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D. Spencer Hines
February 24th 07, 08:47 PM
Recte:

Yours is a very honest, straightforward answer -- the first one I've
received....

After all the pompous bafflegab.

Thank you kindly.

Comments below.

DSH

"Adam Albright" > wrote in message
...
> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:46:20 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"

> > wrote:
>
>>Yes, I understand that Vista "only" consumes about 9 GB of disk space
>>after installation is complete, depending on what is installed.
>>
>>But I'm currently running XP Pro and even with all my programs installed
>>and many other files in storage, I'm only consuming 16.44 GB.
>>
>>What I need to know is what this very bloated piece of software called
>>Vista will do for me that XP Pro won't and I still haven't heard it.
>>
>>I need TEN Good Reasons why I should upgrade to Vista and I've yet to hear
>>them.
>>
>>Microsoft needs to do a better marketing job on Vista.
>>
>>I'm very Pro-Microsoft, a stockholder and long-time user -- but Microsoft
>>needs to SHOW ME the advantages of Vista -- and "Transparent Windows" and
>>other rinky-dink cosmetic enhancement simply don't cut it.
>
> Me too, I'm also pro Microsoft, a long time user and stockholder.
>>
>>TEN Good Reasons to buy Vista -- in bullet form, like this:
>
> I can't give you five "good" reasons. That begs the question why I and
> others did upgrade. Ok, a fair question.
>
> For me, and I'm sure it is true for a lot of people I upgraded for a
> single reason, I sometimes still dabble in writing code, I'm still
> fairly active in creating web content and since I also author a lot of
> DVD content I NEED to see how each new OS performs. As simple as that.

Fair Enough.

> While Vista is being touted as a new "major" release, I don't see it
> that way. To me and to many, it is mostly a face lift and a needed
> one. Windows in XP was getting tired looking and a bit behind the
> times. Vista, especially if your system can support Aero is slicker,
> visually. I guess that's a benefit, but hardly one that justifies the
> cost of upgrading.

Bingo!

I use the Windows Classical look. I don't want my computer to look like a
jukebox. "Slicker" is not something I cherish -- either in friends, women,
politicians or operating systems.

> Several little things have been fixed. About time! One thing I do like
> is now with Windows Explorer when you drag and drop files you get a
> tiny little pop up that TELLS you what folder you're over which avoids
> a long time annoyance of mine, hoving over a folder and if you do it
> hundreds of times a day it was too easy to be in a hurry and "drop"
> the file in the folder above or below your intented target. Now that's
> less likely.

That's Nice -- An enhancement.

> Vista's help system is much improved over XP. So it now details about
> where your files are for example when clicking on Start than All
> Programs. No more annoying ever expanding to the right list that takes
> over your monitor. Now each category opens in the same window and
> scrolls in place. Takes a little getting used to, but better once you
> get use to the change.

I prefer manuals -- which have been deep-sixed -- unless we pay extra.

> Believe it or not (except for UAC) Vista is less of a nag and actually
> tries to be more helpful. Little windows pop up and give more specific
> information like when installing new hardware, information in Event
> logs is better, Control Panel has undergone a major face lift.

I installed IE7 TWICE and pulled it OFF twice. HORRIBLE Nag -- worse than
three mothers-in-law at dinner. <g>

Now, Windows Update tells me I have HIDDEN a Critical Update and will surely
Go To Hell with viruses and Trojans besieging me.

I don't need that. I am the master of my OWN computer.

> I'm sure there are many improvements under the hood I haven't had time
> to explore yet. These and any one of many little things may be enough
> for somebody to consider upgrading a good idea. Asking to make a list
> is simply too difficult not knowing everybody's likes or dislikes in
> XP and saying if or not they've been fixed, or made worse.

If they are TRUE improvements they will be obvious. Take Microsoft Windows
TrueType Fonts, for example --- THEY were an item worthy of listing on the
TEN bullet list at the time -- and finished Bitstream Fonts for most of us.

> One thing that does seem to be a glaring mistake was forcing UAC on
> users without asking if they wanted it forcing you to discover how to
> turn UAC off as opposed to learning on to turn it on if you want it.

PRECISELY! That was similar to the Chinese Communists taking over Hong
Kong. VERY POOR MARKETING and STRATEGY by Microsoft -- HEADS SHOULD ROLL.

You simply don't treat Americans like that -- or anyone else for that
matter. I ran into it on IE7 and trashed it.

Bill Gates' departure from the hands-on led to these disasters?

> I bet that will get changed. Quick. Its ****ing off a lot of users.

Too slow for me. That's why I'll be waiting for SP2 -- AND the software
manufactures to catch up, change their drivers, work out bugs and so forth.

You were RIGHT -- you didn't even come up with FIVE Good Reasons. <g>

But Thanks Anyway.

Cheers,

DSH

johnm
February 24th 07, 10:08 PM
"D. Spencer Hines" > wrote in message
...

> After all the pompous bafflegab.

Loved it.... ROFL

> I use the Windows Classical look. I don't want my computer to look like a
> jukebox. "Slicker" is not something I cherish -- either in friends,
> women,
> politicians or operating systems.

ROFL ....again

cquirke (MVP Windows shell/user)
March 3rd 07, 11:50 AM
On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 20:47:50 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
>"Adam Albright" > wrote in message
>> On Sat, 24 Feb 2007 15:46:20 -0000, "D. Spencer Hines"
>> > wrote:

>> While Vista is being touted as a new "major" release, I don't see it
>> that way. To me and to many, it is mostly a face lift and a needed
>> one. Windows in XP was getting tired looking

I've seen a lot of "reviews" like that, first focusing on looks, and
then saying they don't need looks.... while completely missing the
deeper changes going on in the background.

The point is so missed, it's hardly worth commenting further.

>> Several little things have been fixed. About time! One thing I do like
>> is now with Windows Explorer when you drag and drop files you get a
>> tiny little pop up that TELLS you what folder you're over

>That's Nice -- An enhancement.

Yes, there are few of those... collectively, they do mount up to a
large "nice to have". I mean, Win3.yuk's File Damager was "enough",
wasn't it? We don't really need Explorer's ability to browse multiple
HDs as a contiguous name space, or have actions other than "Open" in
right-click menus? Who needs two mouse buttons, anyway?

I think we'll come to appreciate some new Vista UI elements as being
as hard to do without. The Vista UI may be shiny, but it isn't quite
as asinine as XP's native Toyland-on-Valium look (yep, I go "classic")

>I installed IE7 TWICE and pulled it OFF twice. HORRIBLE Nag -- worse than
>three mothers-in-law at dinner. <g>

Tools, Options, Settings. I don't recall any nags in IE7, except that
web sites aren't allowed to silently run ActiveX crap behind my back.

I like nags like that, for the same reason I like the alarm going off
when someone breaks into my house.

I also much prefer IE7 to IE6, and wouldn't go back for anything. A
web browser without tabbed browsing is like a car stuck in first gear.

Between Firefox and IE7, there are plusses and minuses on both sides;
IE7's multi-tab preview, Firefox's spell checker. But IE6? No way...

>I don't need that. I am the master of my OWN computer.

FLW... whenever I see that, I can see that someone just doesn't "get"
it. Usually the same folks will also go on about how Windows is such
easy prey to viruses, etc... they just can't join the dots.

The design of NT, which we as consumers have been force-fed since XP,
is that anything that happens while you are logged on, is deemed to be
the result of your intentions. So if you run something accidentally,
it can do anything you can do. You can be spoofed to run things, the
machine can be spoofed to run things, and most usually the machine is
spoofed to mis-represent things so that you choose to run them.

Once the stuff is running, there are no further barriers to what
malware can do... in the original NT model.

Vista adds a belated awareness that all manner of crap gets to run
without the user's intent, and sets about raising a few hurdles within
the system. So it seems a bit daft to be asked "do you want to format
D:" just after you've gone Rt-click D:, Format, it makes more sense
when you're asked that after "just" installing a screensaver.

The funny thing is, these "admin prompts" are commonplace in Linux and
MacOS, often requiring a password to continue. It's almost like MS is
playing catch-up, and yet folks react as if it's a new-fangled thing.

>If they are TRUE improvements they will be obvious.

Er... nope. This isn't the Land of Oz anymore; what you can't see,
can and probably will hurt you.

>Bill Gates' departure from the hands-on led to these disasters?

Hardley. How much can one top management person affect what is being
coded on the ground? It always amuses me when folks write as if Myt
Gates is personally writing every line of code, and not only that, but
with the intention of ****ing them off. Stuff like "Bill Gates
deleted my Word Perfect macro settings!!" etc.

I don't see UAC as a "disaster", but a necessary stop-gap step on the
way to a more sensible safety/security model. Compare it with the
earliest days of Plug-n-Play... is anyone still saying "I want to set
my own IRQs via jumpers!" and "16 IRQs is enough for anybody", etc.?

And I hope MS doesn't back down on UAC. The reason we have to have
things like UAC now, is because sware vendors are STILL shipping
games, accounting packages etc. that require you to run with admin
rights, after 5 years of XP. Given that most of NT's "better
security" over Win9x hinges on account rights, and that current sware
forces us to lose those protections, something was needed to be done.



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