cant boot CRITICAL

[ajt]

my winxp home wont start up .

I am using my other pc and i have files i need on the pc that wont boot.
How can i create a bootable cd for winxp?

[Shenan Stanley]

ajt wrote:
> my winxp home wont start up .
>
> I am using my other pc and i have files i need on the pc that wont
> boot. How can i create a bootable cd for winxp?

Your Windows XP CD is bootable.
It may even be able to repair the issue.

You can also look into BartPE and/or the Ultimate Windows Boot CD.
Knoppix is another option.

Can you be more specific about your situation?
Like how you got to this point?
What you have tried?
What EXACT error messages you see?
Can you boot into safe mode?

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MS-MVP
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[ajt]

"Shenan Stanley" > wrote in message
...
> ajt wrote:
>> my winxp home wont start up .
>>
>> I am using my other pc and i have files i need on the pc that wont
>> boot. How can i create a bootable cd for winxp?
>
> Your Windows XP CD is bootable.
> It may even be able to repair the issue.
>
> You can also look into BartPE and/or the Ultimate Windows Boot CD.
> Knoppix is another option.
>
> Can you be more specific about your situation?
> Like how you got to this point?
> What you have tried?
> What EXACT error messages you see?
> Can you boot into safe mode?
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
the pc got to this point from refusing to load wihout dskchk. I kept on
doing this but it kept crashing with this so I skipped it all the time (past
2 days).
Now it just comes up with screen to boot from normal ,safe mode etc without
me pressing f1. From here it just continually restarts after pressing any
option.

This barts thing looks messy and i havent got a floppy drive on this pc just
cd/dvd and nero of course.
I keep trying to find an iso image for winxp , I am confused as to how to
create a bootable cd.
I will try winxp original.

[ajt]

"Shenan Stanley" > wrote in message
...
> ajt wrote:
>> my winxp home wont start up .
>>
>> I am using my other pc and i have files i need on the pc that wont
>> boot. How can i create a bootable cd for winxp?
>
> Your Windows XP CD is bootable.
> It may even be able to repair the issue.
>
> You can also look into BartPE and/or the Ultimate Windows Boot CD.
> Knoppix is another option.
>
> Can you be more specific about your situation?
> Like how you got to this point?
> What you have tried?
> What EXACT error messages you see?
> Can you boot into safe mode?
>
> --
> Shenan Stanley
> MS-MVP
> --
> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>

I have data on my PC I need to access so I want to just boot up but I can't.
I put winxp cd in and the R option just goes to a c:/ prompt.

WHAT BLOODY GOOD IS THIS!
NO I AM PANICKING because i can't boot and I have no idea how to boot up
again.
If I reinstall without formatting will I lose my data?

Why is information on this complicated!

[jagguy]

"ajt" > wrote in message
u...
>
> "Shenan Stanley" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ajt wrote:
>>> my winxp home wont start up .
>>>
>>> I am using my other pc and i have files i need on the pc that wont
>>> boot. How can i create a bootable cd for winxp?
>>
>> Your Windows XP CD is bootable.
>> It may even be able to repair the issue.
>>
>> You can also look into BartPE and/or the Ultimate Windows Boot CD.
>> Knoppix is another option.
>>
>> Can you be more specific about your situation?
>> Like how you got to this point?
>> What you have tried?
>> What EXACT error messages you see?
>> Can you boot into safe mode?
>>
>> --
>> Shenan Stanley
>> MS-MVP
>> --
>> How To Ask Questions The Smart Way
>> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>>
>
> I have data on my PC I need to access so I want to just boot up but I
> can't.
> I put winxp cd in and the R option just goes to a c:/ prompt.
>
> WHAT BLOODY GOOD IS THIS!
> NO I AM PANICKING because i can't boot and I have no idea how to boot up
> again.
> If I reinstall without formatting will I lose my data?
>
> Why is information on this complicated!
>

Unbeliavable.

I have already run chkdsk from c: but i didn't use the /f

Now it works properly though AMAZING.

Should I run chkdsk again with /f and what does chkdsk do exactly ?

The problem got worse i remember (and failed to boot at all)after i ran
eusing free registry cleaner and MS malaware scan.

[Malke]

ajt wrote:
>
> I have data on my PC I need to access so I want to just boot up but I
> can't. I put winxp cd in and the R option just goes to a c:/ prompt.
>
> WHAT BLOODY GOOD IS THIS!
> NO I AM PANICKING because i can't boot and I have no idea how to boot
> up again.
> If I reinstall without formatting will I lose my data?
>
> Why is information on this complicated!

Please do not panic. Your data is probably fine. Even if your hard drive
is physically damaged, the data can probably be retrieved - although
not without considerable expense. Do nothing - including a Repair
Install - until you retrieve your data. I'll give you various ways to
do it but they all require having another computer, some equipment, and
some computer skill. To answer your last sentence - computers are
extremely powerful and complicated machines. Sometimes fixing them is
also complicated. If you don't have the skill to do what is necessary -
and only you know the answer to that - then take the machine to a
professional computer repair shop with experience in data recovery.
This will not be your local version of BigStoreUSA.

Here two sections on recovery your data, one for an undamaged hard drive
and one for a damaged hard drive. From reading one of your posts, I
would say there is a good chance your hard drive is damaged but there's
no way for me to be sure. You were pretty skimpy on the details.

A. From a physically viable hard drive:

1. Pull the drive and slave it in a computer running a working install
of XP. Depending on the target drive's characteristics, you may need a
drive adapter; i.e., laptop-to-IDE or a SATA controller card, etc. A
usb/firewire external drive enclosure works very well, too. Use the
working Windows Explorer to copy the data to the rescue system's hard
drive and then burn the data to cd or dvd.

2. Often XP will not boot with a slaved drive that has a damaged file
system. In that case, boot the target computer with either a Bart's PE
or a Linux live cd such as Knoppix and retrieve the data that way. Here
is general information on using Knoppix for this:

You will need a computer with two cd drives, one of which is a cd/dvd-rw
OR a usb thumb drive with enough capacity to hold your data OR an
external usb/firewire hard drive formatted FAT32 (not NTFS). To get
Knoppix, you need a computer with a fast Internet connection and
third-party burning software. Download the Knoppix .iso and create your
bootable cd. Then boot with it and it will be able to see the Windows
files. If you are using the usb thumb drive or the external hard drive,
right-click on its icon (on the Desktop) to get its properties and
uncheck the box that says "Read Only". Then click on it to open it.
Note that the default mouse action in the window manager used by
Knoppix (KDE) is a single click to open instead of the traditional MS
Windows' double-click. Otherwise, use the K3b burning program to burn
the files to cd/dvd-r's.

http://www.knoppix.net
http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ - Bart's PE Builder

B. From a physically damaged hard drive:

*IMPORTANT* - If there is any question that the drive is at fault - it's
making noises for instance - and the data is crucial DO NOTHING FURTHER
ON THE DRIVE. Every time you spin that drive up you may be destroying
data. If this is the case, send the drive to a professional data
recovery company like Drive Savers (my preference) or Seagate Data
Recovery. General prices run from $500USD on up. Drive Savers recovered
all the data on a failed laptop drive for one of my clients and it cost
$2,700. He thought it was worth the money; only you know what your data
is worth. I understand that some insurance companies are now covering
data recovery charges under "Loss of Intellectual Property" so check
with yours.

Drive Savers - http://www.drivesavers.com
Seagate Data Recovery Services - https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

[Dave B.]

And this didn't suggest to you that your PC might be developing a problem?
You had 2 days to back up your data after this started happening, you didn't
and just ignored the problem, and now your wigging out because you didn't
heed the warning signs.
I would recommend a good repair shop.

"ajt" > wrote in message
...

> the pc got to this point from refusing to load wihout dskchk. I kept on
> doing this but it kept crashing with this so I skipped it all the time
> (past 2 days).

[Bob Harris]

If you have an XP CDROM, it is bootable and you can run something called the "recovery console", which can help you fix a limited class of problems. From example, you can run CHKDSK from the recovery console (use /R option). For more info on how to start the recovery console see these links:

http://www.wown.com/j_helmig/wxprcons.htm

http://www.xxcopy.com/xxcopy33.htm (near bottom)

http://www.kellys-korner-xp.com/win_xp_rec.htm

But, be aware that the recovery console requires a "login", and unless you built the PC you may not know the correct administrator password. If the question arises, try just hitting return, meaning a blank password.

My favorite option for getting files off of a PC is KNOPPIX. Others have mentioned this, and it is really great as well as free. However, the small version is about 700 Meg, so you need a PC (any PC) with a high-spoeed connection. You will also need CD buring software like Nero or Easy CD Creator, which have options like "burn from image". Do not try to drag&drag the KNOPPIX ISO onto a CD. That will not result in a bootable CD.

If necessary, change the boot order via your BIOS setup (below Windows mode) to boot first from CD, then from hard drive. However, hope that this is already the default and just try booting from the KNOPPIX CD.

KNOPPIX supports USB 2.0 and firewire, and has its own equivalent of Windows Explorer called A4, so copying files off of the PC is easy. KNOPPIX may also come with CD buning software, but I have not investigated that possibility. If you decide to copy to an external device, I recommend that you attach it to the PC before booting into KNOPPIX, to be sure that it is recognized.

By default KNOPPIX will not write to internal hard drives. You can change that with a right-click, but do not do so unless you have a good reason.



"ajt" > wrote in message u...
> my winxp home wont start up .
>
> I am using my other pc and i have files i need on the pc that wont boot.
> How can i create a bootable cd for winxp?
>
>

[Ayush]

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[jagguy]

"Malke" > wrote in message
...
> ajt wrote:
>>
>> I have data on my PC I need to access so I want to just boot up but I
>> can't. I put winxp cd in and the R option just goes to a c:/ prompt.
>>
>> WHAT BLOODY GOOD IS THIS!
>> NO I AM PANICKING because i can't boot and I have no idea how to boot
>> up again.
>> If I reinstall without formatting will I lose my data?
>>
>> Why is information on this complicated!
>
> Please do not panic. Your data is probably fine. Even if your hard drive
> is physically damaged, the data can probably be retrieved - although
> not without considerable expense. Do nothing - including a Repair
> Install - until you retrieve your data. I'll give you various ways to
> do it but they all require having another computer, some equipment, and
> some computer skill. To answer your last sentence - computers are
> extremely powerful and complicated machines. Sometimes fixing them is
> also complicated. If you don't have the skill to do what is necessary -
> and only you know the answer to that - then take the machine to a
> professional computer repair shop with experience in data recovery.
> This will not be your local version of BigStoreUSA.
>
> Here two sections on recovery your data, one for an undamaged hard drive
> and one for a damaged hard drive. From reading one of your posts, I
> would say there is a good chance your hard drive is damaged but there's
> no way for me to be sure. You were pretty skimpy on the details.
>
> A. From a physically viable hard drive:
>
> 1. Pull the drive and slave it in a computer running a working install
> of XP. Depending on the target drive's characteristics, you may need a
> drive adapter; i.e., laptop-to-IDE or a SATA controller card, etc. A
> usb/firewire external drive enclosure works very well, too. Use the
> working Windows Explorer to copy the data to the rescue system's hard
> drive and then burn the data to cd or dvd.
>
> 2. Often XP will not boot with a slaved drive that has a damaged file
> system. In that case, boot the target computer with either a Bart's PE
> or a Linux live cd such as Knoppix and retrieve the data that way. Here
> is general information on using Knoppix for this:
>
> You will need a computer with two cd drives, one of which is a cd/dvd-rw
> OR a usb thumb drive with enough capacity to hold your data OR an
> external usb/firewire hard drive formatted FAT32 (not NTFS). To get
> Knoppix, you need a computer with a fast Internet connection and
> third-party burning software. Download the Knoppix .iso and create your
> bootable cd. Then boot with it and it will be able to see the Windows
> files. If you are using the usb thumb drive or the external hard drive,
> right-click on its icon (on the Desktop) to get its properties and
> uncheck the box that says "Read Only". Then click on it to open it.
> Note that the default mouse action in the window manager used by
> Knoppix (KDE) is a single click to open instead of the traditional MS
> Windows' double-click. Otherwise, use the K3b burning program to burn
> the files to cd/dvd-r's.
>
> http://www.knoppix.net
> http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ - Bart's PE Builder
>
> B. From a physically damaged hard drive:
>
> *IMPORTANT* - If there is any question that the drive is at fault - it's
> making noises for instance - and the data is crucial DO NOTHING FURTHER
> ON THE DRIVE. Every time you spin that drive up you may be destroying
> data. If this is the case, send the drive to a professional data
> recovery company like Drive Savers (my preference) or Seagate Data
> Recovery. General prices run from $500USD on up. Drive Savers recovered
> all the data on a failed laptop drive for one of my clients and it cost
> $2,700. He thought it was worth the money; only you know what your data
> is worth. I understand that some insurance companies are now covering
> data recovery charges under "Loss of Intellectual Property" so check
> with yours.
>
> Drive Savers - http://www.drivesavers.com
> Seagate Data Recovery Services - https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>
> Malke
> --
> Elephant Boy Computers
> www.elephantboycomputers.com
> "Don't Panic!"
> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

I ran chldsk when i calmed down and it worked. I booted up and saved stuff
data to cd. It crashed when I turned it off quickly before shutdown, due to
PC froze. The the blue screen came up and failed to work properly. I run MS
malaware and eusing free registry clean which it found errors and fixed
them.
Then the thing failed to boot at all, I panicked and ran chkdsk.

Who knows what happened ?

[Malke]

jagguy wrote:

> I ran chldsk when i calmed down and it worked. I booted up and saved
> stuff data to cd. It crashed when I turned it off quickly before
> shutdown, due to PC froze. The the blue screen came up and failed to
> work properly. I run MS malaware and eusing free registry clean which
> it found errors and fixed them.
> Then the thing failed to boot at all, I panicked and ran chkdsk.
>
> Who knows what happened ?

It does sound like you are having hardware failure. Here are general
hardware troubleshooting steps:

http://www.elephantboycomputers.com/page2.html#Hardware_Tshoot

Testing hardware failures often involves swapping out suspected parts
with known-good parts. If you can't do the testing yourself and/or are
uncomfortable opening your computer, take the machine to a professional
computer repair shop (not your local equivalent of BigStoreUSA).

Malke
--
Elephant Boy Computers
www.elephantboycomputers.com
"Don't Panic!"
MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User

[gls858]

jagguy wrote:
> "Malke" > wrote in message
> ...
>> ajt wrote:
>>> I have data on my PC I need to access so I want to just boot up but I
>>> can't. I put winxp cd in and the R option just goes to a c:/ prompt.
>>>
>>> WHAT BLOODY GOOD IS THIS!
>>> NO I AM PANICKING because i can't boot and I have no idea how to boot
>>> up again.
>>> If I reinstall without formatting will I lose my data?
>>>
>>> Why is information on this complicated!
>> Please do not panic. Your data is probably fine. Even if your hard drive
>> is physically damaged, the data can probably be retrieved - although
>> not without considerable expense. Do nothing - including a Repair
>> Install - until you retrieve your data. I'll give you various ways to
>> do it but they all require having another computer, some equipment, and
>> some computer skill. To answer your last sentence - computers are
>> extremely powerful and complicated machines. Sometimes fixing them is
>> also complicated. If you don't have the skill to do what is necessary -
>> and only you know the answer to that - then take the machine to a
>> professional computer repair shop with experience in data recovery.
>> This will not be your local version of BigStoreUSA.
>>
>> Here two sections on recovery your data, one for an undamaged hard drive
>> and one for a damaged hard drive. From reading one of your posts, I
>> would say there is a good chance your hard drive is damaged but there's
>> no way for me to be sure. You were pretty skimpy on the details.
>>
>> A. From a physically viable hard drive:
>>
>> 1. Pull the drive and slave it in a computer running a working install
>> of XP. Depending on the target drive's characteristics, you may need a
>> drive adapter; i.e., laptop-to-IDE or a SATA controller card, etc. A
>> usb/firewire external drive enclosure works very well, too. Use the
>> working Windows Explorer to copy the data to the rescue system's hard
>> drive and then burn the data to cd or dvd.
>>
>> 2. Often XP will not boot with a slaved drive that has a damaged file
>> system. In that case, boot the target computer with either a Bart's PE
>> or a Linux live cd such as Knoppix and retrieve the data that way. Here
>> is general information on using Knoppix for this:
>>
>> You will need a computer with two cd drives, one of which is a cd/dvd-rw
>> OR a usb thumb drive with enough capacity to hold your data OR an
>> external usb/firewire hard drive formatted FAT32 (not NTFS). To get
>> Knoppix, you need a computer with a fast Internet connection and
>> third-party burning software. Download the Knoppix .iso and create your
>> bootable cd. Then boot with it and it will be able to see the Windows
>> files. If you are using the usb thumb drive or the external hard drive,
>> right-click on its icon (on the Desktop) to get its properties and
>> uncheck the box that says "Read Only". Then click on it to open it.
>> Note that the default mouse action in the window manager used by
>> Knoppix (KDE) is a single click to open instead of the traditional MS
>> Windows' double-click. Otherwise, use the K3b burning program to burn
>> the files to cd/dvd-r's.
>>
>> http://www.knoppix.net
>> http://www.nu2.nu/pebuilder/ - Bart's PE Builder
>>
>> B. From a physically damaged hard drive:
>>
>> *IMPORTANT* - If there is any question that the drive is at fault - it's
>> making noises for instance - and the data is crucial DO NOTHING FURTHER
>> ON THE DRIVE. Every time you spin that drive up you may be destroying
>> data. If this is the case, send the drive to a professional data
>> recovery company like Drive Savers (my preference) or Seagate Data
>> Recovery. General prices run from $500USD on up. Drive Savers recovered
>> all the data on a failed laptop drive for one of my clients and it cost
>> $2,700. He thought it was worth the money; only you know what your data
>> is worth. I understand that some insurance companies are now covering
>> data recovery charges under "Loss of Intellectual Property" so check
>> with yours.
>>
>> Drive Savers - http://www.drivesavers.com
>> Seagate Data Recovery Services - https://www.seagatedatarecovery.com/
>>
>> Malke
>> --
>> Elephant Boy Computers
>> www.elephantboycomputers.com
>> "Don't Panic!"
>> MS-MVP Windows - Shell/User
>
> I ran chldsk when i calmed down and it worked. I booted up and saved stuff
> data to cd. It crashed when I turned it off quickly before shutdown, due to
> PC froze. The the blue screen came up and failed to work properly. I run MS
> malaware and eusing free registry clean which it found errors and fixed
> them.
> Then the thing failed to boot at all, I panicked and ran chkdsk.
>
> Who knows what happened ?
>
>
I'm surprised no one has mentioned it but many times registry cleaners
do more harm than good. Most here recommend not using them.

gls858

[David Nimon]

I'm surprised you quote an entire long message just to give a two line
response.

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"gls858" > wrote in message
...
> jagguy wrote:

> I'm surprised no one has mentioned it but many times registry cleaners
> do more harm than good. Most here recommend not using them.
>
> gls858

[gls858]

David Nimon wrote:
> I'm surprised you quote an entire long message just to give a two line
> response.
>
Thanks for the comment David I'm sure the OP found it very helpful.

gls858