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Jeffrey Kaplan wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:35:31 +0000]:
Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Paul Miner said:

Sure, so that's just what you need. a whole bunch of icons all over the
desktop.

I'm not quite sure what you're objecting to. With Win 8, as in previous
versions of Windows, you can have icons on the desktop, folders containing
more icons on the desktop, just some/all/none of the basic system icons, or
nothing at all. You have all of the same choices that you've always had. If
you don't want to clutter up your desktop with icons, you surely don't have
to.

I think he's referring to the notion that in order to launch a Desktop
application, it needs a shortcut on the Desktop. Not realizing that
the Start Screen is being used as a full-screen Start Menu.

Oh, I realise it. With the Windows 7 or XP start menu it's much easier to
go through all your apps.
I am using Windows 8 right now with Start8

The Modern (aka Metro) UI is separate from all of that.

No, it's part of the system.

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:40:23 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

Jeffrey Kaplan wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 05:35:31 +0000]:
Previously on alt.cellular.verizon, Paul Miner said:

Sure, so that's just what you need. a whole bunch of icons all over the
desktop.

I'm not quite sure what you're objecting to. With Win 8, as in previous
versions of Windows, you can have icons on the desktop, folders containing
more icons on the desktop, just some/all/none of the basic system icons, or
nothing at all. You have all of the same choices that you've always had. If
you don't want to clutter up your desktop with icons, you surely don't have
to.

I think he's referring to the notion that in order to launch a Desktop
application, it needs a shortcut on the Desktop. Not realizing that
the Start Screen is being used as a full-screen Start Menu.

Oh, I realise it. With the Windows 7 or XP start menu it's much easier to
go through all your apps.
I am using Windows 8 right now with Start8

I dunno... I use both methods and I don't have a problem with either.
And I find putting things right where you want them is actually easier
on the Start Screen vs. the Start Menu.

The Modern (aka Metro) UI is separate from all of that.

No, it's part of the system.

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - 40tude Dialog 2.0.15.84
Centrino Core Solo U1400 1.2GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 7 Pro SP1 (x86)

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BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

I'm proud of you.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:03:13 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

I'm proud of you.

They have a book on how to use Ubuntu? Where can I get one? I for one
have never got Palm support to work (piece of cake under Windows 98
through Windows 8). Maybe there is something in the book about it. And
does the book cover running Ubuntu on a PC tablet? As it has to be
better than running Android on a tablet. Android is one sorry OS. :-(

--
Bill
Motion Computing LE1700 Tablet ('09 era) - 40tude Dialog 2.0.15.84
Centrino Core Solo U1400 1.2GHz - 2GB RAM - Windows 7 Pro SP1 (x86)

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

But most people would...

--
Paul Miner

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Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

But most people would...

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.

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BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:27:26 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:03:13 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

I'm proud of you.

They have a book on how to use Ubuntu? Where can I get one? I for one

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+book

have never got Palm support to work (piece of cake under Windows 98
through Windows 8). Maybe there is something in the book about it. And

Who knows, it just might!

does the book cover running Ubuntu on a PC tablet? As it has to be
better than running Android on a tablet.

Sure, ubuntu runs just fine on the Nexus 7

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On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

... in alt.com.os.windows8.

Also sometimes in alt.comp.os.windows-8 :-) . Cheers, -- tlvp
--
Avant de repondre, jeter la poubelle, SVP.

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"Justin" wrote in message ...

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....


Book or no book...Ubuntu knowledge is probably not going to be of much assistance on Win8.

These may be of value:

http://www.google.com/search?q=Windo...board+shortcut

http://www.google.com/search?q=Navigating+in+Windows+8


--
....winston
msft mvp

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In alt.comp.os.windows-8, Justin wrote:

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.

True .. but it looks *really kool* on your phone! Or on your "Surface"
thing where you get to dance around in a plaza with twenty other people
connecting and unconnecting your skinny little keyboard... (which no
advertisement ever shows being used)

LOL

--
sam

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On 2/13/2013 10:15 PM, Justin wrote:
Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

But most people would...

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.

I too came from starting with Windows 3.1. Although I have been using
GUI OS about 7 years before Windows 3.1. Although saying there is
nothing obvious about what to do under Windows 8... well I have seen
this coming for awhile now and Microsoft has been preparing us for many
years.

Haven't you noticed what happened to Windows Media Player v11? Heck it
even started earlier with WMP v7. They started removing all of the menus
and buttons on the interfaces. Oh the features are still there, but it
wasn't obvious where they are. You had to play around and left and right
click around to find them.

Then they changed other things like Office and IE interfaces. A new
slick and clean looking interfaces we now call the ribbon interface.
Those are not obvious either to use. So Windows 8 isn't really much
different than what is what has been happening all along.

And if you think Windows is tough, there are plenty of Linux interfaces
that are much harder. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2

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On 2/13/2013 10:24 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:27:26 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 14:03:13 -0800, Gene E. Bloch wrote:

On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 13:50:39 -0800]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 17:27:38 +0000 (UTC), Justin wrote:

BillW50 wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 11:12:54 -0600]:

That's it. A fresh install of Windows 8, never using it before, it's
pretty hard to figure out how to even get out of the desktop
back to the start menu tiled interface.

Normally just pressing the Win key will toggle you back and forth (if
you don't have any Metro Apps opened). And don't forget Win+Tab and
Alt-Tab too.

Never having used windows 8 before, the only use I ever had for the
windows key was Win-L to lock my screen. Why would anyone think oh, maybe
the windows key will bring up the start screen?

Win-tab doesn't seem to do anything in windows 7

alt-tab does nothing in windows 7 if no apps are open, so why would
anyone think to use on a desktop with no open apps?

There are some good books available, plus lots of chatter, some useful,
in alt.com.os.windows8.

I don't need a book to figure out how to use Ubuntu....

I'm proud of you.

They have a book on how to use Ubuntu? Where can I get one? I for one

http://lmgtfy.com/?q=ubuntu+book

have never got Palm support to work (piece of cake under Windows 98
through Windows 8). Maybe there is something in the book about it. And

Who knows, it just might!

does the book cover running Ubuntu on a PC tablet? As it has to be
better than running Android on a tablet.

Sure, ubuntu runs just fine on the Nexus 7

Amazing! Linux is free, but Linux support costs an arm and a leg. Seems
to be far cheaper to purchase an OS that doesn't need support to begin
with. ;-)

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2