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On 2/27/19 4:23 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
Yes: when this problem manifests itself, I've found plugging in a USB keyboard makes no difference - or even using the on-screen keyboard! What's more, the problem/behaviour seems to have come across from my WindowsÂ*XPÂ*machine!! Was the old keyboard unplugged when you tested? |
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On 2/27/19 4:23 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: Yes: when this problem manifests itself, I've found plugging in a USB keyboard makes no difference - or even using the on-screen keyboard! What's more, the problem/behaviour seems to have come across from my Windows*XP*machine!! Was the old keyboard unplugged when you tested? Both machines were/are laptops! (Well, the XP was a netbook.) [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Never. For me, there has to be a meaning. There's not much meaning in eating bugs. - Darcey Bussell (on whether she'd appear on /I'm a Celebrity/), in RT 2015/11/28-12/4 |
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On 3/1/19 11:29 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: On 2/27/19 4:23 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: Yes: when this problem manifests itself, I've found plugging in a USB keyboard makes no difference - or even using the on-screen keyboard! What's more, the problem/behaviour seems to have come across from my WindowsÂ*XPÂ*machine!! Was the old keyboard unplugged when you tested? Both machines were/are laptops! (Well, the XP was a netbook.) [] Try with a Live USB/CD/DVD. That will isolate software from hardware https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/ It can be cut with dd to a flash drive |
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On 3/1/19 11:29 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: In message , T writes: On 2/27/19 4:23 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: Yes: when this problem manifests itself, I've found plugging in a USB keyboard makes no difference - or even using the on-screen keyboard! What's more, the problem/behaviour seems to have come across from my Windows*XP*machine!! Was the old keyboard unplugged when you tested? Both machines were/are laptops! (Well, the XP was a netbook.) [] Try with a Live USB/CD/DVD. That will isolate software from hardware https://spins.fedoraproject.org/xfce/ It can be cut with dd to a flash drive I'm pretty sure it's not hardware - I can't think how _any_ hardware fault would still manifest itself when I try to use the on-screen "keyboard" (that you operate with the mouse). Trying a Linux bootable wouldn't I don't think work - my problem only, I think, manifests itself when I've been using the combination of Windows softwares I normally use, for a while. And I think it's something I do that triggers it - _something_ I think related to use of the Ctrl key, but I'm not completely sure of that, and certainly don't know what. And I don't know what makes it clear itself either, but again I think it's an action or combination of actions I take. -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Science fiction is escape into reality - Arthur C Clarke |
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On 3/1/19 3:15 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
I'm pretty sure it's not hardware - I can't think how _any_ hardware fault would still manifest itself when I try to use the on-screen "keyboard" (that you operate with the mouse). Neither can I, but.. Trying a Linux bootable wouldn't I don't think work - my problem only, I think, manifests itself when I've been using the combination of Windows softwares I normally use, for a while. And I think it's something I do that triggers it - _something_ I think related to use of the Ctrl key, but I'm not completely sure of that, and certainly don't know what. And I don't know what makes it clear itself either, but again I think it's an action or combination of actions I take. I would check anyway. I live for a cause effect problem. Most of what I get called for has A affecting B affecting A. It can take some multilevel thinking. The easy ones they fix themselves. The hard ones, lets torture Todd! I can't help it, I enjoy the puzzles. Its a living. The worst one I fixed was A affecting B affecting C affecting D affecting E affecting A. It took me two hours but I finally conquered. They problem with these multilevel problems is that I keep forgetting who did what to whom If the Live USB shows it was software and you already knew that, then you have a cool troubleshoot tool for use the next time. I carry about eight of them for various things around with me, alone with two Windows 10 PE flash drives. Yes, some are labeled Window Nein. |
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On 3/1/19 3:15 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I'm pretty sure it's not hardware - I can't think how _any_ hardware fault would still manifest itself when I try to use the on-screen "keyboard" (that you operate with the mouse). Neither can I, but.. Trying a Linux bootable wouldn't I don't think work - my problem [] I would check anyway. I live for a cause effect problem. Most of what I get called for has A affecting B affecting A. It can take some multilevel thinking. The easy ones they fix themselves. The hard ones, lets torture Todd! I can't help it, I enjoy the puzzles. Its a living. The worst one I fixed was A affecting B affecting C affecting D affecting E affecting A. It took me two hours but I finally conquered. They problem with these multilevel problems is that I keep forgetting who did what to whom If the Live USB shows it was software and you already knew that, then you have a cool troubleshoot tool for use the Except it _wouldn't_, I think, show it was softwa at best, it would show it isn't hardware, which I'm not convinced is the same thing. But I'd have to be using my software combination, which would be difficult under Linux - I think at least one of them (Turnpike) wouldn't work in WINE. I have to be using them and actively using the keyboard for the problem to show itself; I can (and do) leave the machine on overnight, with my usual combination of prog.s loaded, and I don't think I've ever come to the machine in the morning and found the problem present. next time. I carry about eight of them for various things around with me, alone with two Windows 10 PE flash drives. Yes, some are labeled Window Nein. (I have no intention of using Windows 10 either, but I don't think I'd label anything Nein: I smiled the first two or three times I saw it, but I think by now I'd be thoroughly fed up of having to explain int.) -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf .... basically it's another language and unless you've studied it, it's difficult to grasp. I know people get outraged at me saying it, but it's only my opinion. I'm not telling people who adore Shakespeare to stop adoring it this minute. - Jane Horrocks, in Radio Times 30 July - 5 August 2011 |
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On 3/1/19 6:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
IfÂ*theÂ*LiveÂ*USBÂ*showsÂ*itÂ*wasÂ*softwareÂ*and *youÂ*alreadyÂ*knew that,Â*thenÂ*youÂ*haveÂ*aÂ*coolÂ*troubleshootÂ*too lÂ*forÂ*useÂ*the Except it _wouldn't_, I think, show it was softwa at best, it would show it isn't hardware, which I'm not convinced is the same thing. But I'd have to be using my software combination, which would be difficult under Linux - I think at least one of them (Turnpike) wouldn't work in WINE. I have to be using them and actively using the keyboard for the problem to show itself; I can (and do) leave the machine on overnight, with my usual combination of prog.s loaded, and I don't think I've ever comeÂ*toÂ*theÂ*machineÂ*inÂ*theÂ*morningÂ*andÂ*fou ndÂ*theÂ*problemÂ*present. The Live stick is removable. Just open a text editor and type away. Wine is not installed on a Live USB anyway. Do you have Fast Boot disabled? Nine is still funny. :-) |
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On 3/1/19 6:47 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: On 3/1/19 3:15 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote: I'm pretty sure it's not hardware - I can't think how _any_ hardware fault would still manifest itself when I try to use the on-screen "keyboard" (that you operate with the mouse). Neither can I, but.. Trying a Linux bootable wouldn't I don't think work - my problem [] I would check anyway.Â* I live for a cause effect problem.Â* Most of what I get called for has A affecting B affecting A.Â* It can take some multilevel thinking.Â* The easy ones they fix themselves.Â* The hard ones, lets torture Todd!Â* I can't help it, I enjoy the puzzles.Â* Its a living. The worst one I fixed was A affecting B affecting C affecting D affecting E affecting A.Â* It took me two hours but I finally conquered.Â* They problem with these multilevel problems is that I keep forgetting who did what to whom If the Live USB shows it was software and you already knew that, then you have a cool troubleshoot tool for use the Except it _wouldn't_, I think, show it was softwa at best, it would show it isn't hardware, which I'm not convinced is the same thing. But I'd have to be using my software combination, which would be difficult under Linux - I think at least one of them (Turnpike) wouldn't work in WINE. I have to be using them and actively using the keyboard for the problem to show itself; I can (and do) leave the machine on overnight, with my usual combination of prog.s loaded, and I don't think I've ever come to the machine in the morning and found the problem present. next time.Â* I carry about eight of them for various things around with me, alone with two Windows 10 PE flash drives. Yes, some are labeled Window Nein. (I have no intention of using Windows 10 either, but I don't think I'd label anything Nein: I smiled the first two or three times I saw it, but I think by now I'd be thoroughly fed up of having to explain int.) Hi John, Think about your issue. Sounds like you are running it 24/7. You can get away with that with Linux, sometimes Mac, but not Windows. Try this. Go into control panel, administrative setting, task scheduler (I may have the names wrong) and set a task to reboot your machine at 3:00 AM in the morning, every morning. The command is shutdown.exe /r /f /t 30 That will give you 30 seconds warning, is case yoy are pulling an all-nighter -T |
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[] Think about your issue. Sounds like you are running it 24/7. If by "your issue", you mean my keyboard funny, that comes and goes - as I've said, I think it's some sequence of actions I do that triggers it and clears it, but I haven't worked out what - whether the machine has been running one day or several. Other than that funny, the machine seems happy with the 24'7: I'm pretty sure I've had it do more than a week, possibly getting on for two. You can get away with that with Linux, sometimes Mac, but not Windows. I seem to. [] -- J. P. Gilliver. UMRA: 1960/1985 MB++G()AL-IS-Ch++(p)Ar@T+H+Sh0!:`)DNAf Why doesn't DOS ever say "EXCELLENT command or filename!" |
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On 3/4/19 5:40 PM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , T writes: [] Think about your issue.Â* Sounds like you are running it 24/7. If by "your issue", you mean my keyboard funny, that comes and goes - as I've said, I think it's some sequence of actions I do that triggers it and clears it, but I haven't worked out what - whether the machine has been running one day or several. Other than that funny, the machine seems happy with the 24'7: I'm pretty sure I've had it do more than a week, possibly getting on for two. You can get away with that with Linux, sometimes Mac, but not Windows. I seem to. [] Hi John, That is not what you are describing. I see tons of Windows machines that have not been rebooted in days having weird symptoms. What you describe it typically one of the symptoms: keyboard acting weird. For those that need to run 24/7, doing a reboot in the night clears them up. https://www.techsupportalert.com/con...-windows-7.htm -T |
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On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:55:57 -0800, T wrote:
For those that need to run 24/7, doing a reboot in the night clears them up. Think about what you just wrote: "For those that need to run *24/7*,". How does a reboot fit into that? My computer has been running since the last neighborhood power failure, 67 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes ago. |
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On 3/4/19 6:38 PM, Sam Hill wrote:
On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:55:57 -0800, T wrote: For those that need to run 24/7, doing a reboot in the night clears them up. Think about what you just wrote: "For those that need to run *24/7*,". How does a reboot fit into that? Who is processing something 100% of the time? You pick a stop when nothing is expected to be happening, like when all the remote loggers have finally gone to sleep, etc.. And just let everyone know when the reboot will occure. My computer has been running since the last neighborhood power failure, 67 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes ago. A Windows machine? That is the longest I have seen! 12 days and one customer could not type, or send eMail, and Chrome's windows shimmered. By change do your have hibernate/sleep set? |
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On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 19:11:45 -0800, T wrote:
On 3/4/19 6:38 PM, Sam Hill wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:55:57 -0800, T wrote: For those that need to run 24/7, doing a reboot in the night clears them up. Think about what you just wrote: "For those that need to run *24/7*,". How does a reboot fit into that? Who is processing something 100% of the time? The remote server that sits waiting for world-wide salespersons to log business transactions... Geez, think beyond the mom-n-pop people you serve for once. You pick a stop when nothing is expected to be happening, like when all the remote loggers have finally gone to sleep, etc.. And just let everyone know when the reboot will occure. What if the loggers are in Denver, Dubai, and Dingzhou? My computer has been running since the last neighborhood power failure, 67 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes ago. A Windows machine? No. (Now you're going to complain that 'this is a Windows group' - just know I was picking on your silly comment about what "24/7" is.) That is the longest I have seen! 12 days and one customer could not type, or send eMail, and Chrome's windows shimmered. "A Windows machine?" g Maybe it's okay in your little world that not being able to run more than a few days is sufficient. By change do your have hibernate/sleep set? |
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On 03/04/2019 9:11 PM, T wrote:
On 3/4/19 6:38 PM, Sam Hill wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:55:57 -0800, T wrote: For those that need to run 24/7, doing a reboot in the night clears them up. Think about what you just wrote:Â* "For those that need to run *24/7*,". How does a reboot fit into that? Who is processing something 100% of the time?Â* You pick a stop when nothing is expected to be happening, like when all the remote loggers have finally gone to sleep, etc..Â* And just let everyone know when the reboot will occure. My computer has been running since the last neighborhood power failure, 67 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes ago. A Windows machine? That is the longest I have seen!Â*Â* 12 days and one customer could not type, or send eMail, and Chrome's windows shimmered. By change do your have hibernate/sleep set? Baloney Todd, Last place I worked before I retired I had 2 windows machines running for about two and a half years 24/7/365 with no shut downs or reboots, They ran my security and door card reader systems and where not allowed to shut down, they were critical systems. You are spreading FUD, and its not appreciated. Rene |
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Sam Hill wrote:
On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 19:11:45 -0800, T wrote: On 3/4/19 6:38 PM, Sam Hill wrote: On Mon, 04 Mar 2019 17:55:57 -0800, T wrote: For those that need to run 24/7, doing a reboot in the night clears them up. Think about what you just wrote: "For those that need to run *24/7*,". How does a reboot fit into that? Who is processing something 100% of the time? The remote server that sits waiting for world-wide salespersons to log business transactions... Geez, think beyond the mom-n-pop people you serve for once. You pick a stop when nothing is expected to be happening, like when all the remote loggers have finally gone to sleep, etc.. And just let everyone know when the reboot will occure. What if the loggers are in Denver, Dubai, and Dingzhou? My computer has been running since the last neighborhood power failure, 67 days, 12 hours, 10 minutes ago. A Windows machine? No. (Now you're going to complain that 'this is a Windows group' - just know I was picking on your silly comment about what "24/7" is.) That is the longest I have seen! 12 days and one customer could not type, or send eMail, and Chrome's windows shimmered. "A Windows machine?" g Maybe it's okay in your little world that not being able to run more than a few days is sufficient. By change do your have hibernate/sleep set? You'd be running a redundant system with some sort of fail-over, such that with a pair of machines, one could be rebooted while the other takes over. The only problem with schemes like that, is when they get into a loop. One evening at work, a "pair" like that, swapped roles every 90 seconds, affecting service, so I had to page the on-call IT guy to put a stop to it. Char could probably tell you how to set something like that up. And there have been implementations like that, which are run by idiots. My old ISP insisted on some sort of brain-dead DNS scheme, where about 30 pairs of machines provided DNS. And they would *reboot both machines in a pair* on the same minute at night, knocking out DNS service to the customers on that particular pair, for around 15 minutes. Talk about strange designs... Why have redundancy, then reboot both machines in the pair at the same time ? Boggles the mind. Why not have... ten machines in parallel, and boot all ten at the same time :-/ You know ya wanna. My current ISP has "a single pair", for which the provisioning is all hidden. (You cannot discover there are 30 pairs of machines over time, by studying the DNS addresses it hands out over DHCP.) You cannot see what goes on, inside the ISP building. I suspect a kind of "virtualized" DNS scheme, which presents two addresses, but has some unknown level of "proper" redundancy that we cannot see. That setup has *never* gone down, that I could detect. The Space Shuttle had five computers, and majority voter logic. It ran two sets of software. It had a pair of machines on each software set. And the fifth machine was some sort of tie breaker. So there are people who have made reliable solutions before, that actually work... They obviously didn't hire any staff from my old ISP. If my old ISP was running the Shuttle, they'd pick the landing cycle as the time to reboot all five of them. Paul |
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