Runing out of Memory

[Moshe Rosenberg]

I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
physical ram.

I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
day.

See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:

http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg

This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.

What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
using les than 30% of PF.

Where is the bottleneck??

Any help would be appreciated!

[flamer [email protected]]

On Jul 3, 9:08 am, Moshe Rosenberg
> wrote:
> I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
> physical ram.
>
> I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
> few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
> minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
> day.
>
> See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>
> http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>
> This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>
> What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
> using les than 30% of PF.
>
> Where is the bottleneck??
>
> Any help would be appreciated!

have you run a virus scan?

Flamer.

[Moshe Rosenberg]

Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.

"flamer " wrote:

> On Jul 3, 9:08 am, Moshe Rosenberg
> > wrote:
> > I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
> > physical ram.
> >
> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
> > day.
> >
> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
> >
> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
> >
> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
> >
> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
> > using les than 30% of PF.
> >
> > Where is the bottleneck??
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated!
>
> have you run a virus scan?
>
> Flamer.
>
>

[Bassplayer12]

> Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.

Cleaned the registry ?

>
> "flamer " wrote:
>
>> On Jul 3, 9:08 am, Moshe Rosenberg
>> > wrote:
>> > I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have
>> > enough
>> > physical ram.
>> >
>> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running
>> > for a
>> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
>> > alt+tab,
>> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
>> > for a
>> > day.
>> >
>> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>> >
>> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>> >
>> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>> >
>> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and
>> > only
>> > using les than 30% of PF.
>> >
>> > Where is the bottleneck??
>> >
>> > Any help would be appreciated!
>>
>> have you run a virus scan?
>>
>> Flamer.
>>
>>

[C.Joseph Drayton]

Moshe Rosenberg wrote:
> I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
> physical ram.
>
> I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
> few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
> minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
> day.
>
> See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>
> http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>
> This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>
> What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
> using les than 30% of PF.
>
> Where is the bottleneck??
>
> Any help would be appreciated!

Hi Moshe,

The 'out of memory' issue is one that can be a little
confusing . . . there is a VERY special segment of memory
called the 'stack' the stack is used for storing pointers
and handles a lot of transient processing activities.
Unfortunately WindowsXP has a MAXIMUM stack size of 60,000B.

As a result, even though you may have 1GB of RAM free, if
you run out of stack space, you are in fact out of memory.
There are certain types of processes that eat up stack space
quite quickly (the most notorious is nested recursion (in
simplest terms, nested loops)).

64B OSes do not have that stack limitation.

More often then not you will find that it is one or two
programs that are really the culprit.

The other problem is that when some programs exit, they
don't clean-up after themselves. You've probably noticed
cases where you will exit a program then look in the task
manager under processes and see that the application left
processes open.

Then of course, there are the people who leave applications
open for days at a time. Programs like FireFox when you
first run it uses about 28MB. You leave it running for 24
hours, and you can see it using 100MB+. Its sister program
ThunderBird has the same fault. I know a lot of people who
keep ThunderBird open so that they know immediately when
they get a new e-mail and then start running into memory
problems because of the way ThunderBird grabs memory and
then doesn't release it when it no longer needs it.

Unfortunately, there is no cure-all. By using a program like
WhatsRunning you can see what is actually using up RAM and
CPU cycles.

Ciao . . . C.Joseph

"A promise is nothing more than an attempt,
to respond to an unreasonable request."

http://blog.tlerma.com/
(A Windows professional's view of entering the Linux world)

[Ken Blake, MVP]

On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:02:04 -0300, "Bassplayer12"
> wrote:

> > Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.
>
> Cleaned the registry ?


Running registry cleaners is one of the most dangerous things you can
do. I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners.
Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many
people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
you.

The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
it may have.




> > "flamer " wrote:
> >
> >> On Jul 3, 9:08 am, Moshe Rosenberg
> >> > wrote:
> >> > I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have
> >> > enough
> >> > physical ram.
> >> >
> >> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running
> >> > for a
> >> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
> >> > alt+tab,
> >> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
> >> > for a
> >> > day.
> >> >
> >> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
> >> >
> >> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
> >> >
> >> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
> >> >
> >> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and
> >> > only
> >> > using les than 30% of PF.
> >> >
> >> > Where is the bottleneck??
> >> >
> >> > Any help would be appreciated!
> >>
> >> have you run a virus scan?
> >>
> >> Flamer.
> >>
> >>
>

--
Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
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[Gary Walker]

I'll certainly second that. I inherited the task of cleaning
up a Win/home system owned by a deceased elder rel-
ative. I'd really never even heard of a registry cleaner,
but apparently had been allowed onto the system via
any one of those endless - "Your System Needs This"
messages.

These elders seem just so fascinated with technology,
they'll simply positively acknowledge any unsolicited
message/request presented.




"Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:02:04 -0300, "Bassplayer12"
> > wrote:
>
>> > Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.
>>
>> Cleaned the registry ?
>
>
> Running registry cleaners is one of the most dangerous things you can
> do. I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners.
> Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many
> people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
> convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
> you.
>
> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
> removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
> it may have.
>
>
>
>
>> > "flamer " wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Jul 3, 9:08 am, Moshe Rosenberg
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have
>> >> > enough
>> >> > physical ram.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running
>> >> > for a
>> >> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
>> >> > alt+tab,
>> >> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears
>> >> > up
>> >> > for a
>> >> > day.
>> >> >
>> >> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available,
>> >> > and
>> >> > only
>> >> > using les than 30% of PF.
>> >> >
>> >> > Where is the bottleneck??
>> >> >
>> >> > Any help would be appreciated!
>> >>
>> >> have you run a virus scan?
>> >>
>> >> Flamer.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[Rock]

"Moshe Rosenberg" wrote
>I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
> physical ram.
>
> I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
> few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
> alt+tab,
> minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
> for a
> day.
>
> See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>
> http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>
> This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>
> What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
> using les than 30% of PF.
>
> Where is the bottleneck??
>
> Any help would be appreciated!


This could be an issue of heaps. See these articles:

Desktop Heap Limitations
http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2005/05/25/desktop-heap-limitations.aspx

PRB: User32.dll or Kernel32.dll fails to initialize
http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184802/

--
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]

[db ´¯`·.. >]

the fallacy you perpetuate that there is
no degradation of system performance
as a result of an imprecise and
poorly maintained registry database
is not with standing to those of the
experts and their facts posted here:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

besides, the o.p.'s issue doesn't appear
to be registry related.

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"Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
...
> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:02:04 -0300, "Bassplayer12"
> > wrote:
>
>> > Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.
>>
>> Cleaned the registry ?
>
>
> Running registry cleaners is one of the most dangerous things you can
> do. I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners.
> Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many
> people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
> convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
> you.
>
> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner erroneously
> removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
> it may have.
>
>
>
>
>> > "flamer " wrote:
>> >
>> >> On Jul 3, 9:08 am, Moshe Rosenberg
>> >> > wrote:
>> >> > I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I
>> >> > have
>> >> > enough
>> >> > physical ram.
>> >> >
>> >> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC
>> >> > running
>> >> > for a
>> >> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open
>> >> > applications, to
>> >> > alt+tab,
>> >> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it
>> >> > clears up
>> >> > for a
>> >> > day.
>> >> >
>> >> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>> >> >
>> >> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>> >> >
>> >> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>> >> >
>> >> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory
>> >> > available, and
>> >> > only
>> >> > using les than 30% of PF.
>> >> >
>> >> > Where is the bottleneck??
>> >> >
>> >> > Any help would be appreciated!
>> >>
>> >> have you run a virus scan?
>> >>
>> >> Flamer.
>> >>
>> >>
>>
>
> --
> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
> Please Reply to the Newsgroup

[db ´¯`·.. >]

it is unfortunate,
but the troubles you
encountered were not
as a result of registry
cleaners.

rather they were due
to your lack of knowledge
and experience and you fell
victim to malware.

here is some knowledge from
the experts

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

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..


"Gary Walker" > wrote in message
.. .
>
> I'll certainly second that. I inherited the task of cleaning
> up a Win/home system owned by a deceased elder rel-
> ative. I'd really never even heard of a registry cleaner,
> but apparently had been allowed onto the system via
> any one of those endless - "Your System Needs This"
> messages.
>
> These elders seem just so fascinated with technology,
> they'll simply positively acknowledge any unsolicited
> message/request presented.
>
>
>
>
> "Ken Blake, MVP" > wrote in message
> ...
>> On Mon, 2 Jul 2007 19:02:04 -0300, "Bassplayer12"
>> > wrote:
>>
>>> > Yes, of course. Also latest service packs and updates.
>>>
>>> Cleaned the registry ?
>>
>>
>> Running registry cleaners is one of the most dangerous things you can
>> do. I strongly recommend *against* the use of registry cleaners.
>> Cleaning of the registry isn't needed and is dangerous. Leave the
>> registry alone and don't use any registry cleaner. Despite what many
>> people think, and what vendors of registry cleaning software try to
>> convince you of, having unused registry entries doesn't really hurt
>> you.
>>
>> The risk of a serious problem caused by a registry cleaner
>> erroneously
>> removing an entry you need is far greater than any potential benefit
>> it may have.
>>
>>
>>
>>
>>> > "flamer " wrote:
>>> >
>>> >> On Jul 3, 9:08 am, Moshe Rosenberg
>>> >> > wrote:
>>> >> > I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I
>>> >> > have
>>> >> > enough
>>> >> > physical ram.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC
>>> >> > running
>>> >> > for a
>>> >> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open
>>> >> > applications, to
>>> >> > alt+tab,
>>> >> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it
>>> >> > clears up
>>> >> > for a
>>> >> > day.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>>> >> >
>>> >> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>>> >> >
>>> >> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory
>>> >> > available, and
>>> >> > only
>>> >> > using les than 30% of PF.
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Where is the bottleneck??
>>> >> >
>>> >> > Any help would be appreciated!
>>> >>
>>> >> have you run a virus scan?
>>> >>
>>> >> Flamer.
>>> >>
>>> >>
>>>
>>
>> --
>> Ken Blake, Microsoft MVP Windows - Shell/User
>> Please Reply to the Newsgroup
>
>

[Bruce Chambers]

db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> the fallacy you perpetuate that there is
> no degradation of system performance
> as a result of an imprecise and
> poorly maintained registry database


It's hardly a fallacy when no one has ever provided the slightest
evidence to support a claim of degraded performance cdaused by failing
to use an automated "cleaner." Particularly when years of first hand
experience (something you clearly lack) also demonstrates that there is
no such performance degradation.

This has been pointed out to you before, but you persist in lying.
Please cite even one independent laboratory report that supports your
claim. You won't be able to, you know.


--

Bruce Chambers

Help us help you:
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safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin

Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand Russell

[rb]

Do a search on virtual memory.

I think maybe you need to have a higher setting for your virtual memory.
Low virtual memory settings can cause your system slowdown even though
there's plenty of physical RAM memory left available.

You might even want to download a program called Memory Zipper to help
automate your virtual memory settings. It costs approx $20. You don't
absolutely have to use some program to reset virtual memory for you. You
can reset your virtual memory manually fairly easily. Check this out:

http://www.helpbytes.co.uk/vmemory.php

Generally, a ballpark figure for virtual memory is approx 1.5x your RAM
memory size.

[Rock]

"rb" > wrote
> Do a search on virtual memory.
>
> I think maybe you need to have a higher setting for your virtual memory.
> Low virtual memory settings can cause your system slowdown even though
> there's plenty of physical RAM memory left available.
>
> You might even want to download a program called Memory Zipper to help
> automate your virtual memory settings. It costs approx $20. You don't
> absolutely have to use some program to reset virtual memory for you. You
> can reset your virtual memory manually fairly easily. Check this out:
>
> http://www.helpbytes.co.uk/vmemory.php
>
> Generally, a ballpark figure for virtual memory is approx 1.5x your RAM
> memory size.

Using a figure like 1.5x RAM is not really helpful. In general, the more
RAM there is the less the page file is used, so with more RAM 1.5x is too
much, and for a small amount of RAM 1.5x is too little. And this can be
affected by what apps are installed. Some place a heavier demand on the
page file.

Better is to download a utility to monitor actual page file use, not what is
allocated to the page file. With that you can set virtual memory to suite
the system. Yes, allocating more than is needed doesn't hurt, it just
wastes the space.

See this article by the late Alex Nichol, MVP on Virtual Memory in XP and
setting the page file.
http://aumha.org/win5/a/xpvm.htm

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[Plato]

=?Utf-8?B?TW9zaGUgUm9zZW5iZXJn?= wrote:
>
> I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
> physical ram.

Do you have enough room on your hard drive for the default windows
page/swap file?

--
http://www.bootdisk.com/

[Plato]

rb wrote:
>
> I think maybe you need to have a higher setting for your virtual memory.

Or perhapse the OP set a max on virtural ram, which is NOT recommended.
Or, the OP may just not have enough hard drive space left for a proper
page file size.

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[db ´¯`·.. >]

you have eyes but cannot
see or read with them.

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

again, there is a fallacy
that you believe to be
the smartest person on
earth and you and your
enablers enjoy control
and manipulation.

again, take your delusional
resume to Microsoft and
tell them what is best
for the program they made

you are no where near being
a software engineer, just
an engineer of a lonely
train to nowhere with a
few old riders sharing your
smelly caboose.

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"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>> the fallacy you perpetuate that there is
>> no degradation of system performance
>> as a result of an imprecise and
>> poorly maintained registry database
>
>
> It's hardly a fallacy when no one has ever provided the slightest
> evidence to support a claim of degraded performance cdaused by failing
> to use an automated "cleaner." Particularly when years of first hand
> experience (something you clearly lack) also demonstrates that there
> is no such performance degradation.
>
> This has been pointed out to you before, but you persist in lying.
> Please cite even one independent laboratory report that supports your
> claim. You won't be able to, you know.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell

[Bob I]

Please read this EXCERPT from the referenced page

"What if I accidentally remove something I need in my registry?

Not to worry. Just like Microsoft Word, your PC has an "undo" option. In
this case, it's called System Restore. Once it's finished scanning, the
Windows Live Safety scanner creates a System Restore point on your PC.
This allows you to revert your system to its original state, before you
performed the scan, in case you inadvertently remove any valid registry
items."

And if System Restore fails the user is reloading from scratch!
NOW CEASE and DESIST with your ignorant drivel!!!

db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> it is unfortunate,
> but the troubles you
> encountered were not
> as a result of registry
> cleaners.
>
> rather they were due
> to your lack of knowledge
> and experience and you fell
> victim to malware.
>
> here is some knowledge from
> the experts
>
> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm
>

[db ´¯`·.. >]

lack of knowledge and experience
is one's own undoing. there are
little reasons to "restore from scratch"
as you put it in your ill response.

microsoft engineered into their operating
system a number of safeguards and recovery
methods into "their operating system",
one of which is referred as "repair installation".

"you can do what you want". but when your
registry crashes because you did not
follow the advice from the experts at
the following link, then don't come
a cry-in and a lie-in

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

and certainly don't expect help from those
who preach against maintaining the
registry database a precision file and free
from erroneous data.


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"Bob I" > wrote in message
...
> Please read this EXCERPT from the referenced page
>
> "What if I accidentally remove something I need in my registry?
>
> Not to worry. Just like Microsoft Word, your PC has an "undo" option.
> In this case, it's called System Restore. Once it's finished scanning,
> the Windows Live Safety scanner creates a System Restore point on your
> PC. This allows you to revert your system to its original state,
> before you performed the scan, in case you inadvertently remove any
> valid registry items."
>
> And if System Restore fails the user is reloading from scratch!
> NOW CEASE and DESIST with your ignorant drivel!!!
>
> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>> it is unfortunate,
>> but the troubles you
>> encountered were not
>> as a result of registry
>> cleaners.
>>
>> rather they were due
>> to your lack of knowledge
>> and experience and you fell
>> victim to malware.
>>
>> here is some knowledge from
>> the experts
>>
>> http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm
>>
>

[Bob I]

I'm sure you state that from your own experience, as it certainly fits
your case.



db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:

> lack of knowledge and experience
> is one's own undoing. there are

[db ´¯`·.. >]

;-)

yes, my machines run like
rolls royce's - finely tuned and
everything (most everything) is in
tune with the o.s., like an symphony.

because of this, whenever there
is a hick up due to something that was
not within my control or observation then
the problem sticks out rather than enshrouded
in a multitude of imprecise data, files and otherwise
pre existing problems.

it is whenever i have time that i
like to help others achieve
the same thing.

good luck with yours and
hopefully, your conceptions will
protect your from those terrorist
registry cleaners that are out to destroy
and corrupt the world, including the one
microsoft made for it's microsoft operating system.......!

"knowledge is power and
ignorance is submission" - db

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"Bob I" > wrote in message
...
> I'm sure you state that from your own experience, as it certainly fits
> your case.
>
>
>
> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>
>> lack of knowledge and experience
>> is one's own undoing. there are
>

[Ron Martell]

Moshe Rosenberg > wrote:

>I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
>physical ram.
>
>I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
>few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to alt+tab,
>minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up for a
>day.
>
>See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>
>http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>
>This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>
>What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
>using les than 30% of PF.
>
>Where is the bottleneck??
>
>Any help would be appreciated!


How many windows is "many"? 10? 20? 100? more than 100?

Basically you are overloading your computer. With 2 gb of physical
RAM and 1.3 gb of "PF Usage" your computer is almost certainly running
close to the limits in a number of areas, not all of which are
fixable.

Your best and simplest cure is probably to review your computer usage
habits. Why are so many windows open at once? You can only look at
a few at a time, even with a large screen high resolution monitor.
There are probably a number of items among all those open windows that
could quite easily be closed without causing any real inconvenience or
delays.

Also you might want to look at some of the specific applications that
you have open and running, as there are some which are well known as
"computer killers" because of the drag they put on overall performance
and/or the high demands they place on system resources and functions.
"King of the hill" in this category would be anything from
Norton/Symantec. These are enough to drag most computers to their
knees by themselves and when you add them to a large number of other
open applications it is a recipe for slow performance if not outright
disaster. There are alternaitve products that do not place anywhere
near the same degree of load on the computer.

Good luck

Ron Martell Duncan B.C. Canada
--
Microsoft MVP (1997 - 2008)
On-Line Help Computer Service
http://onlinehelp.bc.ca
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"Anyone who thinks that they are too small to make a difference
has never been in bed with a mosquito."

[Bruce Chambers]

db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> you have eyes but cannot
> see or read with them.
>


It doesn't matter how many times you mindlessly parrot advertising
copy; that won't change the simple fact that you've utterly failed to
offer any objective evidence to support you claims.


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[Bruce Chambers]

db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> lack of knowledge and experience
> is one's own undoing.


Something you experience each and every day, no doubt.

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[db ´¯`·.. >]

your hypocritical position may fly
among the young, the new and the
ignorant especially when they are
vulnerable and sufferring with a
problem pertaining to the registry.....

however, there are other threads
where you admit to using registry
cleaners like the one called ccleaner.

essentially you are an unreliable
source of information. but that's
ok, you can use all the registry
cleaners you want, just don't
preach to others against using
them.

fortunately there is a reliable
source of information and directly
from the source and the experts:

http://onecare.live.com/site/en-US/article/registry_cleaner_why.htm

i'm not mindless,
just mindful.


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"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>> you have eyes but cannot
>> see or read with them.
>>
>
>
> It doesn't matter how many times you mindlessly parrot advertising
> copy; that won't change the simple fact that you've utterly failed to
> offer any objective evidence to support you claims.
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell

[Bruce Chambers]

db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
> your hypocritical position may fly
> among the young, the new and the
> ignorant especially when they are
> vulnerable and sufferring with a
> problem pertaining to the registry.....
>


Sorry, no hypocrisy here. And only your religiously spouting
advertising copy as technical advice could possibly "fly among the
young, the new, and the ignorant." Experienced users won't be fooled by
you.


> however, there are other threads
> where you admit to using registry
> cleaners like the one called ccleaner.
>

You need help with your reading comprehension. I've stately repeated
that I've *tested* CCleaner and found it's registry "cleaning" to be
absolutely untrustworthy; nothing but false alarms.



>
> fortunately there is a reliable
> source of information and directly
> from the source and the experts:
>

Again, that is nothing but adv ertising copy. You still have not
managed to find a single, solitary reliable technical reference. Why
not just admit you've failed?


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[Zilbandy]

On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:42:59 -0500, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .
<databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:

>i'm not mindless,
>just mindful.

You might be a
bit more credible
if you learned
how to post
using 'normal'
line lengths. It's ridiculous to have to scroll down to read a message
that could fit on one screen if posted properly, but experience has
told me that I'm just practicing my typing talking about this to you.

--
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[db ´¯`·.. >]

: )

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"Zilbandy" > wrote in message
...
> On Wed, 4 Jul 2007 08:42:59 -0500, db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. .
> <databaseben.public.newsgroup.microsoft.com> wrote:
>
>>i'm not mindless,
>>just mindful.
>
> You might be a
> bit more credible
> if you learned
> how to post
> using 'normal'
> line lengths. It's ridiculous to have to scroll down to read a message
> that could fit on one screen if posted properly, but experience has
> told me that I'm just practicing my typing talking about this to you.
>
> --
> Zilbandy

[db ´¯`·.. >]

yeh, right......

just inhaled it and not smoked it
kind of guy - aren't you?.

and yet you would consider
"testing" a registry cleaner
since you have pre determined long
ago about there total and
absolute worthlessness...

surely, you did not stop
at just one...

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"Bruce Chambers" > wrote in message
...
> db ´¯`·.. ><)))º>` .. . wrote:
>> your hypocritical position may fly
>> among the young, the new and the
>> ignorant especially when they are
>> vulnerable and sufferring with a
>> problem pertaining to the registry.....
>>
>
>
> Sorry, no hypocrisy here. And only your religiously spouting
> advertising copy as technical advice could possibly "fly among the
> young, the new, and the ignorant." Experienced users won't be fooled
> by you.
>
>
>> however, there are other threads
>> where you admit to using registry
>> cleaners like the one called ccleaner.
>>
>
> You need help with your reading comprehension. I've stately repeated
> that I've *tested* CCleaner and found it's registry "cleaning" to be
> absolutely untrustworthy; nothing but false alarms.
>
>
>
>>
>> fortunately there is a reliable
>> source of information and directly
>> from the source and the experts:
>>
>
> Again, that is nothing but adv ertising copy. You still have not
> managed to find a single, solitary reliable technical reference. Why
> not just admit you've failed?
>
>
> --
>
> Bruce Chambers
>
> Help us help you:
> http://dts-l.org/goodpost.htm
> http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
>
> They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
> safety deserve neither liberty nor safety. -Benjamin Franklin
>
> Many people would rather die than think; in fact, most do. -Bertrand
> Russell

[Moshe Rosenberg]

Rock,

Seems like you hit the nail on the head. I used that utility mentioned in
the MSDN article, and it seems I was running out of heaps.

Now to fix the issue...

Thanks for enlightening me on this area!

Moshe

"Rock" wrote:

> "Moshe Rosenberg" wrote
> >I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have enough
> > physical ram.
> >
> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running for a
> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
> > alt+tab,
> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
> > for a
> > day.
> >
> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
> >
> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
> >
> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
> >
> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and only
> > using les than 30% of PF.
> >
> > Where is the bottleneck??
> >
> > Any help would be appreciated!
>
>
> This could be an issue of heaps. See these articles:
>
> Desktop Heap Limitations
> http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2005/05/25/desktop-heap-limitations.aspx
>
> PRB: User32.dll or Kernel32.dll fails to initialize
> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184802/
>
> --
> Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]
>
>

[Rock]

"Moshe Rosenberg" > wrote
> Rock,
>
> Seems like you hit the nail on the head. I used that utility mentioned in
> the MSDN article, and it seems I was running out of heaps.
>
> Now to fix the issue...
>
> Thanks for enlightening me on this area!
>
> Moshe

You're welcome. Good luck.

---
Rock [MS-MVP User/Shell]


> "Rock" wrote:
>
>> "Moshe Rosenberg" wrote
>> >I have an issue with memory limitations on my PC, even though I have
>> >enough
>> > physical ram.
>> >
>> > I have 2 GB of RAM. I have many windows open, and with my PC running
>> > for a
>> > few days, all of sudden I am no longer able to open applications, to
>> > alt+tab,
>> > minimize or maximize window, etc. If I close some windows it clears up
>> > for a
>> > day.
>> >
>> > See here for a screenshot of Task Manager:
>> >
>> > http://aycu17.webshots.com/image/21176/2004165709205737703_rs.jpg
>> >
>> > This was taken during the time when I have having the trouble.
>> >
>> > What is strange is that I have 1 GB of physical memory available, and
>> > only
>> > using les than 30% of PF.
>> >
>> > Where is the bottleneck??
>> >
>> > Any help would be appreciated!
>>
>>
>> This could be an issue of heaps. See these articles:
>>
>> Desktop Heap Limitations
>> http://blogs.msdn.com/tonyschr/archive/2005/05/25/desktop-heap-limitations.aspx
>>
>> PRB: User32.dll or Kernel32.dll fails to initialize
>> http://support.microsoft.com/kb/184802/