New HDD Installation

[johnh]

I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the old
drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the old
and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to be
installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do not
have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded to
Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP upgrade disk
as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may need
to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as quick and
painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the primary
IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.

[Rich Barry]

John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In there
will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone it?
"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
> older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
> capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the old
> drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the old
> and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to be
> installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do not
> have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded to
> Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP upgrade
> disk
> as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may
> need
> to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as quick
> and
> painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the
> primary
> IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.

[Andrew E.]

With SP2 installed the pci card really isnt needed,youre MB IDE controller
should be fine.Also,if you do stick with maxtor,you probably need to
configure
it in the BIOS,resetting the CMOS would'nt hurt either.Also,setting aside the
old hd is/was a v.poor recomendation,set it as slave to new hd,or move to
other IDE connection,set the jumper pins,then set as a paging file for
virtual
memory in xp.One other item,if the wdc hd is solo on a IDE cable,it uses no
jumper pins at all.

"JohnH" wrote:

> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
> older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
> capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the old
> drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the old
> and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to be
> installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do not
> have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded to
> Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP upgrade disk
> as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may need
> to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as quick and
> painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the primary
> IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.

[johnh]

I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the old
drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking for
a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the Windows ME
restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
advice would be greatly appreciated.

"Rich Barry" wrote:

> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In there
> will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone it?
> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
> > older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
> > capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the old
> > drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the old
> > and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to be
> > installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do not
> > have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded to
> > Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP upgrade
> > disk
> > as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may
> > need
> > to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as quick
> > and
> > painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the
> > primary
> > IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>
>
>

[Ron Sommer]

Large drives need SP 2 and a Bios that recognizes the large drive.
The drive will have to stay on the pci card.
--
Ronald Sommer

"Andrew E." > wrote in message
...
: With SP2 installed the pci card really isnt needed,youre MB IDE
controller
: should be fine.Also,if you do stick with maxtor,you probably need to
: configure
: it in the BIOS,resetting the CMOS would'nt hurt either.Also,setting aside
the
: old hd is/was a v.poor recomendation,set it as slave to new hd,or move to
: other IDE connection,set the jumper pins,then set as a paging file for
: virtual
: memory in xp.One other item,if the wdc hd is solo on a IDE cable,it uses
no
: jumper pins at all.
:
: "JohnH" wrote:
:
: > I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
is
: > older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
: > capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the old
: > drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the
old
: > and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to
be
: > installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
not
: > have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded
to
: > Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP upgrade
disk
: > as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may
need
: > to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
quick and
: > painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the
primary
: > IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.

[Ron Sommer]

The new disk needs a boot sector.
If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.

You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
--
Ronald Sommer

"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
:I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
old
: drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
: uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
for
: a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the Windows ME
: restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
: advice would be greatly appreciated.
:
: "Rich Barry" wrote:
:
: > John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
there
: > will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
: > How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
it?
: > "JohnH" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > >I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
is
: > > older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
full
: > > capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
old
: > > drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the
old
: > > and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to
be
: > > installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
not
: > > have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded
to
: > > Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
upgrade
: > > disk
: > > as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may
: > > need
: > > to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
quick
: > > and
: > > painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the
: > > primary
: > > IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
: >
: >
: >

[Detlev Dreyer]

Ron Sommer > wrote:

> Large drives need SP 2 and a Bios that recognizes the large drive.

That depends. I've added a second internal IDE drive (160 GB) to this
computer (secondary IDE controller) and the BIOS recognized 136 GB only.
WinXP SP2, however, recognized the *full* capacity.

--
d-d

[Ron Sommer]

"Detlev Dreyer" > wrote in message
...
: Ron Sommer > wrote:
:
: > Large drives need SP 2 and a Bios that recognizes the large drive.
:
: That depends. I've added a second internal IDE drive (160 GB) to this
: computer (secondary IDE controller) and the BIOS recognized 136 GB only.
: WinXP SP2, however, recognized the *full* capacity.
:
: --
: d-d
There are enough things that can go wrong without gambling on this issue.
Keep the controller card.
--
Ronald Sommer

[Detlev Dreyer]

Ron Sommer > wrote:

>> Large drives need SP 2 and a Bios that recognizes the large drive.
>>
>> That depends. I've added a second internal IDE drive (160 GB) to this
>> computer (secondary IDE controller) and the BIOS recognized 136 GB
>> only. WinXP SP2, however, recognized the *full* capacity.
>>
> There are enough things that can go wrong without gambling on this
> issue.

Note that WinXP does not depend on the BIOS in contrast to Win9x/Me.

> Keep the controller card.

I can't keep the controller card because I don't have such card. Wasted
money in that case!

--
d-d

[johnh]

How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at start-up.
Thanks for any help you can provide.

"Ron Sommer" wrote:

> The new disk needs a boot sector.
> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>
> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> --
> Ronald Sommer
>
> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> :I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> old
> : drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> : uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> for
> : a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the Windows ME
> : restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> : advice would be greatly appreciated.
> :
> : "Rich Barry" wrote:
> :
> : > John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> there
> : > will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> : > How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> it?
> : > "JohnH" > wrote in message
> : > ...
> : > >I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> is
> : > > older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> full
> : > > capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> old
> : > > drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect the
> old
> : > > and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk to
> be
> : > > installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> not
> : > > have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later upgraded
> to
> : > > Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> upgrade
> : > > disk
> : > > as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states that it may
> : > > need
> : > > to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> quick
> : > > and
> : > > painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling the the
> : > > primary
> : > > IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> : >
> : >
> : >
>
>

[Anna]

>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>> is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>> full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>> old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>> the
>> old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>> to
>> be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>> not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>> upgraded
>> to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>> upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>> that it may
>> need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>> quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>> the the
>> primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.


> "Ron Sommer" wrote:
>> The new disk needs a boot sector.
>> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>
>> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>> --
>> Ronald Sommer


>> "JohnH" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>> old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>> uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>> for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>> Windows ME
>> restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>> advice would be greatly appreciated.


>> "Rich Barry" wrote:
>> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>> there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>> it?


"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
> How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> start-up.
> Thanks for any help you can provide.


JohnH:
Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?

1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
right?

2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
controller card with no problems, right?

3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
boot & function without any problems if you do this?

Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
Anna

[Ron Sommer]

"Anna" > wrote in message
...
: >>"JohnH" > wrote in message
: >> ...
: >> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
: >> is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
: >> full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied
the
: >> old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
: >> the
: >> old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
: >> to
: >> be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I
do
: >> not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
: >> upgraded
: >> to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
: >> upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
: >> that it may
: >> need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this
as
: >> quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
: >> the the
: >> primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
:
:
: > "Ron Sommer" wrote:
: >> The new disk needs a boot sector.
: >> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
: >>
: >> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
: >> --
: >> Ronald Sommer
:
:
: >> "JohnH" > wrote in message
: >> ...
: >> I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from
the
: >> old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer
seemed
: >> uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be
asking
: >> for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
: >> Windows ME
: >> restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used?
Anymore
: >> advice would be greatly appreciated.
:
:
: >> "Rich Barry" wrote:
: >> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
: >> there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
: >> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
: >> it?
:
:
: "JohnH" > wrote in message
: ...
: > How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
: > start-up.
: > Thanks for any help you can provide.
:
:
: JohnH:
: Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
:
: 1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any
problems
: when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk
capacity,
: right?
:
: 2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
: card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
: controller card with no problems, right?
:
: 3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy
the
: contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
: How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
: boot & function without any problems if you do this?
:
: Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
: the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying
over
: your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is
it
: too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
: Anna
:
:
If you start at the beginning, you will see:
I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
capacity of the HDD would be detected.
--
Ronald Sommer

[Anna]

> : >>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> : >> ...
> : >> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My
> motherboard
> : >> is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> : >> full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied
> the
> : >> old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to
> disconnect
> : >> the
> : >> old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot
> disk
> : >> to
> : >> be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I
> do
> : >> not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> : >> upgraded
> : >> to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> : >> upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital
> states
> : >> that it may
> : >> need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this
> as
> : >> quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if
> disabling
> : >> the the
> : >> primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> :
> :
> : > "Ron Sommer" wrote:
> : >> The new disk needs a boot sector.
> : >> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> : >>
> : >> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> : >> --
> : >> Ronald Sommer


> : >> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> : >> ...
> : >> I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from
> the
> : >> old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer
> seemed
> : >> uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be
> asking
> : >> for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> : >> Windows ME
> : >> restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used?
> Anymore
> : >> advice would be greatly appreciated.


> : >> "Rich Barry" wrote:
> : >> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> : >> there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> : >> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or
> clone
> : >> it?


> : "JohnH" > wrote in message
> : ...
> : > How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> : > start-up.
> : > Thanks for any help you can provide.


> "Anna" > wrote in message
> ...
> : JohnH:
> : Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
> :
> : 1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any
> problems
> : when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk
> capacity,
> : right?
> :
> : 2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA
> controller
> : card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> : controller card with no problems, right?
> :
> : 3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy
> the
> : contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> : How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will
> it
> : boot & function without any problems if you do this?
> :
> : Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs
> on
> : the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying
> over
> : your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or
> is
> it
> : too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA
> HDD?
> : Anna


"Ron Sommer" > wrote in message
...
> If you start at the beginning, you will see:
> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard is
> older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the full
> capacity of the HDD would be detected.
> --
> Ronald Sommer


Ron:
I did originally notice that the OP referred to his new WD 160 GB HDD as an
"EIDE" HDD, however, since he also indicated that the controller card to
which he's connected that drive is a "Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card", I assumed
this was Maxtor's SATA/150 PCI controller card and that his WD HDD was, in
fact, WD's 160 GB SATA HDD. But I do now note that the Maxtor card does
contain ATA ports and it's reasonable to assume that his WD HDD is indeed a
PATA HDD and is connected to one of the card's ATA ports.

Be that as it may, my suggestion to the OP still stands. I think at this
point it would be best if he would fresh install the XP OS onto the new WD
HDD and go on from there along the lines I suggested.

I have the feeling that something went awry during his disk copying
operation and that probably accounts for the problem he's experiencing.
While he can repeat that operation with the WD or Maxtor program he
apparently used, I'm apprehensive that the same problem will reoccur. That
is why I suggested the approach I did in my post above, assuming as I
indicated, that this would be practical in his present circumstances.

If, on the other hand, John is able to solve his problem through the
Recovery Console commands that you suggested, all well & good.
Anna

[johnh]

If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
before doing this.

1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?

2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?

3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
leave on auto?





"Anna" wrote:

> >>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >> is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >> full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >> old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >> the
> >> old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >> to
> >> be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >> not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >> upgraded
> >> to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >> upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >> that it may
> >> need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >> quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >> the the
> >> primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>
>
> > "Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >> The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>
> >> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >> --
> >> Ronald Sommer
>
>
> >> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> >> ...
> >> I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >> old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >> uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >> for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >> Windows ME
> >> restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >> advice would be greatly appreciated.
>
>
> >> "Rich Barry" wrote:
> >> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >> there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >> it?
>
>
> "JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> > How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> > start-up.
> > Thanks for any help you can provide.
>
>
> JohnH:
> Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>
> 1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
> when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
> right?
>
> 2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
> card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> controller card with no problems, right?
>
> 3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
> contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
> boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>
> Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
> the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
> your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
> too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
> Anna
>
>
>

[John John]

Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
installation up and running again.

Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058

Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859

Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true

John

JohnH wrote:
> If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> before doing this.
>
> 1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>
> 2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>
> 3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> leave on auto?
>
>
>
>
>
> "Anna" wrote:
>
>
>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>the
>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>to
>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>upgraded
>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>that it may
>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>the the
>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>
>>
>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>
>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>
>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>--
>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>
>>
>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>Windows ME
>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>
>>
>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>it?
>>
>>
>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>
>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>>>start-up.
>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>
>>
>>JohnH:
>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>
>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
>>right?
>>
>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>>controller card with no problems, right?
>>
>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>
>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
>>Anna
>>
>>
>>

[Anna]

>> >>"JohnH" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>> >> is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>> >> full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied
>> >> the
>> >> old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>> >> the
>> >> old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot
>> >> disk
>> >> to
>> >> be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I
>> >> do
>> >> not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>> >> upgraded
>> >> to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>> >> upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital
>> >> states
>> >> that it may
>> >> need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this
>> >> as
>> >> quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>> >> the the
>> >> primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.


>> > "Ron Sommer" wrote:
>> >> The new disk needs a boot sector.
>> >> If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>> >>
>> >> You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>> >> --
>> >> Ronald Sommer


>> >> "JohnH" > wrote in message
>> >> ...
>> >> I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from
>> >> the
>> >> old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer
>> >> seemed
>> >> uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be
>> >> asking
>> >> for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>> >> Windows ME
>> >> restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used?
>> >> Anymore
>> >> advice would be greatly appreciated.


>> >> "Rich Barry" wrote:
>> >> John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>> >> there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>> >> How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>> >> it?


>> "JohnH" > wrote in message
>> ...
>> > How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>> > start-up.
>> > Thanks for any help you can provide.


> "Anna" wrote:
>> JohnH:
>> Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>
>> 1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any
>> problems
>> when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk
>> capacity,
>> right?
>>
>> 2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA
>> controller
>> card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>> controller card with no problems, right?
>>
>> 3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy
>> the
>> contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>> How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>> boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>
>> Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>> the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying
>> over
>> your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is
>> it
>> too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA
>> HDD?
>> Anna


"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
> If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start
> fresh
> if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> before doing this.
>
> 1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed
> in
> the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me
> disk?
>
> 2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>
> 3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or
> just
> leave on auto?


JohnH:
First of all I assume you've seen my exchange with Ron Sommer in this
thread. Just to verify...

The WD 160 GB is a PATA HDD - not a SATA HDD, right?
And you've properly connected & configured that disk to your Maxtor
controller card, right?
That HDD is detected by your motherboard's BIOS, right?

I honestly don't know if your XP "restore" CD will allow you to undertake a
fresh install of the XP OS. If it does have that capability, it's a virtual
certainty that you will need the Win Me installation CD to undertake the
install process. Anyway, it's worth a try. If it fails, so be it. Make sure
you disconnect your old HDD before undertaking a fresh install of the OS.

As to your question whether "to disable the motherboard IDE or just leave on
auto", I assume you're referring to the BIOS element re HDD recognition. In
virtually every case the "auto" designation is appropriate. But as I asked
above, your BIOS *does" recognize the WD 160 GB HDD, right?

Did you try invoking the Recovery Console commands suggested by Ron? I
assumed you had but it was still no go. If you haven't done so by now, do
so, and see what happens. I really don't think that will solve your present
problem but again, there's no harm in trying. And if it did work that would
simplify matters considerably, wouldn't it?

Anyway, if none of the above works I suppose your only recourse will be to
use the Maxtor or WD disk copying program again and give it another try.
Anna

[johnh]

I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
are available for selection:
1. Component Services
2. Data Sources (ODBC)
3. Event Viewer
4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
5. Services
6. Computer Management
7. Desktop.ini
8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
9. Performance

I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
just fixboot alone?
"John John" wrote:

> Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
> installation up and running again.
>
> Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>
> Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
> and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
> setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
> for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>
> Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
> with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
> create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
> your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
> the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
> in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
> the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
> http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>
> John
>
> JohnH wrote:
> > If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> > the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> > if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> > before doing this.
> >
> > 1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> > the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
> >
> > 2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
> >
> > 3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> > leave on auto?
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > "Anna" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >>>>the
> >>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >>>>to
> >>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >>>>upgraded
> >>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >>>>that it may
> >>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >>>>the the
> >>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> >>
> >>
> >>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>>>
> >>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >>>>--
> >>>>Ronald Sommer
> >>
> >>
> >>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >>>>Windows ME
> >>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>
> >>
> >>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
> >>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >>>>it?
> >>
> >>
> >>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>
> >>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> >>>start-up.
> >>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >>
> >>
> >>JohnH:
> >>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
> >>
> >>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
> >>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
> >>right?
> >>
> >>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
> >>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> >>controller card with no problems, right?
> >>
> >>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
> >>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> >>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
> >>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
> >>
> >>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
> >>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
> >>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
> >>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
> >>Anna
> >>
> >>
> >>
>

[John John]

Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.

Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
suggested.

John

JohnH wrote:

> I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
> Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
> this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
> as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
> are available for selection:
> 1. Component Services
> 2. Data Sources (ODBC)
> 3. Event Viewer
> 4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
> 5. Services
> 6. Computer Management
> 7. Desktop.ini
> 8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
> 9. Performance
>
> I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
> sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
> should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
> just fixboot alone?
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
>>installation up and running again.
>>
>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>>
>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>>
>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>>
>>John
>>
>>JohnH wrote:
>>
>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
>>>before doing this.
>>>
>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>>>
>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>>>
>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
>>>leave on auto?
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>"Anna" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>>>the
>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>>>to
>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>>>that it may
>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>>>the the
>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>>>--
>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>>>Windows ME
>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>>>it?
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>>>>>start-up.
>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>JohnH:
>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>>>
>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
>>>>right?
>>>>
>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
>>>>
>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>>>
>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
>>>>Anna
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>

[johnh]

I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
drive:
DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.

"John John" wrote:

> Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
> account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
> Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
> the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
> have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
> Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
> the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
>
> Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
> tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
> and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
> and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
> suggested.
>
> John
>
> JohnH wrote:
>
> > I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
> > Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
> > this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
> > as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
> > are available for selection:
> > 1. Component Services
> > 2. Data Sources (ODBC)
> > 3. Event Viewer
> > 4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
> > 5. Services
> > 6. Computer Management
> > 7. Desktop.ini
> > 8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
> > 9. Performance
> >
> > I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
> > sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
> > should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
> > just fixboot alone?
> > "John John" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
> >>installation up and running again.
> >>
> >>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
> >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
> >>
> >>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
> >>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
> >>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
> >>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
> >>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
> >>
> >>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
> >>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
> >>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
> >>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
> >>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
> >>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
> >>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
> >>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>JohnH wrote:
> >>
> >>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> >>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> >>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> >>>before doing this.
> >>>
> >>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> >>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
> >>>
> >>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
> >>>
> >>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> >>>leave on auto?
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>"Anna" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >>>>>>the
> >>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >>>>>>to
> >>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >>>>>>upgraded
> >>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >>>>>>that it may
> >>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >>>>>>the the
> >>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >>>>>>--
> >>>>>>Ronald Sommer
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >>>>>>Windows ME
> >>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
> >>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >>>>>>it?
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> >>>>>start-up.
> >>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>JohnH:
> >>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
> >>>>
> >>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
> >>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
> >>>>right?
> >>>>
> >>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
> >>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> >>>>controller card with no problems, right?
> >>>>
> >>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
> >>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> >>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
> >>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
> >>>>
> >>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
> >>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
> >>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
> >>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
> >>>>Anna
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>

[John John]

It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
see if it can be made active in the context menu.

John

JohnH wrote:

> I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
> drive:
> DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
> Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
>
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
>>
>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
>>suggested.
>>
>>John
>>
>>JohnH wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
>>>are available for selection:
>>>1. Component Services
>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
>>>3. Event Viewer
>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
>>>5. Services
>>>6. Computer Management
>>>7. Desktop.ini
>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
>>>9. Performance
>>>
>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
>>>just fixboot alone?
>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
>>>>installation up and running again.
>>>>
>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>>>>
>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>>>>
>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
>>>>>before doing this.
>>>>>
>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>>>>>
>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>>>>>
>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
>>>>>leave on auto?
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>>>>>that it may
>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>>>>>the the
>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>>>>>Windows ME
>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>>>>>>>start-up.
>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JohnH:
>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
>>>>>>right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
>>>>>>Anna
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>
>>

[johnh]

I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
and fixmbr.

"John John" wrote:

> It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
> see if it can be made active in the context menu.
>
> John
>
> JohnH wrote:
>
> > I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
> > drive:
> > DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
> > Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
> >
> > "John John" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
> >>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
> >>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
> >>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
> >>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
> >>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
> >>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
> >>
> >>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
> >>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
> >>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
> >>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
> >>suggested.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>JohnH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
> >>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
> >>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
> >>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
> >>>are available for selection:
> >>>1. Component Services
> >>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
> >>>3. Event Viewer
> >>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
> >>>5. Services
> >>>6. Computer Management
> >>>7. Desktop.ini
> >>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
> >>>9. Performance
> >>>
> >>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
> >>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
> >>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
> >>>just fixboot alone?
> >>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
> >>>>installation up and running again.
> >>>>
> >>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
> >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
> >>>>
> >>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
> >>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
> >>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
> >>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
> >>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
> >>>>
> >>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
> >>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
> >>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
> >>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
> >>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
> >>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
> >>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
> >>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
> >>>>
> >>>>John
> >>>>
> >>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> >>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> >>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> >>>>>before doing this.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> >>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> >>>>>leave on auto?
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"Anna" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >>>>>>>>upgraded
> >>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >>>>>>>>that it may
> >>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >>>>>>>>the the
> >>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >>>>>>>>Windows ME
> >>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >>>>>>>>it?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> >>>>>>>start-up.
> >>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>JohnH:
> >>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
> >>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
> >>>>>>right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
> >>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> >>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
> >>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> >>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
> >>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
> >>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
> >>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
> >>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
> >>>>>>Anna
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>
> >>
>
>

[John John]

Run both commands.

John

JohnH wrote:

> I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
> run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
> and fixmbr.
>
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
>>
>>John
>>
>>JohnH wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
>>>drive:
>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
>>>
>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
>>>>
>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
>>>>suggested.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
>>>>>are available for selection:
>>>>>1. Component Services
>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
>>>>>3. Event Viewer
>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
>>>>>5. Services
>>>>>6. Computer Management
>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
>>>>>9. Performance
>>>>>
>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
>>>>>just fixboot alone?
>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
>>>>>>installation up and running again.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
>>>>>>>before doing this.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
>>>>>>>leave on auto?
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>>>>>>>that it may
>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>>>>>>>the the
>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>>>>>>>>>start-up.
>>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JohnH:
>>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
>>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
>>>>>>>>right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
>>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
>>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
>>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
>>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
>>>>>>>>Anna
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>

[johnh]

I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks

"John John" wrote:

> Run both commands.
>
> John
>
> JohnH wrote:
>
> > I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
> > run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
> > and fixmbr.
> >
> > "John John" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
> >>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>JohnH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
> >>>drive:
> >>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
> >>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
> >>>
> >>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
> >>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
> >>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
> >>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
> >>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
> >>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
> >>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
> >>>>
> >>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
> >>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
> >>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
> >>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
> >>>>suggested.
> >>>>
> >>>>John
> >>>>
> >>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
> >>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
> >>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
> >>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
> >>>>>are available for selection:
> >>>>>1. Component Services
> >>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
> >>>>>3. Event Viewer
> >>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
> >>>>>5. Services
> >>>>>6. Computer Management
> >>>>>7. Desktop.ini
> >>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
> >>>>>9. Performance
> >>>>>
> >>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
> >>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
> >>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
> >>>>>just fixboot alone?
> >>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
> >>>>>>installation up and running again.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
> >>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
> >>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
> >>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
> >>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
> >>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
> >>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
> >>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
> >>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
> >>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
> >>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
> >>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
> >>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> >>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> >>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> >>>>>>>before doing this.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> >>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> >>>>>>>leave on auto?
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >>>>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >>>>>>>>>>upgraded
> >>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >>>>>>>>>>that it may
> >>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >>>>>>>>>>the the
> >>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >>>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
> >>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >>>>>>>>>>it?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> >>>>>>>>>start-up.
> >>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>JohnH:
> >>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
> >>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
> >>>>>>>>right?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
> >>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> >>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
> >>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> >>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
> >>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
> >>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
> >>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
> >>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
> >>>>>>>>Anna
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>
>

[John John]

Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.

If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
out then the partition is probably active and ok.

John

JohnH wrote:

> I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
> repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
> generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
> to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
> was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
> on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
> this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
> not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
> and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks
>
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>Run both commands.
>>
>>John
>>
>>JohnH wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
>>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
>>>and fixmbr.
>>>
>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
>>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
>>>>>drive:
>>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
>>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
>>>>>
>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
>>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
>>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
>>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
>>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
>>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
>>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
>>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
>>>>>>suggested.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
>>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
>>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
>>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
>>>>>>>are available for selection:
>>>>>>>1. Component Services
>>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
>>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
>>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
>>>>>>>5. Services
>>>>>>>6. Computer Management
>>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
>>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
>>>>>>>9. Performance
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
>>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
>>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
>>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
>>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
>>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
>>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
>>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
>>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
>>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
>>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
>>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
>>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
>>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
>>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
>>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>before doing this.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
>>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
>>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
>>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>>>>>>>>>the the
>>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>>>>>>>>>>>start-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JohnH:
>>>>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
>>>>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
>>>>>>>>>>right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
>>>>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>>>>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
>>>>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>>>>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>>>>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>>>>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
>>>>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
>>>>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
>>>>>>>>>>Anna
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>

[johnh]

I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and highlighted
the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?

"John John" wrote:

> Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
> that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
> message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
> that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
> does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
> you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
> have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
> you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
> the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
> Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
> and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
> installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
> desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.
>
> If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
> option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
> commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
> article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
> just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
> certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
> of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
> was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
> you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
> out then the partition is probably active and ok.
>
> John
>
> JohnH wrote:
>
> > I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
> > repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
> > generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
> > to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
> > was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
> > on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
> > this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
> > not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
> > and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks
> >
> > "John John" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Run both commands.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>JohnH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
> >>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
> >>>and fixmbr.
> >>>
> >>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
> >>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
> >>>>
> >>>>John
> >>>>
> >>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
> >>>>>drive:
> >>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
> >>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
> >>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
> >>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
> >>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
> >>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
> >>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
> >>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
> >>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
> >>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
> >>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
> >>>>>>suggested.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
> >>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
> >>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
> >>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
> >>>>>>>are available for selection:
> >>>>>>>1. Component Services
> >>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
> >>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
> >>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
> >>>>>>>5. Services
> >>>>>>>6. Computer Management
> >>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
> >>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
> >>>>>>>9. Performance
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
> >>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
> >>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
> >>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
> >>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
> >>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
> >>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
> >>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
> >>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
> >>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
> >>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
> >>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
> >>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
> >>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
> >>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
> >>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
> >>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
> >>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> >>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> >>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> >>>>>>>>>before doing this.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> >>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> >>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
> >>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
> >>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>the the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
> >>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>it?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> >>>>>>>>>>>start-up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>JohnH:
> >>>>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
> >>>>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
> >>>>>>>>>>right?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
> >>>>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> >>>>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
> >>>>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> >>>>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
> >>>>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
> >>>>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
> >>>>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
> >>>>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
> >>>>>>>>>>Anna
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
>

[John John]

Right clicking on the partition or using the | Action > All Tasks menu
at the top of the console should show the option, either greyed out (the
partition is already active) or usable to make the partition active.
That the option doesn't show up at all is unusual, maybe because the MBR
is screwed the option is not showing. Do the fixboot and fixmbr things
in the Recovery Console then see if things change.

There are other ways to mark the partition active, either with a Windows
98 startup disk (using fdisk) or using the DISKPART command while in
Windows XP. Do the fixes in the Recovery Console first and then we will
address the active issue if needed.

John


JohnH wrote:

> I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
> clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and highlighted
> the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
> and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?
>
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
>>that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
>>message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
>>that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
>>does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
>>you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
>>have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
>>you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
>>the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
>>Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
>>and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
>>installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
>>desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.
>>
>>If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
>>option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
>>commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
>>article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
>>just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
>>certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
>>of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
>>was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
>>you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
>>out then the partition is probably active and ok.
>>
>>John
>>
>>JohnH wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
>>>repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
>>>generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
>>>to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
>>>was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
>>>on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
>>>this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
>>>not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
>>>and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks
>>>
>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Run both commands.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
>>>>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
>>>>>and fixmbr.
>>>>>
>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
>>>>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
>>>>>>>drive:
>>>>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
>>>>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
>>>>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
>>>>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
>>>>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
>>>>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
>>>>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
>>>>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
>>>>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
>>>>>>>>suggested.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
>>>>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
>>>>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
>>>>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
>>>>>>>>>are available for selection:
>>>>>>>>>1. Component Services
>>>>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
>>>>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
>>>>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
>>>>>>>>>5. Services
>>>>>>>>>6. Computer Management
>>>>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
>>>>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
>>>>>>>>>9. Performance
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
>>>>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
>>>>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
>>>>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
>>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
>>>>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
>>>>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
>>>>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
>>>>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
>>>>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
>>>>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
>>>>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
>>>>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
>>>>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
>>>>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
>>>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
>>>>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
>>>>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>>>before doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
>>>>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
>>>>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>start-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>JohnH:
>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
>>>>>>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>>>>>>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>>>>>>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>>>>>>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>>>>>>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
>>>>>>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
>>>>>>>>>>>>Anna
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>

[johnh]

I ran both fixboot and fixmbr but the drive seems to be unactive. The
selection "Mark as active is there but I am not able to highlight it (greyed
out). How do I make it active?

"John John" wrote:

> Right clicking on the partition or using the | Action > All Tasks menu
> at the top of the console should show the option, either greyed out (the
> partition is already active) or usable to make the partition active.
> That the option doesn't show up at all is unusual, maybe because the MBR
> is screwed the option is not showing. Do the fixboot and fixmbr things
> in the Recovery Console then see if things change.
>
> There are other ways to mark the partition active, either with a Windows
> 98 startup disk (using fdisk) or using the DISKPART command while in
> Windows XP. Do the fixes in the Recovery Console first and then we will
> address the active issue if needed.
>
> John
>
>
> JohnH wrote:
>
> > I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
> > clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and highlighted
> > the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
> > and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?
> >
> > "John John" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
> >>that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
> >>message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
> >>that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
> >>does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
> >>you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
> >>have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
> >>you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
> >>the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
> >>Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
> >>and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
> >>installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
> >>desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.
> >>
> >>If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
> >>option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
> >>commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
> >>article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
> >>just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
> >>certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
> >>of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
> >>was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
> >>you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
> >>out then the partition is probably active and ok.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>JohnH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
> >>>repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
> >>>generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
> >>>to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
> >>>was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
> >>>on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
> >>>this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
> >>>not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
> >>>and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks
> >>>
> >>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Run both commands.
> >>>>
> >>>>John
> >>>>
> >>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
> >>>>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
> >>>>>and fixmbr.
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
> >>>>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
> >>>>>>>drive:
> >>>>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
> >>>>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
> >>>>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
> >>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
> >>>>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
> >>>>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
> >>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
> >>>>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
> >>>>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
> >>>>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
> >>>>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
> >>>>>>>>suggested.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
> >>>>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
> >>>>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
> >>>>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
> >>>>>>>>>are available for selection:
> >>>>>>>>>1. Component Services
> >>>>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
> >>>>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
> >>>>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
> >>>>>>>>>5. Services
> >>>>>>>>>6. Computer Management
> >>>>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
> >>>>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
> >>>>>>>>>9. Performance
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
> >>>>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
> >>>>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
> >>>>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
> >>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
> >>>>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
> >>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
> >>>>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
> >>>>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
> >>>>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
> >>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
> >>>>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
> >>>>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
> >>>>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
> >>>>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
> >>>>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
> >>>>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
> >>>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> >>>>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> >>>>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> >>>>>>>>>>>before doing this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> >>>>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> >>>>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>the the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>start-up.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>JohnH:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
> >>>>>>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
> >>>>>>>>>>>>right?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
> >>>>>>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
> >>>>>>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
> >>>>>>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
> >>>>>>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
> >>>>>>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Anna
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>

[Ron Sommer]

There are two ways to start the Recovery Console:

a.. If you are unable to start your computer, you can run the Recovery
Console from your Setup CD.
b.. As an alternative, you can install the Recovery Console on your
computer to make it available in case you are unable to restart Windows. You
can then select the Recovery Console option from the list of available
operating systems on startup.
After you start the Recovery Console you will have to choose which
installation you want to log on to (if you have a dual-boot or multiple-boot
system) and you will have to log on with your administrator password.

The console provides commands you can use to do simple operations such as
changing to a different directory or viewing a directory, and more powerful
operations such as fixing the boot sector. You can access Help for the
commands in the Recovery Console by typing help at the Recovery Console
command prompt.
--
Ronald Sommer


"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
:I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
: clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and
highlighted
: the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
: and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?
:
: "John John" wrote:
:
: > Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
: > that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
: > message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
: > that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
: > does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
: > you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
: > have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
: > you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
: > the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
: > Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
: > and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
: > installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
: > desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.
: >
: > If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
: > option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
: > commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
: > article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
: > just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
: > certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
: > of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
: > was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
: > you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
: > out then the partition is probably active and ok.
: >
: > John
: >
: > JohnH wrote:
: >
: > > I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go
into the
: > > repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would
loading this
: > > generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and
pressed F6
: > > to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console
and
: > > was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase
the mbr
: > > on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given
when
: > > this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your
opinion. I do
: > > not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a
week
: > > and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me.
Thanks
: > >
: > > "John John" wrote:
: > >
: > >
: > >>Run both commands.
: > >>
: > >>John
: > >>
: > >>JohnH wrote:
: > >>
: > >>
: > >>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to
try and
: > >>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both
fixboot
: > >>>and fixmbr.
: > >>>
: > >>>"John John" wrote:
: > >>>
: > >>>
: > >>>
: > >>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it
and
: > >>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
: > >>>>
: > >>>>John
: > >>>>
: > >>>>JohnH wrote:
: > >>>>
: > >>>>
: > >>>>
: > >>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information
about the
: > >>>>>drive:
: > >>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style=
Master Boot
: > >>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
: > >>>>>
: > >>>>>"John John" wrote:
: > >>>>>
: > >>>>>
: > >>>>>
: > >>>>>
: > >>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not
your
: > >>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with
the
: > >>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password
for
: > >>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If
you
: > >>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
: > >>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you
have
: > >>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk
Management
: > >>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System
Partition
: > >>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and
marked
: > >>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as
Ron
: > >>>>>>suggested.
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>>John
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>>JohnH wrote:
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with
the Recovery
: > >>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools
to enable
: > >>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder
to click on
: > >>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following
files or folders
: > >>>>>>>are available for selection:
: > >>>>>>>1. Component Services
: > >>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
: > >>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
: > >>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
: > >>>>>>>5. Services
: > >>>>>>>6. Computer Management
: > >>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
: > >>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
: > >>>>>>>9. Performance
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a
boot
: > >>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the
admin password
: > >>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and
fixboot or
: > >>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
: > >>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get
your
: > >>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
: > >>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup
process
: > >>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so
that the
: > >>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc.
See here
: > >>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
: > >>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the
computer
: > >>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how
to
: > >>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note
that with
: > >>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have
to edit
: > >>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC
command
: > >>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk
value for
: > >>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
: >
>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>John
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh
install of
: > >>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to
start fresh
: > >>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few
questions
: > >>>>>>>>>before doing this.
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was
installed in
: > >>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the
Windows Me disk?
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in
place?
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard
IDE or just
: > >>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My
motherboard
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI
Card so the
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it
and copied the
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to
disconnect
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>the
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for
a boot disk
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>to
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on
it and I do
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I
later
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the
Windows XP
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western
Digital states
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to
make this as
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if
disabling
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>the the
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
: > >>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot
sector.
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>--
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the
partition from the
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The
transfer seemed
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems
to be asking
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed.
Can the
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be
used? Anymore
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor
Card. In
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image
it or clone
: > >>>>>>>>>>>>it?
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
: > ...
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot
disk at
: > >>>>>>>>>>>start-up.
: > >>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>JohnH:
: > >>>>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without
any problems
: > >>>>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small
disk capacity,
: > >>>>>>>>>>right?
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a
SATA controller
: > >>>>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed
the SATA
: > >>>>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you
used to copy the
: > >>>>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
: > >>>>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA
HDD? Will it
: > >>>>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your
programs on
: > >>>>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no
problem copying over
: > >>>>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD,
right? Or is it
: > >>>>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your
new SATA HDD?
: > >>>>>>>>>>Anna
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>>>
: > >>>>>>>>
: >

[John John]

It means the drive is already set active, which is the expected case on
a single partition disk. If the partition is also shown as "System"
then things there appear normal. To satisfy yourself you can run a
DISKPART session and mark the partition active again. From the
diskpart session you will receive confirmation that the partition has
been set active. You can also boot with a Windows 98 boot disk and
confirm or change the active flag of the partition using the FDISK command.

So now, if the disk is still not bootable, you can try a repair
installation... or rebuild the disc from scratch.

John


JohnH wrote:
> I ran both fixboot and fixmbr but the drive seems to be unactive. The
> selection "Mark as active is there but I am not able to highlight it (greyed
> out). How do I make it active?
>
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>Right clicking on the partition or using the | Action > All Tasks menu
>>at the top of the console should show the option, either greyed out (the
>>partition is already active) or usable to make the partition active.
>>That the option doesn't show up at all is unusual, maybe because the MBR
>>is screwed the option is not showing. Do the fixboot and fixmbr things
>>in the Recovery Console then see if things change.
>>
>>There are other ways to mark the partition active, either with a Windows
>>98 startup disk (using fdisk) or using the DISKPART command while in
>>Windows XP. Do the fixes in the Recovery Console first and then we will
>>address the active issue if needed.
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>JohnH wrote:
>>
>>
>>>I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
>>>clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and highlighted
>>>the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
>>>and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?
>>>
>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
>>>>that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
>>>>message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
>>>>that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
>>>>does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
>>>>you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
>>>>have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
>>>>you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
>>>>the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
>>>>Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
>>>>and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
>>>>installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
>>>>desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.
>>>>
>>>>If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
>>>>option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
>>>>commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
>>>>article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
>>>>just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
>>>>certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
>>>>of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
>>>>was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
>>>>you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
>>>>out then the partition is probably active and ok.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
>>>>>repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
>>>>>generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
>>>>>to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
>>>>>was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
>>>>>on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
>>>>>this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
>>>>>not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
>>>>>and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks
>>>>>
>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Run both commands.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
>>>>>>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
>>>>>>>and fixmbr.
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
>>>>>>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
>>>>>>>>>drive:
>>>>>>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
>>>>>>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
>>>>>>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
>>>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
>>>>>>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
>>>>>>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
>>>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
>>>>>>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
>>>>>>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
>>>>>>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
>>>>>>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
>>>>>>>>>>suggested.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
>>>>>>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
>>>>>>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
>>>>>>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
>>>>>>>>>>>are available for selection:
>>>>>>>>>>>1. Component Services
>>>>>>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
>>>>>>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
>>>>>>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
>>>>>>>>>>>5. Services
>>>>>>>>>>>6. Computer Management
>>>>>>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
>>>>>>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>9. Performance
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
>>>>>>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
>>>>>>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
>>>>>>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
>>>>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
>>>>>>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
>>>>>>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
>>>>>>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
>>>>>>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
>>>>>>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
>>>>>>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
>>>>>>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>before doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How is this done? Once it is connected it requests a boot disk at
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>start-up.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Thanks for any help you can provide.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JohnH:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Maybe it's a good idea to start from the beginning, OK?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. Your old HDD booted without incident and functioned without any problems
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>when it was installed, right? Its only problem was its small disk capacity,
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Now you've purchased a large-capacity WD SATA HDD and a SATA controller
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>card for connecting that SATA HDD, yes? And you've installed the SATA
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>controller card with no problems, right?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Setting aside the disk copying program (Maxtor? WD?) you used to copy the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>contents of your old PATA HDD to the new SATA HDD...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How about making a fresh install of the XP OS onto your SATA HDD? Will it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>boot & function without any problems if you do this?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Would it be possible for you to do this and then install your programs on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the freshly-installed XP OS? I assume you would have no problem copying over
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your user-created data from the old HDD to the new SATA HDD, right? Or is it
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>too impractical to fresh install all your programs onto your new SATA HDD?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Anna
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>

[johnh]

I ran diskpart but cannot seem to remember my dos commands. How exactly
should the command line be? The drive letter is c: . The drive is DVR2_VOL1
..

"John John" wrote:

> It means the drive is already set active, which is the expected case on
> a single partition disk. If the partition is also shown as "System"
> then things there appear normal. To satisfy yourself you can run a
> DISKPART session and mark the partition active again. From the
> diskpart session you will receive confirmation that the partition has
> been set active. You can also boot with a Windows 98 boot disk and
> confirm or change the active flag of the partition using the FDISK command.
>
> So now, if the disk is still not bootable, you can try a repair
> installation... or rebuild the disc from scratch.
>
> John
>
>
> JohnH wrote:
> > I ran both fixboot and fixmbr but the drive seems to be unactive. The
> > selection "Mark as active is there but I am not able to highlight it (greyed
> > out). How do I make it active?
> >
> > "John John" wrote:
> >
> >
> >>Right clicking on the partition or using the | Action > All Tasks menu
> >>at the top of the console should show the option, either greyed out (the
> >>partition is already active) or usable to make the partition active.
> >>That the option doesn't show up at all is unusual, maybe because the MBR
> >>is screwed the option is not showing. Do the fixboot and fixmbr things
> >>in the Recovery Console then see if things change.
> >>
> >>There are other ways to mark the partition active, either with a Windows
> >>98 startup disk (using fdisk) or using the DISKPART command while in
> >>Windows XP. Do the fixes in the Recovery Console first and then we will
> >>address the active issue if needed.
> >>
> >>John
> >>
> >>
> >>JohnH wrote:
> >>
> >>
> >>>I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
> >>>clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and highlighted
> >>>the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
> >>>and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?
> >>>
> >>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>
> >>>>Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
> >>>>that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
> >>>>message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
> >>>>that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
> >>>>does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
> >>>>you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
> >>>>have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
> >>>>you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
> >>>>the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
> >>>>Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
> >>>>and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
> >>>>installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
> >>>>desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.
> >>>>
> >>>>If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
> >>>>option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
> >>>>commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
> >>>>article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
> >>>>just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
> >>>>certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
> >>>>of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
> >>>>was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
> >>>>you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
> >>>>out then the partition is probably active and ok.
> >>>>
> >>>>John
> >>>>
> >>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>
> >>>>>I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
> >>>>>repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
> >>>>>generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
> >>>>>to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
> >>>>>was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
> >>>>>on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
> >>>>>this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
> >>>>>not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
> >>>>>and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks
> >>>>>
> >>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>
> >>>>>>Run both commands.
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>John
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>
> >>>>>>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
> >>>>>>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
> >>>>>>>and fixmbr.
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
> >>>>>>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
> >>>>>>>>>drive:
> >>>>>>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
> >>>>>>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
> >>>>>>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
> >>>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
> >>>>>>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
> >>>>>>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
> >>>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
> >>>>>>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
> >>>>>>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
> >>>>>>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
> >>>>>>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
> >>>>>>>>>>suggested.
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
> >>>>>>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
> >>>>>>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
> >>>>>>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
> >>>>>>>>>>>are available for selection:
> >>>>>>>>>>>1. Component Services
> >>>>>>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
> >>>>>>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
> >>>>>>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
> >>>>>>>>>>>5. Services
> >>>>>>>>>>>6. Computer Management
> >>>>>>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
> >>>>>>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
> >>>>>>>>>>>9. Performance
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
> >>>>>>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
> >>>>>>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
> >>>>>>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
> >>>>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
> >>>>>>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
> >>>>>>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
> >>>>>>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
> >>>>>>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
> >>>>>>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
> >>>>>>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
> >>>>>>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>John
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>before doing this.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it?
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>
> >>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
> ...

[John John]

The important thing to remember is that the "object" has to have
"focus". You obtain focus by using the SELECT command. The commands
for the task (at the DISKPART> prompt) and the typical output would be
like so:


C:\>diskpart

Microsoft DiskPart version 5.1.3553
Copyright (C) 1999-2001 Microsoft Corporation.
On computer: MyComputer

DISKPART> list disk

Disk ### Status Size Free Dyn Gpt
-------- ---------- ------- ------- --- ---
Disk 0 Online 75 GB 0 B
Disk 1 Online 37 GB 23 GB

DISKPART> select disk 0

Disk 0 is now the selected disk.

DISKPART> list partition

Partition ### Type Size Offset
------------- ---------------- ------- -------
Partition 1 Primary 25 GB 32 KB
Partition 2 Primary 50 GB 25 GB

DISKPART> select partition 1

Partition 1 is now the selected partition.

DISKPART> active

DiskPart marked the current partition as active.

DISKPART> exit

Leaving DiskPart...

C:\>

You can do the same thing starting with the "list volume" instead of
the "list disk" command, then selecting volumes to gain focus.

At this point I haste to point out that this is mostly for educational
purposes and for you to gain an inner working knowledge of disks and
partitions and how Windows works with them. For all intents and
purposes it is quite improbable that fiddling with diskpart will cure
you boot problems. You will have to reinstall the operating system,
that failing you will have to rebuild the disk. The mbr disk was not
properly prepared before you ran the cloning operation and the cloning
operation failed to properly prepare it.

John

PS. If you get to the point where you need to rebuild the disk there is
one last desparate last ditch attempt that you can try before you redo
the disk. It involves using a Windows 98 boot disk and the fdisk /mbr
command to fix the MBR.

JohnH wrote:

> I ran diskpart but cannot seem to remember my dos commands. How exactly
> should the command line be? The drive letter is c: . The drive is DVR2_VOL1
> .
>
> "John John" wrote:
>
>
>>It means the drive is already set active, which is the expected case on
>>a single partition disk. If the partition is also shown as "System"
>>then things there appear normal. To satisfy yourself you can run a
>>DISKPART session and mark the partition active again. From the
>>diskpart session you will receive confirmation that the partition has
>>been set active. You can also boot with a Windows 98 boot disk and
>>confirm or change the active flag of the partition using the FDISK command.
>>
>>So now, if the disk is still not bootable, you can try a repair
>>installation... or rebuild the disc from scratch.
>>
>>John
>>
>>
>>JohnH wrote:
>>
>>>I ran both fixboot and fixmbr but the drive seems to be unactive. The
>>>selection "Mark as active is there but I am not able to highlight it (greyed
>>>out). How do I make it active?
>>>
>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>>Right clicking on the partition or using the | Action > All Tasks menu
>>>>at the top of the console should show the option, either greyed out (the
>>>>partition is already active) or usable to make the partition active.
>>>>That the option doesn't show up at all is unusual, maybe because the MBR
>>>>is screwed the option is not showing. Do the fixboot and fixmbr things
>>>>in the Recovery Console then see if things change.
>>>>
>>>>There are other ways to mark the partition active, either with a Windows
>>>>98 startup disk (using fdisk) or using the DISKPART command while in
>>>>Windows XP. Do the fixes in the Recovery Console first and then we will
>>>>address the active issue if needed.
>>>>
>>>>John
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>>I simply did not see the option at all. I went to my computer and right
>>>>>clicked and selected manage. I the selected disk management and highlighted
>>>>>the drive. The info I listed was from that and I also right clicked on it
>>>>>and that option was not there. Am I in the wrong place to check that?
>>>>>
>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>>>Do the fixboot and fixmbr commands in the Recovery Console. The warning
>>>>>>that you get when you issue the fixmbr command is a standard warning
>>>>>>message for that procedure. I can't guarantee anything, it is possible
>>>>>>that fixing (re-writing) the MBR may make the disc inaccessible but that
>>>>>>does not happen very often for standard MBR discs. It is a risk that
>>>>>>you will have to take if you want to try to fix the problem, you still
>>>>>>have your original disc as a backup, right? So if things go ka-boom!
>>>>>>you have a backup to rely on. Incidentally I think that the reason that
>>>>>>the disc doesn't want to boot is because it doesn't have a proper Master
>>>>>>Boot Record, it wasn't done by the cloning operation. Run the commands
>>>>>>and see what happens. At this point to attempt to repair the
>>>>>>installation you have to accept the risk that things may not turn out as
>>>>>>desired, but you have to take the risk and at least try.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>If running the commands doesn't fix the problem then you can use the F10
>>>>>>option to install Windows and do an In-Place Upgrade, or what is more
>>>>>>commonly called a "Repair Install". There is a link to a Microsoft
>>>>>>article explaining this proceedure in an earlier post, basically you
>>>>>>just reinstall Windows over itself. Also, I'm still somewhat not
>>>>>>certain that your partition is marked or flagged as active. The results
>>>>>>of our earlier test in the Disk Management console were not conclusive,
>>>>>>was the option to do so there but simply unavailable (greyed out) or did
>>>>>>you not see any option to do so at all? If it was there but just greyed
>>>>>>out then the partition is probably active and ok.
>>>>>>
>>>>>>John
>>>>>>
>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>
>>>>>>>I noticed that when I hit the F10 key to bring up the option to go into the
>>>>>>>repair console I am also given the option of loading XP. Would loading this
>>>>>>>generate the boot sector I need? I entered the repair console and pressed F6
>>>>>>>to load the Sato/150 PCI Card from a disk then I went into the console and
>>>>>>>was going to run fixmbr but it said that if I proceeded I would erase the mbr
>>>>>>>on it and it may make it unaccessable. Is this a normal warning given when
>>>>>>>this command is run? I did not proceed and exited to get your opinion. I do
>>>>>>>not mean to be so cautious but I have been frustrated with this for a week
>>>>>>>and do not wish to do any damage and ask for your patience with me. Thanks
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>Run both commands.
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>I did but there was no option to make it active/inactive. I want to try and
>>>>>>>>>run the Repair Console so do I need to run just fixboot or run both fixboot
>>>>>>>>>and fixmbr.
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>It's probably already active but just to make sure right click on it and
>>>>>>>>>>see if it can be made active in the context menu.
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>I went into disk management and it had the following information about the
>>>>>>>>>>>drive:
>>>>>>>>>>>DRV2_VOL1 (C:), Type= Basic, Status= Online, Partition Style= Master Boot
>>>>>>>>>>>Record(MBR). I did not see " active" but it stated Healthy System.
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Use the password for the "Built-In" Administrator account, not your
>>>>>>>>>>>>account. When you log on to the Recovery Console you do so with the
>>>>>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account. More often than not the password for
>>>>>>>>>>>>the account was left blank, you can just try pressing <Enter>. If you
>>>>>>>>>>>>have administrative privileges you can change the password for the
>>>>>>>>>>>>Built-In Administrator account, that way you will be sure that you have
>>>>>>>>>>>>the right password when you try to access the Recovery Console.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>Also, while your installation is up and running use the Disk Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>tool and make sure that you have a properly identified System Partition
>>>>>>>>>>>>and that it is marked as "Active". If it is so identified and marked
>>>>>>>>>>>>and still won't boot then do both commands (fixmbr & fixboot) as Ron
>>>>>>>>>>>>suggested.
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I am set as the administrator but my password does not work with the Recovery
>>>>>>>>>>>>>Console. I switched to classic view and went to the Admin Tools to enable
>>>>>>>>>>>>>this, but there was not a Local Security Policy file or folder to click on
>>>>>>>>>>>>>as instructed by your knowledge base article. The following files or folders
>>>>>>>>>>>>>are available for selection:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. Component Services
>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Data Sources (ODBC)
>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Event Viewer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>4. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Wizards
>>>>>>>>>>>>>5. Services
>>>>>>>>>>>>>6. Computer Management
>>>>>>>>>>>>>7. Desktop.ini
>>>>>>>>>>>>>8. Microsoft .Net Framework 1.1 Configuration
>>>>>>>>>>>>>9. Performance
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>I was able to boot the system with the XP cd but I believe that a boot
>>>>>>>>>>>>>sector must be missing as per Ron's advice. Any help with the admin password
>>>>>>>>>>>>>should get me access to fix it. Do I need to run both fixmbr and fixboot or
>>>>>>>>>>>>>just fixboot alone?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>"John John" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Do as Ron suggested, if it works it's the easiest way to get your
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>installation up and running again.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Description of the Windows XP Recovery Console
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314058
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Note that you may have to press the F6 key early in the setup process
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>and have the Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card drivers on a diskette so that the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>setup program may load them and properly identify your disc. See here
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for information on storage controller drivers and Windows setup:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://support.microsoft.com/kb/314859
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Another quick check you can try is to see if you can boot the computer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>with a startup floppy diskette. See here for information on how to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>create such a disk: http://www.nu2.nu/bootdisk/ntboot/ Note that with
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>your hard disc on the Maxtor controller you will probably have to edit
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the rdisk value in the boot.ini file, you can use the MAP ARC command
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>in the Recovery Console to get the proper ARC path and rdisk value for
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the boot.ini file. See here for more information:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/bootcons_map.mspx?mfr=true
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>JohnH wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If I understand you correctly you want me to try and do a fresh install of
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the Windows XP w/SP2. It would take awhile but I am willing to start fresh
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>if it gets the new HDD in and the small out. I just have a few questions
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>before doing this.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>1. The Windows XP was an upgrade from the Windows Me that was installed in
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the system and all I got was a restore disk. Do I need the Windows Me disk?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>2. Can just booting the the XP upgrade work without an OS in place?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>3. Do you know if it is reccomended to disable the motherboard IDE or just
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>leave on auto?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Anna" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I bought a Western Digital 160GB Caviar SE EIDE Drive. My motherboard
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>is older so I was instructed to add a Maxtor SATO/150 PCI Card so the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>full capacity of the HDD would be detected. I connected it and copied the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive over to it. After completion I was instructed to disconnect
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old and put the new in it's place. Upon restart it ask for a boot disk
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>be installed. When I bought the system it had Windows ME on it and I do
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>not have a software disk but I was given a restore disk. I later
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgraded
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>to Windows XP w/ SP2. Can I use the restore disk or the Windows XP
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>upgrade disk as the boot disc. The support from Western Digital states
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>that it may
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>need to be done and some not, so I am confused as to how to make this as
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>quick and painless as posible. I also would like to know if disabling
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>the the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>primary IDE off the motherboard in the CMOS would help too.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Ron Sommer" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>The new disk needs a boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>If you just copied the partition, you didn't get the boot sector.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>You can run fixmbr and fixboot.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>--
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Ronald Sommer
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
...
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>I used the HDD Installation Tool software to copy the partition from the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>old drive to the new, I guess that would be a clone. The transfer seemed
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>uneventful and removal of the old drive was done. It seems to be asking
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>for a boot disk upon reboot once the old drive is removed. Can the
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>Windows ME
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>restore disk be used? Can the Windows XP w/SP2 upgrade be used? Anymore
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>advice would be greatly appreciated.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"Rich Barry" wrote:
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>John, you may have a setting in the Bios for that Maxtor Card. In
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>there will give you the ability to select the boot disk.
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>How did you copy the old drive to the new? Did you image it or clone
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>it?
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>
>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>"JohnH" > wrote in message
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