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HB[_3_] March 11th 18 09:29 AM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
.....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I have
a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS would
give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on this
group must know how to stop these updates.



wg_2002[_3_] March 11th 18 09:45 AM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.


It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.

HB[_3_] March 11th 18 10:28 AM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 

"wg_2002" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.


It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.



Keith Nuttle March 11th 18 12:04 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
On 3/11/2018 5:28 AM, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Have you tried FireFox?

https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

It comes in two versions. One installs normally, and the other installs
as a portable version which can save space on your main drive.

One advantage is you no longer are tied to MS.

I have been using it for years and never had a problem, it is secure and
easy to use.


--
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Paul[_32_] March 11th 18 12:44 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


You can run a VM (virtual machine).

You'll need a WinXP license to use.

While Microsoft offered "XP Mode", a 500MB download
with a copy of WinXP inside, that was intended for Win7 users,
and the same methods don't work in Win10. The "Windows Virtual PC"
(related to VPC2007), a 20MB download, used to host "XP Mode".
But, Microsoft was careful to prevent "Windows Virtual PC"
from running on Win10. And the Hyper-V that does run on
Windows 10, doesn't have any special support for XP Mode.
Since Hyper-V is a bit of a pudge (needs SLAT/EPT),
we use VirtualBox instead. This is a product financed
by Oracle/Sun.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

If the Virtual PC method had worked, it would have been perfectly
free (in some strained sense of the word free).

To succeed at this today, you need one of:

1) A license key. A Retail license key from a PC you no longer
use, could be re-purposed for the job.

2) Use a hack to activate the WinXP virtual machine.

You'll also benefit from having a WinXP installer CD.
You use that to put a copy of Windows into the VM
environment, or use it to repair the VM if it's corrupted
or something.

WinXP then runs inside a "window" on your screen. Outlook
Express would then be a window within that "window".
Kinda like Russian dolls.

In terms of RAM usage, the reasonable bare minimum is a
machine with 2GB of RAM. That's a good start. I run VMs
on this machine, and it's got 8GB (still not a very big
machine). I've had as many as three (older) VMs running
on this machine at the same time. Win98SE would run with
256MB. WinXP would run with 512MB. The more modern OSes
will run with 1GB or more.

I even run a Win10 VM on this machine, but that really needs
more CPU cores to speed things up.

Paul

Mayayana March 11th 18 02:59 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
"HB" wrote

| ....wiped out OE6.
| There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this
| group must know how to stop these updates.
|

This has been established. Win10 is defined as a service.
You no longer have a choice. You can accept their spyware
and accept being an unpaid beta tester. Or you can reject
it. Even the EULA says you can't fix it. Unless someone
does something like forcing civility through a class action
lawsuit (very unlikely) you have no options with Win10.
What you're dealing with is only the beginning.

The choices you do have would be to buy a copy of Win7
(assuming you can get the drivers your computer needs)
or go along with Win10. Have you tried Thunderbird?

Personally I sympathize with you. I use OE on XP for simple
reasons: I'm used to it, it does what I need, and it doesn't
get in the way. I have a Win7 computer, but I mostly just
use it for testing software and as a sacrificial lamb when
I need to sacrifice security and privacy online. Even 7 is
intrusive compared to XP. If I had to switch from OE I'd
use TBird. It's also what I set up for friends who need help.
It's free. It works. It's not too different from OE. There's
no other clear option that I'm aware of.

The process of switching to TBird is awkard. It doesn't
directly import email but instead imports it as a ridiculous
and clunky sub-branch. And the settings are poorly designed.
TBird also gets in the way trying to be helpful. It tries
hard not to let you set up your own email account.

But with some work you can migrate your OE email and
I think you'll find TBird is serviceable.
One tool that might be useful:

https://sourceforge.net/projects/und...atest/download

Undbx will extract each email from a DBX database file.
As single EML files you can then drag/drop or import
those into a TBird account directly. TBird, fortunately, uses
a simpler system. The TBird email storage is a plain text file.
Easy to back up. Easy to parse. Once you get the settings
straight and get your email moved over it should work almost
the same way as OE.
There are a handful of problems, but workable: I don't
think there's any purely text-based option, as there is in
OE. (HTML email is unsafe, un-private and unnecessary.)
The outbound SMTP server settings are in a completely
different place from the inbound POP settings. Things like
that. On the other hand, TBird is also more up-to-date and
provides conveniences like blocking remote images from
loading inline by default.

But before you do anything, if you don't want to lose
your email, make sure to back up the folder with the
DBXs in it. It should be buried down in the App Data
catacombs, under your personal "user account".



Roger Blake[_2_] March 11th 18 04:12 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
On 2018-03-11, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Run Windows XP in a virtual machine for OE and other older applications
that have trouble running directly on Windows 10.

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Mr. Man-wai Chang March 11th 18 04:14 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
On 11/3/2018 16:29, HB wrote:
....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I have
a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS would
give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.


First, backup BACKUP your OE6 folders, which contain your data. Then
look for solutions.

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HB[_3_] March 11th 18 05:04 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 

"Keith Nuttle" wrote in message
...
On 3/11/2018 5:28 AM, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.

Have you tried FireFox?


https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/firefox/

It comes in two versions. One installs normally, and the other installs
as a portable version which can save space on your main drive.

One advantage is you no longer are tied to MS.

I have been using it for years and never had a problem, it is secure and
easy to use.


I've been using MFF for years now. I'm not sure what this Browser has to do
with an OS. If we switch to Macs we'd have a lot of software we couldn't
use.




--
2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre




Frank Slootweg March 11th 18 05:09 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
Mayayana wrote:
[...]
Personally I sympathize with you. I use OE on XP for simple
reasons: I'm used to it, it does what I need, and it doesn't
get in the way. I have a Win7 computer, but I mostly just
use it for testing software and as a sacrificial lamb when
I need to sacrifice security and privacy online. Even 7 is
intrusive compared to XP. If I had to switch from OE I'd
use TBird. It's also what I set up for friends who need help.
It's free. It works. It's not too different from OE. There's
no other clear option that I'm aware of.

The process of switching to TBird is awkard. It doesn't
directly import email but instead imports it as a ridiculous
and clunky sub-branch.


Not only clunky, but completely fsck-ed up, unless your imported input
was a straight-and-clean *file* (not mail folder) tree structure. TB's
tools don't have a clue how OE's/WM's mail storage is/can_be organized
and are quite happy to fsck it up. But heh, OE/WM was only the most used
MUA, so why would TB bother to accomodate its users!?

After the import, the good news is that I still had/have all my mail,
but the bad news is that I lost much/most of the *organization* (mail
folder structure) of that mail.

So I have to limp along using Edit - Find - Search Messages... to
find that old mail which I know/think I have, but has been buried at the
end of some silly umpteen-level folder-path! :-(

And the settings are poorly designed.
TBird also gets in the way trying to be helpful. It tries
hard not to let you set up your own email account.


Yep, on all points.

But with some work you can migrate your OE email and
I think you'll find TBird is serviceable.


s/some/probably a lot/

[...]

Frank Slootweg March 11th 18 05:09 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.


It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.

HB[_3_] March 11th 18 05:14 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 

"Paul" wrote in message
...
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell
MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.
It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always
choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created
for windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac
or other system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


You can run a VM (virtual machine).

You'll need a WinXP license to use.

While Microsoft offered "XP Mode", a 500MB download
with a copy of WinXP inside, that was intended for Win7 users,
and the same methods don't work in Win10. The "Windows Virtual PC"
(related to VPC2007), a 20MB download, used to host "XP Mode".
But, Microsoft was careful to prevent "Windows Virtual PC"
from running on Win10. And the Hyper-V that does run on
Windows 10, doesn't have any special support for XP Mode.
Since Hyper-V is a bit of a pudge (needs SLAT/EPT),
we use VirtualBox instead. This is a product financed
by Oracle/Sun.

https://www.virtualbox.org/wiki/Downloads

If the Virtual PC method had worked, it would have been perfectly
free (in some strained sense of the word free).

To succeed at this today, you need one of:

1) A license key. A Retail license key from a PC you no longer
use, could be re-purposed for the job.

2) Use a hack to activate the WinXP virtual machine.

You'll also benefit from having a WinXP installer CD.
You use that to put a copy of Windows into the VM
environment, or use it to repair the VM if it's corrupted
or something.

WinXP then runs inside a "window" on your screen. Outlook
Express would then be a window within that "window".
Kinda like Russian dolls.

In terms of RAM usage, the reasonable bare minimum is a
machine with 2GB of RAM. That's a good start. I run VMs
on this machine, and it's got 8GB (still not a very big
machine). I've had as many as three (older) VMs running
on this machine at the same time. Win98SE would run with
256MB. WinXP would run with 512MB. The more modern OSes
will run with 1GB or more.

I even run a Win10 VM on this machine, but that really needs
more CPU cores to speed things up.

Paul


Thanks Paul. It's over my head. Setting something like that up. The laptop
in question has 8 GBs of RAM and a 1 TB HD. I have no idea where I'd get
the keys (or a hack) since those old PCs are long gone and their info with
them.



Brick[_2_] March 11th 18 05:21 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
On 11 Mar 2018 16:09:34 GMT, Frank Slootweg, thunk thusly:
HB wrote:
"wg_2002" wrote in message
...
On Sun, 11 Mar 2018 04:29:14 -0400, HB wrote:

....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now I
have a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS
would give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our
choice was taken away.

There has to be a way to stop them, maybe in the regestry. Someone on
this group must know how to stop these updates.

It's an archaic piece of software that is best put out to pasture just
like the OS that is shipped with.
If you do not care for the update cycle of Windows10 you can always choose
another alternative.


What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Indeed! Classic example of shooting the messenger, instead of blaming
Microsoft for not providing an alternative for Outlook Express / Windows
Mail.


I run Windows Live Mail on Windows 10, so that's an option.

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HB[_3_] March 11th 18 05:21 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 

"Roger Blake" wrote in message
...
On 2018-03-11, HB wrote:
What other alternative is there where the kids can play their games
created
to run on Windows, or the wife's interior design software created for
windows, or music editing software my son uses, the image editing
software
my daughter uses... all this software would be useless on a Mac or other
system. And we all used OE6 and WindowsMail before that.


Run Windows XP in a virtual machine for OE and other older applications
that have trouble running directly on Windows 10.


Where would I start? This looks way beyond what I can handle without
screwing up the new laptop.


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Mr. Man-wai Chang March 11th 18 05:24 PM

MS unwanted updates tonight...
 
On 11/3/2018 23:30, Good Guy wrote:
On 11/03/2018 08:29, HB wrote:
....wiped out OE6. It's still there but will not work anymore. So now
I have
a laptop I can't use for email. I don't understand why the hell MS would
give a &^%$ that someone would want to use OE.

And what really eats my lunch is these updates are FORCED on us. Our


You are a known idiot here so please take your machine to your local
geek shop who can fix it for you. This is not the place for people like
you to get any help. You are too thick to understand anything.


You are NOT helping. If you don't wanna help solve that technical
problem, just keep quiet! It saved your time as well because you would
have done nothing. :)

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