Another motherboard swap saga

[lurker]

boot.ini is defined as

1) rdisk(0) partition(1)Windows XP Home Home
2) rdisk)1) partition(1) Windows 2000 Professional
3) rdisk(0) partition(2) Windows 2000 Professional

eMachine
No AGP slot, using motherboard video
Motherboard croaked.

Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not using it. I am using the motherboard video.

All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.

Both Windows 2000 partitions boot ans show the
Windows 2000 Professional Splash screen a while, then the blue screen

STOP: 0x0000007B 0xEB81B84C 0x00000034 Zeroed out...
INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE


I tried installing an AGP video card but symptoms did not change.

I booted the Drive Image 7 recovery CD and it all came up and I could see all the drives and partitions.

I installed a used drive (only) to see if I could install Windows 2000 and indeed it installed okay.

How do I repair my good partitions so they boot?

[lurker]

lurker wrote:
> boot.ini is defined as
>
> 1) rdisk(0) partition(1)Windows XP Home Home
> 2) rdisk)1) partition(1) Windows 2000 Professional
> 3) rdisk(0) partition(2) Windows 2000 Professional
>
> eMachine
> No AGP slot, using motherboard video
> Motherboard croaked.
>
> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not using
> it. I am using the motherboard video.
>
> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>
> Both Windows 2000 partitions boot ans show the
> Windows 2000 Professional Splash screen a while, then the blue screen
>
> STOP: 0x0000007B 0xEB81B84C 0x00000034 Zeroed out...
> INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>
>
> I tried installing an AGP video card but symptoms did not change.
>
> I booted the Drive Image 7 recovery CD and it all came up and I could
> see all the drives and partitions.
>
> I installed a used drive (only) to see if I could install Windows 2000
> and indeed it installed okay.
>
> How do I repair my good partitions so they boot?

More information...
The Windows XP Home partition is a RETAIL version.

Carl

[Ken Blake, MVP]

lurker wrote:

> Motherboard croaked.
>
> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not
> using it. I am using the motherboard video.
> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.


You can't simply replace a motherboard and expect WIndows XP to continue
running. Unless the new motherboard is almost identical to the old one, at
the very least, you'll have to do a Repair Installation. See "How to Perform
a
Windows XP Repair Install" at
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

That usually works, but If the new motherboard is different enough, it may
not, and you will need to reinstall cleanly, losing all your data and
everything else on the drive.


--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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[lurker]

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> lurker wrote:
>
>> Motherboard croaked.
>>
>> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not
>> using it. I am using the motherboard video.
>> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
>> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>
>
> You can't simply replace a motherboard and expect WIndows XP to continue
> running. Unless the new motherboard is almost identical to the old one, at
> the very least, you'll have to do a Repair Installation. See "How to Perform
> a
> Windows XP Repair Install" at
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
> That usually works, but If the new motherboard is different enough, it may
> not, and you will need to reinstall cleanly, losing all your data and
> everything else on the drive.
>
>

I'm sorry, but respectfully, that is the most unreasonable attitude I have encountered in a while.

AS a consumer and a customer with a retail version of both Windows 2000 Professional And Windows XP Home, I think it is
reasonable to expect to be able to replace failed hardware... no matter if one month into warranty, or one month out of
warranty, without having to be an I.T. support department, or pay dearly as a casual home user.

I think is reasonable to expect my imaged hard drive to function on a new hard drive, or the working existing hard drive
to function well enough to upgrade drivers or whatever else might be required. Anything less is total disrespect for
paying customer. It is that attitude that has driven the move away from Windows.

I do agree with the position that Microsoft has taken on OEM licenses.

I respect that Microsoft can be that way when they seem to own the "only game in town." ...well, almost. So sad.

[Ken Blake, MVP]

lurker wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> lurker wrote:
>>
>>> Motherboard croaked.
>>>
>>> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not
>>> using it. I am using the motherboard video.
>>> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
>>> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>>
>>
>> You can't simply replace a motherboard and expect WIndows XP to
>> continue running. Unless the new motherboard is almost identical to
>> the old one, at the very least, you'll have to do a Repair
>> Installation. See "How to Perform a
>> Windows XP Repair Install" at
>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>>
>> That usually works, but If the new motherboard is different enough,
>> it may not, and you will need to reinstall cleanly, losing all your
>> data and everything else on the drive.
>>
>>
>
> I'm sorry, but respectfully, that is the most unreasonable attitude I
> have encountered in a while.


This has nothing to do with my attitude. I've explained the way that it
works. You are welcome to not like that way, but neither you nor I have
anything to say about it.

Feel free to ignore what I've explained and continue to try to do whatever
you want.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
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[lurker]

lurker wrote:
> boot.ini is defined as
>
> 1) rdisk(0) partition(1)Windows XP Home Home
> 2) rdisk)1) partition(1) Windows 2000 Professional
> 3) rdisk(0) partition(2) Windows 2000 Professional
>
> eMachine
> No AGP slot, using motherboard video
> Motherboard croaked.
>
> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not using
> it. I am using the motherboard video.
>
> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>
> Both Windows 2000 partitions boot ans show the
> Windows 2000 Professional Splash screen a while, then the blue screen
>
> STOP: 0x0000007B 0xEB81B84C 0x00000034 Zeroed out...
> INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>
>
> I tried installing an AGP video card but symptoms did not change.
>
> I booted the Drive Image 7 recovery CD and it all came up and I could
> see all the drives and partitions.
>
> I installed a used drive (only) to see if I could install Windows 2000
> and indeed it installed okay.
>
> How do I repair my good partitions so they boot?


Wow, That link ken gave me is awesome!!
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm

If I had seen it before, it would NOT have helped me in this case. It does not address a failed motherboard or similar
failures where one has no opportunity to "plan a swap."

Having tried "Repair" on one of the Windows 2000 partitions, (and it did not help the problem at all,) I suspect I have
a video 'driver' problem. Whatever that detail is, possibly it is related to the "on board Video". The BIOS of the new
motherboard allows selecting AGP or PCI. That's the only choice. I have tried both settings, with and without an AGP
card. The failure remains unaffected.

I can mount the hard drive as "another drive" in a different system. From there, I can replace and files. I have a
registry editor that I can actually edit the remote registry. (Resplendent Registrar)

With that said, can anyone guide me to change the failing system so it will start up in basic, raw 16 color VGA mode?

Carl

[Kerry Brown]

You'll have to do repair installs on all three of the Windows installations.
Start with the Win2k ones or you will lose the multi boot setup.

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"lurker" > wrote in message
...
> boot.ini is defined as
>
> 1) rdisk(0) partition(1)Windows XP Home Home
> 2) rdisk)1) partition(1) Windows 2000 Professional
> 3) rdisk(0) partition(2) Windows 2000 Professional
>
> eMachine
> No AGP slot, using motherboard video
> Motherboard croaked.
>
> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not using
> it. I am using the motherboard video.
>
> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts running
> the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>
> Both Windows 2000 partitions boot ans show the
> Windows 2000 Professional Splash screen a while, then the blue screen
>
> STOP: 0x0000007B 0xEB81B84C 0x00000034 Zeroed out...
> INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>
>
> I tried installing an AGP video card but symptoms did not change.
>
> I booted the Drive Image 7 recovery CD and it all came up and I could see
> all the drives and partitions.
>
> I installed a used drive (only) to see if I could install Windows 2000 and
> indeed it installed okay.
>
> How do I repair my good partitions so they boot?

[Kerry Brown]

From the stop error and the problem description it sounds more like a hard
drive controller error. See the following link.

http://support.microsoft.com/?kbid=316401&sd=RMVP

--
Kerry Brown
Microsoft MVP - Shell/User
http://www.vistahelp.ca


"lurker" > wrote in message
...
> lurker wrote:
>> boot.ini is defined as
>>
>> 1) rdisk(0) partition(1)Windows XP Home Home
>> 2) rdisk)1) partition(1) Windows 2000 Professional
>> 3) rdisk(0) partition(2) Windows 2000 Professional
>>
>> eMachine
>> No AGP slot, using motherboard video
>> Motherboard croaked.
>>
>> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not using
>> it. I am using the motherboard video.
>>
>> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
>> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>>
>> Both Windows 2000 partitions boot ans show the
>> Windows 2000 Professional Splash screen a while, then the blue screen
>>
>> STOP: 0x0000007B 0xEB81B84C 0x00000034 Zeroed out...
>> INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>>
>>
>> I tried installing an AGP video card but symptoms did not change.
>>
>> I booted the Drive Image 7 recovery CD and it all came up and I could see
>> all the drives and partitions.
>>
>> I installed a used drive (only) to see if I could install Windows 2000
>> and indeed it installed okay.
>>
>> How do I repair my good partitions so they boot?
>
>
> Wow, That link ken gave me is awesome!!
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
> If I had seen it before, it would NOT have helped me in this case. It
> does not address a failed motherboard or similar failures where one has no
> opportunity to "plan a swap."
>
> Having tried "Repair" on one of the Windows 2000 partitions, (and it did
> not help the problem at all,) I suspect I have a video 'driver' problem.
> Whatever that detail is, possibly it is related to the "on board Video".
> The BIOS of the new motherboard allows selecting AGP or PCI. That's the
> only choice. I have tried both settings, with and without an AGP card.
> The failure remains unaffected.
>
> I can mount the hard drive as "another drive" in a different system. From
> there, I can replace and files. I have a registry editor that I can
> actually edit the remote registry. (Resplendent Registrar)
>
> With that said, can anyone guide me to change the failing system so it
> will start up in basic, raw 16 color VGA mode?
>
> Carl

[lurker]

Kerry Brown wrote:
> You'll have to do repair installs on all three of the Windows
> installations. Start with the Win2k ones or you will lose the multi boot
> setup.
>
I can handle boot.ini without any problem.

I performed a Repair on one of the Windows 2000 partitions and it acomplished nothing.
I will later try it on Windows XP to see if it fares better.

I like the pointer to the IDE controller issue. I'll purse that concept.

Carl

[lurker]

Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
> lurker wrote:
>
>> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>>> lurker wrote:
>>>
>>>> Motherboard croaked.
>>>>
>>>> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not
>>>> using it. I am using the motherboard video.
>>>> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
>>>> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>>>
>>> You can't simply replace a motherboard and expect WIndows XP to
>>> continue running. Unless the new motherboard is almost identical to
>>> the old one, at the very least, you'll have to do a Repair
>>> Installation. See "How to Perform a
>>> Windows XP Repair Install" at
>>> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>>>
>>> That usually works, but If the new motherboard is different enough,
>>> it may not, and you will need to reinstall cleanly, losing all your
>>> data and everything else on the drive.
>>>
>>>
>> I'm sorry, but respectfully, that is the most unreasonable attitude I
>> have encountered in a while.
>
>
> This has nothing to do with my attitude. I've explained the way that it
> works. You are welcome to not like that way, but neither you nor I have
> anything to say about it.
>
> Feel free to ignore what I've explained and continue to try to do whatever
> you want.
>


Sorry about that.
You are right.
I was a bit out of place in the comment.

Carl

[WWW]

lurker wrote:
> lurker wrote:
>> boot.ini is defined as
>>
>> 1) rdisk(0) partition(1)Windows XP Home Home
>> 2) rdisk)1) partition(1) Windows 2000 Professional
>> 3) rdisk(0) partition(2) Windows 2000 Professional
>>
>> eMachine
>> No AGP slot, using motherboard video
>> Motherboard croaked.
>>
>> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not
>> using it. I am using the motherboard video.
>>
>> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
>> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>>
>> Both Windows 2000 partitions boot ans show the
>> Windows 2000 Professional Splash screen a while, then the blue screen
>>
>> STOP: 0x0000007B 0xEB81B84C 0x00000034 Zeroed out...
>> INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>>
>>
>> I tried installing an AGP video card but symptoms did not change.
>>
>> I booted the Drive Image 7 recovery CD and it all came up and I could
>> see all the drives and partitions.
>>
>> I installed a used drive (only) to see if I could install Windows 2000
>> and indeed it installed okay.
>>
>> How do I repair my good partitions so they boot?
>
>
> Wow, That link ken gave me is awesome!!
> http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/XPrepairinstall.htm
>
> If I had seen it before, it would NOT have helped me in this case. It
> does not address a failed motherboard or similar failures where one has
> no opportunity to "plan a swap."
>
> Having tried "Repair" on one of the Windows 2000 partitions, (and it did
> not help the problem at all,) I suspect I have a video 'driver'
> problem. Whatever that detail is, possibly it is related to the "on
> board Video". The BIOS of the new motherboard allows selecting AGP or
> PCI. That's the only choice. I have tried both settings, with and
> without an AGP card. The failure remains unaffected.
>
> I can mount the hard drive as "another drive" in a different system.
> From there, I can replace and files. I have a registry editor that I
> can actually edit the remote registry. (Resplendent Registrar)
>
> With that said, can anyone guide me to change the failing system so it
> will start up in basic, raw 16 color VGA mode?
>
> Carl


If your new motherboard came with a driver disk try installing those.

[Ken Blake, MVP]

lurker wrote:

> Ken Blake, MVP wrote:
>> lurker wrote:

>>>> That usually works, but If the new motherboard is different enough,
>>>> it may not, and you will need to reinstall cleanly, losing all your
>>>> data and everything else on the drive.
>>>>
>>>>
>>> I'm sorry, but respectfully, that is the most unreasonable attitude
>>> I have encountered in a while.
>>
>>
>> This has nothing to do with my attitude. I've explained the way that
>> it works. You are welcome to not like that way, but neither you nor
>> I have anything to say about it.
>>
>> Feel free to ignore what I've explained and continue to try to do
>> whatever you want.
>>
>
>
> Sorry about that.
> You are right.
> I was a bit out of place in the comment.


Thank you for the apology. Accepted.

--
Ken Blake - Microsoft MVP Windows: Shell/User
Please reply to the newsgroup

[Bruce Chambers]

lurker wrote:
> boot.ini is defined as
>
> 1) rdisk(0) partition(1)Windows XP Home Home
> 2) rdisk)1) partition(1) Windows 2000 Professional
> 3) rdisk(0) partition(2) Windows 2000 Professional
>
> eMachine
> No AGP slot, using motherboard video
> Motherboard croaked.
>
> Replaced with MSI motherboard that does have AGP slot but I am not using
> it. I am using the motherboard video.
>
> All three bootable OS's get started, but quickly crash. XP starts
> running the progress bar then spontaneously reboots.
>
> Both Windows 2000 partitions boot ans show the
> Windows 2000 Professional Splash screen a while, then the blue screen
>
> STOP: 0x0000007B 0xEB81B84C 0x00000034 Zeroed out...
> INACCESSIBLE_BOOT_DEVICE
>
>
> I tried installing an AGP video card but symptoms did not change.
>
> I booted the Drive Image 7 recovery CD and it all came up and I could
> see all the drives and partitions.
>
> I installed a used drive (only) to see if I could install Windows 2000
> and indeed it installed okay.
>
> How do I repair my good partitions so they boot?


Normally, and assuming a retail license (many factory-installed OEM
installations are BIOS-locked to a specific chipset and therefore are
*not* transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before starting),
unless the new motherboard is virtually identical (same chipset, same
IDE controllers, same BIOS version, etc.) to the one on which the WinXP
installation was originally performed, you'll need to perform a repair
(a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very least:

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows XP
http://support.microsoft.com/directory/article.asp?ID=KB;EN-US;Q315341

Changing a Motherboard or Moving a Hard Drive with WinXP Installed
http://www.michaelstevenstech.com/moving_xp.html

The "why" is quite simple, really, and has nothing to do with
licensing issues, per se; it's a purely technical matter, at this point.
You've pulled the proverbial hardware rug out from under the OS. (If
you don't like -- or get -- the rug analogy, think of it as picking up a
Cape Cod style home and then setting it down onto a Ranch style
foundation. It just isn't going to fit.) WinXP, like Win2K before it,
is not nearly as "promiscuous" as Win9x when it comes to accepting any
old hardware configuration you throw at it. On installation it
"tailors" itself to the specific hardware found. This is one of the
reasons that the entire WinNT/2K/XP OS family is so much more stable
than the Win9x group.

As always when undertaking such a significant change, back up any
important data before starting.

This will also probably require re-activation, unless you have a
Volume Licensed version of WinXP Pro installed. If it's been more than
120 days since you last activated that specific Product Key, you'll most
likely be able to activate via the Internet without problem. If it's
been less, you might have to make a 5 minute phone call.

Normally, and assuming a retail license (many OEM installations and
licenses are not transferable to a new motherboard - check yours before
starting), unless the new motherboard is virtually identical to the old
one (same chipset, IDE/SCSI controllers, etc), you'll most likely need
to perform a repair (a.k.a. in-place upgrade) installation, at the very
least (and don't forget to reinstall any service packs and subsequent
hot fixes):

How to Perform an In-Place Upgrade of Windows 2000
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q292175

What an In-Place Win2K Upgrade Changes and What It Doesn't
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=kb;en-us;Q306952

If that fails:

How to Move a Windows 2000 Installation to Different Hardware
http://support.microsoft.com/default.aspx?scid=KB;EN-US;Q249694&ID=KB;EN-US;Q249694


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