope. ;-)
> >
> > Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.
> >
> > ...inline..
> >
> >
> > --
> > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> > http://www.dts-l.org
> > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> >
> >
> > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > >
> > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Such as?
> > > >
> > > > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on one
> > hand.
> > > > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> > > Less than 6 eh?
> > > 1) Remote Desktop
> >
> > OK. I forgot this one.
> >
> > > 2) Joining a domain
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> > > 3) File Encryption
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> > > 4) Advanced Security Settings
> >
> > Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works perfectly
fine
> > in normal as well. ;-)
> >
> > > 5) IIS
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> > > 6) Multiple Languages
> >
> > From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input language
on
> > HE.
> >
> > > 7) Multiple Processors
> >
> > Yep.
> >
> > > 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > > 9) Smart Card Support
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > > 10) Offline Files and Folders
> >
> > Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road. ;-)
> >
> > > 11) Wireless Network
> >
> > Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
> > HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.
> >
> > > 12) Unattended Install
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > > 13) System Prep tool
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > > 14) Remote Install
> >
> > Wrong.
> >
> > > 15) Group Policy
> >
> > Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?
> >
> > >
> >
>

[Walter Clayton]

And who do think manages the machines in a managed environment?

Today's world is still command line oriented when you get down to managing
platforms. Any sys or network admin that can not handle command line and
scripting is in the wrong job. The simple fact of the matter is that GUI
management of any platform isn't there yet. It's getting close, but you'd be
amazed at how much command line and scripting I do. And that for the simple
reason that there is no push button "thingie" available.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp


"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
> Well of course! You can do almost any thing with scripting and reg
editing.
> But today's world is GUI, and probably only ITs know how to do what your
> talking about.
> "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Local policy support is in HE. There is no tool for it, but if you
create
> > the registry entries they do in fact work. ;-)
> >
> > As for most of the other items, a lot of sites, even MS, are thinking
> domain
> > centric. HE can and does support doing remote management via a number of
> > tools and methods outside of GPO, etc. Remote install is in fact
possible
> > just by pushing the appropriate registry entries and creating the
script.
> No
> > large deal as long as you understand the process. Again, this is an
> instance
> > where people are hung up on "domain". IT folks forget that there was a
> world
> > prior to domains and those tools and methodologies are still just as
> viable
> > today as they were then.
> >
> > Gotta admit, I had a different POV on off-line files. I don't use that
> > feature on my Pro box since that's my main machine and server anyway. I
> > intentionally push data back and forth between my machines for backup as
> > well as portability. However, off line network files are of debatable
use
> > and if the files are large can saturate a network in a hurry. Problem is
> > that if the data is shared, a server goes boom, there are
synchronization
> > issues if some else grabs the data or needs it.
> >
> > I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Paul T. BTW at WinSuperSite. He's still
> of
> > the opinion that clear type has no use on CRTs. ;-)
> >
> > --
> > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> > http://www.dts-l.org
> > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> >
> >
> > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > Well, as to #6 (Multiple Languages), I meant by that a Multi-Language
User
> > Interface.
> >
> > Actually,
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp,
> > according to this, 6, 8, 10, and 14 are correct. And (I may still be
> > wrong), I could swear that 12 is correct.
> >
> > And according to info I got from
> > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :
> > 13 is correct as well.
> >
> > Other features in Pro not in Home.
> > -Dynamic Disk support.
> > -Roaming Profiles (yes, I know that is for a domain, but the point is
> still
> > there)
> > -Local Security Policy
> >
> > So it turns out, the only one that I feel that I was wrong on were 9 and
> 11.
> > The ones I have confirmed (that were in dispute) (and provided sites
for)
> > are 6, 8, 10, and 13
> >
> > To recap:
> > 1- Remote Desktop: Not disputed: Only on pro
> > 2- Joining a Domain: Not disputed: Only on pro
> > 3- File Encryption: Not disputed: Only on
pro
> > 4- Advanced Security Settings: Disputed: On home when in
safe
> > mode.
> > 5- IIS: Not disputed:
Only
> on
> > pro
> > 6- Multilanguage User Interface: Disputed: Only on pro.
> (Confirmed
> > at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > 7- Multiple Processors: Not disputed: Only on pro
> > 8- Auto install, ... of programs: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > (Confirmed at
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > 9- Smart Card Support: Disputed: On home as well
> > 10- Offline Files and Folders: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > (Confirmed at
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
> > and a few other sites)
> > 11- Wireless Network: Disputed: On home as well
> > 12- Unattended Install: Disputed: Can not
confirm
> if
> > you are correct, please provide a site.
> > 13- Sysprep Tool: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > (Confirmed at
http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp)
> > 14- Remote Install: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > (Confirmed at
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > 15- Group Policy Not disputed: Only on
pro
> > (as to your point, I use group policy for some things, and I'm not on a
> > domain)
> >
> > So let's see, you originally said that there was not more than 6
> > differences. I count (including the extra ones I found) ... 14
> Differences!
> > Of course some are bigger than others, but it only takes a few (talking
> from
> > personal experience, and other people's opinions), to make a home user
> want
> > pro.
> >
> > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Nope. ;-)
> > >
> > > Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.
> > >
> > > ...inline..
> > >
> > >
> > > --
> > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > >
> > > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Such as?
> > > > >
> > > > > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on
one
> > > hand.
> > > > > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> > > > Less than 6 eh?
> > > > 1) Remote Desktop
> > >
> > > OK. I forgot this one.
> > >
> > > > 2) Joining a domain
> > >
> > > Yep.
> > >
> > > > 3) File Encryption
> > >
> > > Yep.
> > >
> > > > 4) Advanced Security Settings
> > >
> > > Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works perfectly
> fine
> > > in normal as well. ;-)
> > >
> > > > 5) IIS
> > >
> > > Yep.
> > >
> > > > 6) Multiple Languages
> > >
> > > From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input language
> on
> > > HE.
> > >
> > > > 7) Multiple Processors
> > >
> > > Yep.
> > >
> > > > 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > > 9) Smart Card Support
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > > 10) Offline Files and Folders
> > >
> > > Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road. ;-)
> > >
> > > > 11) Wireless Network
> > >
> > > Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
> > > HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.
> > >
> > > > 12) Unattended Install
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > > 13) System Prep tool
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > > 14) Remote Install
> > >
> > > Wrong.
> > >
> > > > 15) Group Policy
> > >
> > > Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?
> > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[PaulC]

But do you think the majority of NG users are ITs, or regular users?
My posts are written so that a regular user can get help from it. Yes, I'm
sure there are many ways to do things in command line that I say you can't
do, but I'm talking mostly about GUI, which most users only know how to use.
Of course, any extra help you provide, I'm sure the OP appreciates.
"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
...
> And who do think manages the machines in a managed environment?
>
> Today's world is still command line oriented when you get down to managing
> platforms. Any sys or network admin that can not handle command line and
> scripting is in the wrong job. The simple fact of the matter is that GUI
> management of any platform isn't there yet. It's getting close, but you'd
be
> amazed at how much command line and scripting I do. And that for the
simple
> reason that there is no push button "thingie" available.
>
> --
> Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> http://www.dts-l.org
> http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
>
>
> "PaulC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > Well of course! You can do almost any thing with scripting and reg
> editing.
> > But today's world is GUI, and probably only ITs know how to do what your
> > talking about.
> > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Local policy support is in HE. There is no tool for it, but if you
> create
> > > the registry entries they do in fact work. ;-)
> > >
> > > As for most of the other items, a lot of sites, even MS, are thinking
> > domain
> > > centric. HE can and does support doing remote management via a number
of
> > > tools and methods outside of GPO, etc. Remote install is in fact
> possible
> > > just by pushing the appropriate registry entries and creating the
> script.
> > No
> > > large deal as long as you understand the process. Again, this is an
> > instance
> > > where people are hung up on "domain". IT folks forget that there was a
> > world
> > > prior to domains and those tools and methodologies are still just as
> > viable
> > > today as they were then.
> > >
> > > Gotta admit, I had a different POV on off-line files. I don't use that
> > > feature on my Pro box since that's my main machine and server anyway.
I
> > > intentionally push data back and forth between my machines for backup
as
> > > well as portability. However, off line network files are of debatable
> use
> > > and if the files are large can saturate a network in a hurry. Problem
is
> > > that if the data is shared, a server goes boom, there are
> synchronization
> > > issues if some else grabs the data or needs it.
> > >
> > > I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Paul T. BTW at WinSuperSite. He's
still
> > of
> > > the opinion that clear type has no use on CRTs. ;-)
> > >
> > > --
> > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > Well, as to #6 (Multiple Languages), I meant by that a Multi-Language
> User
> > > Interface.
> > >
> > > Actually,
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp,
> > > according to this, 6, 8, 10, and 14 are correct. And (I may still be
> > > wrong), I could swear that 12 is correct.
> > >
> > > And according to info I got from
> > > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :
> > > 13 is correct as well.
> > >
> > > Other features in Pro not in Home.
> > > -Dynamic Disk support.
> > > -Roaming Profiles (yes, I know that is for a domain, but the point is
> > still
> > > there)
> > > -Local Security Policy
> > >
> > > So it turns out, the only one that I feel that I was wrong on were 9
and
> > 11.
> > > The ones I have confirmed (that were in dispute) (and provided sites
> for)
> > > are 6, 8, 10, and 13
> > >
> > > To recap:
> > > 1- Remote Desktop: Not disputed: Only on pro
> > > 2- Joining a Domain: Not disputed: Only on
pro
> > > 3- File Encryption: Not disputed: Only on
> pro
> > > 4- Advanced Security Settings: Disputed: On home when in
> safe
> > > mode.
> > > 5- IIS: Not disputed:
> Only
> > on
> > > pro
> > > 6- Multilanguage User Interface: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > (Confirmed
> > > at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > 7- Multiple Processors: Not disputed: Only on
pro
> > > 8- Auto install, ... of programs: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > > (Confirmed at
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > 9- Smart Card Support: Disputed: On home as
well
> > > 10- Offline Files and Folders: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > > (Confirmed at
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
> > > and a few other sites)
> > > 11- Wireless Network: Disputed: On home as
well
> > > 12- Unattended Install: Disputed: Can not
> confirm
> > if
> > > you are correct, please provide a site.
> > > 13- Sysprep Tool: Disputed: Only on
pro.
> > > (Confirmed at
> http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp)
> > > 14- Remote Install: Disputed: Only on
pro.
> > > (Confirmed at
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > 15- Group Policy Not disputed: Only on
> pro
> > > (as to your point, I use group policy for some things, and I'm not on
a
> > > domain)
> > >
> > > So let's see, you originally said that there was not more than 6
> > > differences. I count (including the extra ones I found) ... 14
> > Differences!
> > > Of course some are bigger than others, but it only takes a few
(talking
> > from
> > > personal experience, and other people's opinions), to make a home user
> > want
> > > pro.
> > >
> > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Nope. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.
> > > >
> > > > ...inline..
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
> > > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > >
> > > > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Such as?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb) on
> one
> > > > hand.
> > > > > > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> > > > > Less than 6 eh?
> > > > > 1) Remote Desktop
> > > >
> > > > OK. I forgot this one.
> > > >
> > > > > 2) Joining a domain
> > > >
> > > > Yep.
> > > >
> > > > > 3) File Encryption
> > > >
> > > > Yep.
> > > >
> > > > > 4) Advanced Security Settings
> > > >
> > > > Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works
perfectly
> > fine
> > > > in normal as well. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > > 5) IIS
> > > >
> > > > Yep.
> > > >
> > > > > 6) Multiple Languages
> > > >
> > > > From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input
language
> > on
> > > > HE.
> > > >
> > > > > 7) Multiple Processors
> > > >
> > > > Yep.
> > > >
> > > > > 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > > 9) Smart Card Support
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > > 10) Offline Files and Folders
> > > >
> > > > Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > > 11) Wireless Network
> > > >
> > > > Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
> > > > HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.
> > > >
> > > > > 12) Unattended Install
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > > 13) System Prep tool
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > > 14) Remote Install
> > > >
> > > > Wrong.
> > > >
> > > > > 15) Group Policy
> > > >
> > > > Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?
> > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>

[Walter Clayton]

The capability of people that come here is mixed. Actually more tech heavy
than not for the simple reason they're here. Most people that are interested
solely in pushing buttons don't make it this far when things go splat or
don't work as expected. The latter tend to call in some one else.

--
Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
Associate Expert
http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
http://www.dts-l.org
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp


"PaulC" > wrote in message
...
> But do you think the majority of NG users are ITs, or regular users?
> My posts are written so that a regular user can get help from it. Yes,
I'm
> sure there are many ways to do things in command line that I say you can't
> do, but I'm talking mostly about GUI, which most users only know how to
use.
> Of course, any extra help you provide, I'm sure the OP appreciates.
> "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> ...
> > And who do think manages the machines in a managed environment?
> >
> > Today's world is still command line oriented when you get down to
managing
> > platforms. Any sys or network admin that can not handle command line and
> > scripting is in the wrong job. The simple fact of the matter is that GUI
> > management of any platform isn't there yet. It's getting close, but
you'd
> be
> > amazed at how much command line and scripting I do. And that for the
> simple
> > reason that there is no push button "thingie" available.
> >
> > --
> > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > Associate Expert
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> > http://www.dts-l.org
> > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> >
> >
> > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > Well of course! You can do almost any thing with scripting and reg
> > editing.
> > > But today's world is GUI, and probably only ITs know how to do what
your
> > > talking about.
> > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Local policy support is in HE. There is no tool for it, but if you
> > create
> > > > the registry entries they do in fact work. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > As for most of the other items, a lot of sites, even MS, are
thinking
> > > domain
> > > > centric. HE can and does support doing remote management via a
number
> of
> > > > tools and methods outside of GPO, etc. Remote install is in fact
> > possible
> > > > just by pushing the appropriate registry entries and creating the
> > script.
> > > No
> > > > large deal as long as you understand the process. Again, this is an
> > > instance
> > > > where people are hung up on "domain". IT folks forget that there was
a
> > > world
> > > > prior to domains and those tools and methodologies are still just as
> > > viable
> > > > today as they were then.
> > > >
> > > > Gotta admit, I had a different POV on off-line files. I don't use
that
> > > > feature on my Pro box since that's my main machine and server
anyway.
> I
> > > > intentionally push data back and forth between my machines for
backup
> as
> > > > well as portability. However, off line network files are of
debatable
> > use
> > > > and if the files are large can saturate a network in a hurry.
Problem
> is
> > > > that if the data is shared, a server goes boom, there are
> > synchronization
> > > > issues if some else grabs the data or needs it.
> > > >
> > > > I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Paul T. BTW at WinSuperSite. He's
> still
> > > of
> > > > the opinion that clear type has no use on CRTs. ;-)
> > > >
> > > > --
> > > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > > Associate Expert
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
advanced.
> > > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > > >
> > > >
> > > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > Well, as to #6 (Multiple Languages), I meant by that a
Multi-Language
> > User
> > > > Interface.
> > > >
> > > > Actually,
> > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp,
> > > > according to this, 6, 8, 10, and 14 are correct. And (I may still
be
> > > > wrong), I could swear that 12 is correct.
> > > >
> > > > And according to info I got from
> > > > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :
> > > > 13 is correct as well.
> > > >
> > > > Other features in Pro not in Home.
> > > > -Dynamic Disk support.
> > > > -Roaming Profiles (yes, I know that is for a domain, but the point
is
> > > still
> > > > there)
> > > > -Local Security Policy
> > > >
> > > > So it turns out, the only one that I feel that I was wrong on were 9
> and
> > > 11.
> > > > The ones I have confirmed (that were in dispute) (and provided sites
> > for)
> > > > are 6, 8, 10, and 13
> > > >
> > > > To recap:
> > > > 1- Remote Desktop: Not disputed: Only on
pro
> > > > 2- Joining a Domain: Not disputed: Only on
> pro
> > > > 3- File Encryption: Not disputed: Only
on
> > pro
> > > > 4- Advanced Security Settings: Disputed: On home when in
> > safe
> > > > mode.
> > > > 5- IIS: Not disputed:
> > Only
> > > on
> > > > pro
> > > > 6- Multilanguage User Interface: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > > (Confirmed
> > > > at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > > 7- Multiple Processors: Not disputed: Only on
> pro
> > > > 8- Auto install, ... of programs: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > > > (Confirmed at
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > > 9- Smart Card Support: Disputed: On home as
> well
> > > > 10- Offline Files and Folders: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > > > (Confirmed at
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
> > > > and a few other sites)
> > > > 11- Wireless Network: Disputed: On home as
> well
> > > > 12- Unattended Install: Disputed: Can not
> > confirm
> > > if
> > > > you are correct, please provide a site.
> > > > 13- Sysprep Tool: Disputed: Only on
> pro.
> > > > (Confirmed at
> > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp)
> > > > 14- Remote Install: Disputed: Only on
> pro.
> > > > (Confirmed at
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > > 15- Group Policy Not disputed: Only
on
> > pro
> > > > (as to your point, I use group policy for some things, and I'm not
on
> a
> > > > domain)
> > > >
> > > > So let's see, you originally said that there was not more than 6
> > > > differences. I count (including the extra ones I found) ... 14
> > > Differences!
> > > > Of course some are bigger than others, but it only takes a few
> (talking
> > > from
> > > > personal experience, and other people's opinions), to make a home
user
> > > want
> > > > pro.
> > > >
> > > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Nope. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.
> > > > >
> > > > > ...inline..
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
> advanced.
> > > > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > Such as?
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and thumb)
on
> > one
> > > > > hand.
> > > > > > > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> > > > > > Less than 6 eh?
> > > > > > 1) Remote Desktop
> > > > >
> > > > > OK. I forgot this one.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 2) Joining a domain
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 3) File Encryption
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 4) Advanced Security Settings
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works
> perfectly
> > > fine
> > > > > in normal as well. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > 5) IIS
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 6) Multiple Languages
> > > > >
> > > > > From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input
> language
> > > on
> > > > > HE.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 7) Multiple Processors
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 9) Smart Card Support
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 10) Offline Files and Folders
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > > 11) Wireless Network
> > > > >
> > > > > Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
> > > > > HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 12) Unattended Install
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 13) System Prep tool
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 14) Remote Install
> > > > >
> > > > > Wrong.
> > > > >
> > > > > > 15) Group Policy
> > > > >
> > > > > Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?
> > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > >
> > >
> >
>
>

[PaulC]

Well, considering most posts are about errors and other issues, (and if you
read them you can tell if they're an IT), I disagree.
"Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
...
> The capability of people that come here is mixed. Actually more tech heavy
> than not for the simple reason they're here. Most people that are
interested
> solely in pushing buttons don't make it this far when things go splat or
> don't work as expected. The latter tend to call in some one else.
>
> --
> Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> Associate Expert
> http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> http://www.dts-l.org
> http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
>
>
> "PaulC" > wrote in message
> ...
> > But do you think the majority of NG users are ITs, or regular users?
> > My posts are written so that a regular user can get help from it. Yes,
> I'm
> > sure there are many ways to do things in command line that I say you
can't
> > do, but I'm talking mostly about GUI, which most users only know how to
> use.
> > Of course, any extra help you provide, I'm sure the OP appreciates.
> > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > ...
> > > And who do think manages the machines in a managed environment?
> > >
> > > Today's world is still command line oriented when you get down to
> managing
> > > platforms. Any sys or network admin that can not handle command line
and
> > > scripting is in the wrong job. The simple fact of the matter is that
GUI
> > > management of any platform isn't there yet. It's getting close, but
> you'd
> > be
> > > amazed at how much command line and scripting I do. And that for the
> > simple
> > > reason that there is no push button "thingie" available.
> > >
> > > --
> > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > Associate Expert
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently advanced.
> > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > >
> > >
> > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > ...
> > > > Well of course! You can do almost any thing with scripting and reg
> > > editing.
> > > > But today's world is GUI, and probably only ITs know how to do what
> your
> > > > talking about.
> > > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > > ...
> > > > > Local policy support is in HE. There is no tool for it, but if you
> > > create
> > > > > the registry entries they do in fact work. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > As for most of the other items, a lot of sites, even MS, are
> thinking
> > > > domain
> > > > > centric. HE can and does support doing remote management via a
> number
> > of
> > > > > tools and methods outside of GPO, etc. Remote install is in fact
> > > possible
> > > > > just by pushing the appropriate registry entries and creating the
> > > script.
> > > > No
> > > > > large deal as long as you understand the process. Again, this is
an
> > > > instance
> > > > > where people are hung up on "domain". IT folks forget that there
was
> a
> > > > world
> > > > > prior to domains and those tools and methodologies are still just
as
> > > > viable
> > > > > today as they were then.
> > > > >
> > > > > Gotta admit, I had a different POV on off-line files. I don't use
> that
> > > > > feature on my Pro box since that's my main machine and server
> anyway.
> > I
> > > > > intentionally push data back and forth between my machines for
> backup
> > as
> > > > > well as portability. However, off line network files are of
> debatable
> > > use
> > > > > and if the files are large can saturate a network in a hurry.
> Problem
> > is
> > > > > that if the data is shared, a server goes boom, there are
> > > synchronization
> > > > > issues if some else grabs the data or needs it.
> > > > >
> > > > > I wouldn't put a lot of stock in Paul T. BTW at WinSuperSite. He's
> > still
> > > > of
> > > > > the opinion that clear type has no use on CRTs. ;-)
> > > > >
> > > > > --
> > > > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
> advanced.
> > > > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > > > http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > > > >
> > > > >
> > > > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > Well, as to #6 (Multiple Languages), I meant by that a
> Multi-Language
> > > User
> > > > > Interface.
> > > > >
> > > > > Actually,
> > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp,
> > > > > according to this, 6, 8, 10, and 14 are correct. And (I may still
> be
> > > > > wrong), I could swear that 12 is correct.
> > > > >
> > > > > And according to info I got from
> > > > > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp :
> > > > > 13 is correct as well.
> > > > >
> > > > > Other features in Pro not in Home.
> > > > > -Dynamic Disk support.
> > > > > -Roaming Profiles (yes, I know that is for a domain, but the point
> is
> > > > still
> > > > > there)
> > > > > -Local Security Policy
> > > > >
> > > > > So it turns out, the only one that I feel that I was wrong on were
9
> > and
> > > > 11.
> > > > > The ones I have confirmed (that were in dispute) (and provided
sites
> > > for)
> > > > > are 6, 8, 10, and 13
> > > > >
> > > > > To recap:
> > > > > 1- Remote Desktop: Not disputed: Only on
> pro
> > > > > 2- Joining a Domain: Not disputed: Only
on
> > pro
> > > > > 3- File Encryption: Not disputed:
Only
> on
> > > pro
> > > > > 4- Advanced Security Settings: Disputed: On home when
in
> > > safe
> > > > > mode.
> > > > > 5- IIS: Not disputed:
> > > Only
> > > > on
> > > > > pro
> > > > > 6- Multilanguage User Interface: Disputed: Only on pro.
> > > > (Confirmed
> > > > > at http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > > > 7- Multiple Processors: Not disputed: Only
on
> > pro
> > > > > 8- Auto install, ... of programs: Disputed: Only on
pro.
> > > > > (Confirmed at
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > > > 9- Smart Card Support: Disputed: On home as
> > well
> > > > > 10- Offline Files and Folders: Disputed: Only on
pro.
> > > > > (Confirmed at
> > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp
> > > > > and a few other sites)
> > > > > 11- Wireless Network: Disputed: On home
as
> > well
> > > > > 12- Unattended Install: Disputed: Can not
> > > confirm
> > > > if
> > > > > you are correct, please provide a site.
> > > > > 13- Sysprep Tool: Disputed: Only
on
> > pro.
> > > > > (Confirmed at
> > > http://www.winsupersite.com/showcase/windowsxp_home_pro.asp)
> > > > > 14- Remote Install: Disputed: Only
on
> > pro.
> > > > > (Confirmed at
> > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/home/howtobuy/choosing2.asp)
> > > > > 15- Group Policy Not disputed: Only
> on
> > > pro
> > > > > (as to your point, I use group policy for some things, and I'm not
> on
> > a
> > > > > domain)
> > > > >
> > > > > So let's see, you originally said that there was not more than 6
> > > > > differences. I count (including the extra ones I found) ... 14
> > > > Differences!
> > > > > Of course some are bigger than others, but it only takes a few
> > (talking
> > > > from
> > > > > personal experience, and other people's opinions), to make a home
> user
> > > > want
> > > > > pro.
> > > > >
> > > > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > > > ...
> > > > > > Nope. ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Quite a bit of what you listed is doable on HE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > ...inline..
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > --
> > > > > > Walter Clayton - MS MVP(WinXP)
> > > > > > Associate Expert
> > > > > > http://www.microsoft.com/windowsxp/expertzone
> > > > > > Any technology distinguishable from magic is insufficiently
> > advanced.
> > > > > > http://www.dts-l.org
> > > > > >
http://support.microsoft.com/servicedesks/fileversion/default.asp
> > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > > > "PaulC" > wrote in message
> > > > > > ...
> > > > > > >
> > > > > > > "Walter Clayton" > wrote in message
> > > > > > > ...
> > > > > > > > Such as?
> > > > > > > >
> > > > > > > > I can enumerate the differences using the fingers (and
thumb)
> on
> > > one
> > > > > > hand.
> > > > > > > > Which I guess is more than few, but less than 6.
> > > > > > > Less than 6 eh?
> > > > > > > 1) Remote Desktop
> > > > > >
> > > > > > OK. I forgot this one.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 2) Joining a domain
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 3) File Encryption
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 4) Advanced Security Settings
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong. Fire HE up in safe mode and take a look. Cacls works
> > perfectly
> > > > fine
> > > > > > in normal as well. ;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 5) IIS
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 6) Multiple Languages
> > > > > >
> > > > > > From what stand point? I can switch and use a different input
> > language
> > > > on
> > > > > > HE.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 7) Multiple Processors
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 8) Auto install, configure, remove and repair of programs.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 9) Smart Card Support
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 10) Offline Files and Folders
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong. I do it a lot on my HE laptop, especially on the road.
;-)
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 11) Wireless Network
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Thats a big huge wrong. ;-)
> > > > > > HE and wireless networking go hand in hand.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 12) Unattended Install
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 13) System Prep tool
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 14) Remote Install
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Wrong.
> > > > > >
> > > > > > > 15) Group Policy
> > > > > >
> > > > > > Yep. But when you're not on a domain, what's the point of GPO?
> > > > > >
> > > > > > >
> > > > > >
> > > > >
> > > >
> > > >
> > >
> >
> >
>