Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
Hi All,
This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi picking on someone. My purpose for posting is to make others aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and to help others. So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere. And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot". And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10. Just hold your nose. -T Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 8 Major Reasons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSykL1I-WIc Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 2019 Update https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SakjTLUuF-w If you don't want to watch the videos, here is his list. 1. Windows Updates - As a system admin having the computer force updates on my users makes me rage. I set the GPO and Off-Times, however it still finds a way to update at inconvenient times. 2. Windows Store - Microsoft store is horrid! It's the worst implementation of forced bloatware and a bold cash grab that just spits in our faces. Windows 8 should of taught Microsoft, but no, it had to continue in Windows 10. 3. Notification Bar - It sucks... its worthless, and overall just pointless. 4. Security Center - This technically started in Windows 7, but has carried on and just become more bloated. I want to pick my Anti-Virus, and choose my firewall settings. 5. Removal of Safe mode on boot - WTF!? I have to boot into Windows hold shift and reboot to get to safe mode? Really!?! Microsoft go home you are drunk! 6. Security - This could be a video in of itself, Major security issues this past year like the Windows Share exploit from the leaked NSA tools. I am still upset at Microsoft for wasting my weekends patching this. 7. Bi-Annual System Upgrades - Why!? just Why!? October update anyone? 8. File Sharing sucks in Windows - Ugh $C and the permissions just make me want to rage |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
T wrote:
Hi All, This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi picking on someone. My purpose for posting is to make others aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and to help others. So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere. And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot". And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10. Just hold your nose. -T I think a better article, would be finding a survey article that details what the average user wants. Is an out-of-box configuration sufficient ? Maybe that's all you need, for the average user. Having a series of picky people with some level of skill analyze an OS, isn't going to tell naive users what they need to know. Naive users will have trouble with everything you give them. And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have 15 years of Unix experience, and I'm still wasting hours with the rough edges of Linux. Which includes, making a network connection work on a new install (because it's broken for my Intel NIC), when I can't get a web browser to connect to the Internet so I can look up stuff. Between Network Manager and SystemD adding no value to the experience, all I get is more broken NICs for my trouble. The network actually worked at one time, and there were fewer things to go wrong. Nobody has "taste" in the Linux world. They're slaves to convention. A SystemD convention. A PulseAudio convention (when audio did have a migration story that didn't include Pulseaudio). Who really needs all that *extra* aggravation. And they can never leave well enough alone (just like Microsoft). A couple years ago, I found some Linux Distros that could do file sharing *perfectly*. What do I find today ? It's broken again. The "automated Server setup" dialog has disappeared, implying I'm supposed to go back to editing a gawd-awful configuration file. And on the client side, maybe I can't get SMBv1 to work, and there's no documentation about what I have to do to fix it. Suite Jesus, sir. Paul |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
Paul wrote:
T wrote: This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi picking on someone. My purpose for posting is to make others aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and to help others. So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere. And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot". And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10. Just hold your nose. I think a better article, would be finding a survey article that details what the average user wants. Is an out-of-box configuration sufficient ? Maybe that's all you need, for the average user. Having a series of picky people with some level of skill analyze an OS, isn't going to tell naive users what they need to know. Naive users will have trouble with everything you give them. And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have 15 years of Unix experience, and I'm still wasting hours with the rough edges of Linux. Which includes, making a network connection work on a new install (because it's broken for my Intel NIC), when I can't get a web browser to connect to the Internet so I can look up stuff. Between Network Manager and SystemD adding no value to the experience, all I get is more broken NICs for my trouble. The network actually worked at one time, and there were fewer things to go wrong. Nobody has "taste" in the Linux world. They're slaves to convention. A SystemD convention. A PulseAudio convention (when audio did have a migration story that didn't include Pulseaudio). Who really needs all that *extra* aggravation. And they can never leave well enough alone (just like Microsoft). A couple years ago, I found some Linux Distros that could do file sharing *perfectly*. What do I find today ? It's broken again. The "automated Server setup" dialog has disappeared, implying I'm supposed to go back to editing a gawd-awful configuration file. And on the client side, maybe I can't get SMBv1 to work, and there's no documentation about what I have to do to fix it. Yep! I'm glad you can take the time to spell it out, more than I understand. But I know it's true. I've always played with stuff over my head, I know what a wild goose chase looks like. And then Like the original poster mentions Like the "Windows Store" and I'm Like "What store?" That's Like for smartphone users. |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/6/2019 5:48 PM, T wrote:
Hi All, This guy has well though out criticism and not just a fan boi picking on someone.Â* My purpose for posting is to make others aware of the design flaws and to better deal with them and to help others.Â* So, tech evangelists, please take it elsewhere. And yes, he forgot "Fast Boot". And, also yes, not an excuse for not learning 10.Â* Just hold your nose. -T Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 8 Major Reasons https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QSykL1I-WIc Why I stopped using Windows 10 | 2019 Update https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SakjTLUuF-w If you don't want to watch the videos, here is his list. I'd agree with most of this. Life sucks. Windows sucks. What's your alternative? Sure, you can hang on to XP until it no longer meets your needs. I did that for 3 years on Win7. But, changing to win10 is INEVITABLE. Not IF, but WHEN. 1. Windows Updates - As a system admin having the computer force Â*Â* updates on my users makes me rage. I set the GPO and Â*Â* Off-Times, however it still finds a way to update at Â*Â* inconvenient times. I bitched about that deal breaker for a long time. Currently, windows update manager seems to make this bearable. If you have a metered connection, that's a problem. Maybe we should invoice MS for our internet overages. 2. Windows Store - Microsoft store is horrid! It's the worst Â*Â* implementation of forced bloatware and a bold cash grab Â*Â* that just spits in our faces. Windows 8 should of taught Â*Â* Microsoft, but no, it had to continue in Windows 10. 3. Notification Bar - It sucks... its worthless, and overall Â*Â* just pointless. 4. Security Center - This technically started in Windows 7, Â*Â* but has carried on and just become more bloated. I want to Â*Â* pick my Anti-Virus, and choose my firewall settings. Comodo internet security free. 5. Removal of Safe mode on boot - WTF!? I have to boot into Â*Â* Windows hold shift and reboot to get to safe mode? Â*Â* Really!?! Microsoft go home you are drunk! That's not a big deal. The big deal is when you can't boot into windows. But, there's a workaround for that too...if you plan ahead. 6. Security - This could be a video in of itself, Major Â*Â* security issues this past year like the Windows Share Â*Â* exploit from the leaked NSA tools. I am still upset Â*Â* at Microsoft for wasting my weekends patching this. What are you able to do about it? If you were in charge, what would you have done? Your choices may not have been my choices, so I'd still be bitching. 7. Bi-Annual System Upgrades - Why!? just Why!? October Â*Â* update anyone? 8. File Sharing sucks in Windows - Ugh $C and the permissions Â*Â* just make me want to rage You can't please everybody. There is a small percentage of users with REAL problems with some win 10 issues. There are a few people like you and me who like to bitch about perceived injustice. You can be sure that M$ DGAF about any of us. There's some bean counter disconnected from the world of joe average cracking the whip. He cares not one bit if it costs you $100 in time to add 10-cents to the M$ bottom line. He's more interested in that bonus that will pay for a bigger boat. We all hate it, but resistance is futile. It just raises your blood pressure. And computer support is WAY cheaper than medical bills. You can swim against the current or just sit on your inner tube and float along with the current. The Windows 10 waterfall is somewhere downstream. The current will continue downstream whether you like it or not. It's better to plan, even if you're not ready to execute that plan. Resistance is a waste of energy. Frankly, I'm amazed that windows (or linuix) works at all. |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
Mike wrote:
You can't please everybody. My plan is to keep a herd of OSes, like I always have. Even if my swear jar is filled to overflowing with quarters. Paul |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote:
AndÂ*IÂ*stillÂ*don'tÂ*believeÂ*aÂ*bit,Â*theÂ*stori esÂ*aboutÂ*"IÂ*gave myÂ*grandmaÂ*LinuxÂ*andÂ*sheÂ*hasn'tÂ*phonedÂ*back Â*since". I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's HP print support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still call me first though.) I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And I give them desktop icons to press on. They forget about five minutes after I leave that they are not running XP. And they very very seldom ever call me. Windows Garndma's are always calling me. This makes sense if you look at IBM's help desk experience with Windows and Mac. With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues. It is mainly installation of things and training. It is a whole different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them. I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS. I think Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware. Both were solid system, but they just over charged for services and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Netware was just to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain. I did manager very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose to charge for consulting services. When NT hit, Netware was dead. Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was extraordinary. |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/6/19 7:19 PM, Paul wrote:
EvenÂ*ifÂ*myÂ*swearÂ*jarÂ*isÂ*filledÂ*toÂ*overflow ingÂ*withÂ*quarters. Of all the things I've lost, I miss my mind the most --Mark Twain Age is an issue of mind over matter. If you don't mind, it doesn't matter. --Mark Twain |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
T wrote:
On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote: And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's HP print support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still call me first though.) I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And I give them desktop icons to press on. They forget about five minutes after I leave that they are not running XP. And they very very seldom ever call me. Windows Garndma's are always calling me. This makes sense if you look at IBM's help desk experience with Windows and Mac. With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues. It is mainly installation of things and training. It is a whole different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them. I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS. I think Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware. Both were solid system, but they just over charged for services and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Netware was just to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain. I did manager very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose to charge for consulting services. When NT hit, Netware was dead. Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was extraordinary. There's a big difference between Sun and Linux. On SunOS, I could get real work done. The software, the APIs were documented. I could write a program and use a V2 library, and when the V3 library came along, it "didn't break" my program. There was backward compatibility. I'm not a programmer, and I could write networking utilities using their documentation to bootstrap myself. In addition, we designed hardware in VME Sun boxes - we did have to send a couple guys off for a few months to take a "driver writers" course, but other than that, the whole experience was quite pleasurable. When Solaris came along, the edges were a bit rougher at first. But you had Answerbook as reference material, so again, lots of documentation. With Linux, the edges are a lot rougher. Gentoo for example, is relatively decent, in that it's a "from source" kind of distro, but it has a "Manual" for new users to bootstrap from, that's pretty good. A couple weeks ago, I tried my hand at Arch, which is a "source"-like distro. I got as far as getting to a command line terminal, but it was the usual problem getting LightDM working (I *hate* Display Managers). So the experiment stopped there, as I couldn't find any documentation to sort it out. There's just no comparison between the good ole days with Sun, and what I find in Linux now. Yes, sometimes you find Linux stuff that works, but there's a lack of consistency which means every time a new release comes out, stuff that used to work could be broken again. (The lamentable situation with File Sharing being an example. Dammit, it worked *perfectly* at one point. How annoying.) Paul |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/7/19 2:42 AM, Paul wrote:
There'sÂ*justÂ*noÂ*comparisonÂ*betweenÂ*theÂ*good *oleÂ*days withÂ*Sun,Â*andÂ*whatÂ*IÂ*findÂ*inÂ*LinuxÂ*now.Â*Y es,Â*sometimes youÂ*findÂ*LinuxÂ*stuffÂ*thatÂ*works,Â*butÂ*there' sÂ*aÂ*lackÂ*ofÂ*consistency whichÂ*meansÂ*everyÂ*timeÂ*aÂ*newÂ*releaseÂ*comes *out,Â*stuff thatÂ*usedÂ*toÂ*workÂ*couldÂ*beÂ*brokenÂ*again.Â*( TheÂ*lamentable situationÂ*withÂ*FileÂ*SharingÂ*beingÂ*anÂ*example .Â*Dammit, itÂ*worked *perfectly*Â*atÂ*oneÂ*point.Â*HowÂ*annoying.) Â*Â*Â*Paul Ditto, I always shutter when I have to or think about going to the next revision. I test for months in a VM to see what land mines are in place. |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/6/19 7:19 PM, Paul wrote:
EvenÂ*ifÂ*myÂ*swearÂ*jarÂ*isÂ*filledÂ*toÂ*overflow ingÂ*withÂ*quarters. I was fighting last night to get Metasploit running again under Fedora. Seems like every few months it has to be fussed with. I had to uninstall two different postgresql's (10 and 11) and install just one (10). Then manually recreate the Metasploit users and database. Then figure out that the original database would not create because something was wrong with it. When I figured it out and where it was, I just erased the old database and started over, which is what I wanted in the first place. The procedure I followed is now painstakingly documents. I am ready for next months Metasploit debacle. Now, not an admission that I cuss, but I would have filled your cuss jar to the point that the two of us would be in coffee and tea for a few weeks at least. The idea that no gentleman ever swears is all wrong. He can swear and still be a gentleman, if he does it in a nice and benevolent and affectionate way. --Mark Twain - Private and Public Morals speech, 1906 |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/6/19 11:42 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote: And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have a few Grandmas" on Linux.Â* They still call me, but when they buy a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in Firefox.Â*Â* "Its printing!Â* Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print button".Â* Then I show them the print button, again.Â* (Linux's HP print support is getting pretty good as of late.Â* They should still call me first though.) I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP.Â* And I give them desktop icons to press on.Â* They forget about five minutes after I leave that they are not running XP.Â* And they very very seldom ever call me.Â* Windows Garndma's are always calling me.Â* This makes sense if you look at IBM's help desk experience with Windows and Mac. With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues.Â* It is mainly installation of things and training.Â* It is a whole different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them. I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS.Â* I think Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware.Â* Both were solid system, but they just over charged for services and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths.Â* Netware was just to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain.Â* I did manager very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose to charge for consulting services.Â* When NT hit, Netware was dead.Â* Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was extraordinary. There's a big difference between Sun and Linux. On SunOS, I could get real work done. The software, the APIs were documented. I could write a program and use a V2 library, and when the V3 library came along, it "didn't break" my program. There was backward compatibility. I'm not a programmer, and I could write networking utilities using their documentation to bootstrap myself. In addition, we designed hardware in VME Sun boxes - we did have to send a couple guys off for a few months to take a "driver writers" course, but other than that, the whole experience was quite pleasurable. When Solaris came along, the edges were a bit rougher at first. But you had Answerbook as reference material, so again, lots of documentation. With Linux, the edges are a lot rougher. Gentoo for example, is relatively decent, in that it's a "from source" kind of distro, but it has a "Manual" for new users to bootstrap from, that's pretty good. A couple weeks ago, I tried my hand at Arch, which is a "source"-like distro. I got as far as getting to a command line terminal, but it was the usual problem getting LightDM working (I *hate* Display Managers). So the experiment stopped there, as I couldn't find any documentation to sort it out. There's just no comparison between the good ole days with Sun, and what I find in Linux now. Yes, sometimes you find Linux stuff that works, but there's a lack of consistency which means every time a new release comes out, stuff that used to work could be broken again. (The lamentable situation with File Sharing being an example. Dammit, it worked *perfectly* at one point. How annoying.) Â*Â* Paul I though Sun OS was beautifully done, but too expensive to operate. Try your hand at Fedora next. I adore it. |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/6/19 11:55 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 3/7/19 2:42 AM, Paul wrote: There'sÂ*justÂ*noÂ*comparisonÂ*betweenÂ*theÂ*good *oleÂ*days withÂ*Sun,Â*andÂ*whatÂ*IÂ*findÂ*inÂ*LinuxÂ*now.Â*Y es,Â*sometimes youÂ*findÂ*LinuxÂ*stuffÂ*thatÂ*works,Â*butÂ*there' sÂ*aÂ*lackÂ*ofÂ*consistency whichÂ*meansÂ*everyÂ*timeÂ*aÂ*newÂ*releaseÂ*comes *out,Â*stuff thatÂ*usedÂ*toÂ*workÂ*couldÂ*beÂ*brokenÂ*again.Â*( TheÂ*lamentable situationÂ*withÂ*FileÂ*SharingÂ*beingÂ*anÂ*example .Â*Dammit, itÂ*worked *perfectly*Â*atÂ*oneÂ*point.Â*HowÂ*annoying.) Â*Â*Â*Â*Paul Ditto, I always shutter when I have to or think about going to the next revision.Â* I test for months in a VM to see what land mines are in place. Hi Big Al, Since I am a big Fedora guy and it upgrades versions every year, I am use to it. Mostly the updates are already there under to older version so no big surprises. Fedora 29 is rock solid, but Xfce went from 4.12 to 4.12, and 4.13 is a dog -- odd number releases are Xfce's experimental versions and Xfce freely admits it is a dog. I have seven or so bug reports on 4.13. Mate is really solid thought and very similar. Fedora is a shining example of Kaisen (constant improvement). They have a wonderful handle on it. I actually look forward to their updates for all the bug fixes and new features. (Not so with Windows, as I have to hold my breath and hope it works afterwards.) I still run new releases under a VM as you do. I typically have a identical version Fedora in a VM as my host, so I can practice various network things back and forth. -T |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:42:26 -0500, Paul
wrote: T wrote: On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote: And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's HP print support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still call me first though.) I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And I give them desktop icons to press on. They forget about five minutes after I leave that they are not running XP. And they very very seldom ever call me. Windows Garndma's are always calling me. This makes sense if you look at IBM's help desk experience with Windows and Mac. With Linux and Mac, I seldom ever fuss with system issues. It is mainly installation of things and training. It is a whole different.. And explaining that their Internet is down, not them. I stated Unix with Sun OS. It hard to save anything bad about it, but just as soon as found Linux, I dropped Sun OS. I think Sun's big mistake was the same as Novell's Netware. Both were solid system, but they just over charged for services and left a bad taste in everyone's mouths. Netware was just to stinkin' weird and difficult to maintain. I did manager very well, but could not help but think they did it on purpose to charge for consulting services. When NT hit, Netware was dead. Sun's tech support ($300/hr back in the 90's) was extraordinary. There's a big difference between Sun and Linux. On SunOS, I could get real work done. The software, the APIs were documented. I could write a program and use a V2 library, and when the V3 library came along, it "didn't break" my program. There was backward compatibility. I'm not a programmer, and I could write networking utilities using their documentation to bootstrap myself. In addition, we designed hardware in VME Sun boxes - we did have to send a couple guys off for a few months to take a "driver writers" course, but other than that, the whole experience was quite pleasurable. When Solaris came along, the edges were a bit rougher at first. But you had Answerbook as reference material, so again, lots of documentation. With Linux, the edges are a lot rougher. Gentoo for example, is relatively decent, in that it's a "from source" kind of distro, but it has a "Manual" for new users to bootstrap from, that's pretty good. A couple weeks ago, I tried my hand at Arch, which is a "source"-like distro. I got as far as getting to a command line terminal, but it was the usual problem getting LightDM working (I *hate* Display Managers). So the experiment stopped there, as I couldn't find any documentation to sort it out. There's just no comparison between the good ole days with Sun, and what I find in Linux now. Yes, sometimes you find Linux stuff that works, but there's a lack of consistency which means every time a new release comes out, stuff that used to work could be broken again. (The lamentable situation with File Sharing being an example. Dammit, it worked *perfectly* at one point. How annoying.) Although my computer experience goes back further than that for the purpose of this discussion my experience started with Cromemco and their Cromix which in some ways was patterned on Unix. It sang and danced and was extraordinarily well documented. No problems. Then I went to the much richer world of AT&T Unix on a 3B2 system and I could do all kinds of wonderful things. Then I heard that Microsoft had this great operating system called MSDOS. When I read the manual I went Yecch! I think Cromix and Unix were almost the most enjoyable years of my computing experience. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On 3/6/19 11:42 PM, Paul wrote:
Â*Dammit, itÂ*worked *perfectly*Â*atÂ*oneÂ*point.Â*HowÂ*annoying You sound like a Dot Net programmer! :-) Why is it again I need 300,386 different versions of Dot Net installed anyway? |
Reason *TO* pick on Windows 10
On Thu, 07 Mar 2019 02:42:26 -0500, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 3/6/19 6:09 PM, Paul wrote: And I still don't believe a bit, the stories about "I gave my grandma Linux and she hasn't phoned back since". I have a few Grandmas" on Linux. They still call me, but when they buy a new printer. They also often forget where the print button is in Firefox. "Its printing! Who'd you do that?", "I pressed the print button". Then I show them the print button, again. (Linux's HP print support is getting pretty good as of late. They should still call me first though.) I put them on Xfce and configure the toobars to look like XP. And I snippped Paul, kowlegeable guy that you are, you seem to have overlooked the wishes and desires of the typical 'grandma'. She doesn't want to setup network connections (if they are needed the helpful relatives would have done that for her), she also wont be installing virtualbox, or any software that requires downloading. Should she ever need a piece of software available in the software manager, she can do it with one mouse click without a reboot. She will not need to enter terminal mode. Ah, the wonderful reboot, no need to worry about that in windows, windows will do it whether you want it or not. Personally, I would recommend the Mint version of Linux. Now before this reply generates a bunch of responses or heaven forbid, wakes up GoodGuy, let me add I know Linux is not for everyone. Some people have work restrictions and/or need specific windows only programs. But the old argument that Linux is hard to use just won't wash with a distribution like Mint or Ubuntu and Mint comes with just about any program you might normally need. For those slightly (but only just slightly) a little more adventurous than poor old grandma, virtualbox running windows 7 is great for people like me who have a very occasional program needing windows - Intuit willmaker in my case. Not quicken, use Gnucash and it will import all your quicken stuff. The helpful relative can do this for grandma. End of rant! |
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