Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
While the classic Start Menu works fine, I'm trying to get the default Windows 10 start menu to work in the real world, where I have about a dozen categories I've used for decades for software. I organize my software by longstanding categories such as archivers, browsers, cleaners, database programs, editors, finance programs, games, hardware, etc. The problem is I can't seem to get more than 5 groups in the Windows start menu. I searched, but all the articles found to date are how to add a group, but only up until 5. Am I bashing my head against a brick wall in attempting to make the Windows 10 default start menu work in the real world? Is there a trick to get it to have a dozen groups? |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 01:10:47 +0000 (UTC), Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups? While the classic Start Menu works fine, I'm trying to get the default Windows 10 start menu to work in the real world, where I have about a dozen categories I've used for decades for software. I organize my software by longstanding categories such as archivers, browsers, cleaners, database programs, editors, finance programs, games, hardware, etc. The problem is I can't seem to get more than 5 groups in the Windows start menu. I searched, but all the articles found to date are how to add a group, but only up until 5. Am I bashing my head against a brick wall in attempting to make the Windows 10 default start menu work in the real world? Is there a trick to get it to have a dozen groups? I have 9 groups of tiles, organized in 2 columns of groups where each column of groups is 3 "medium" tiles wide. To get 2 columns of groups, I just grabbed the right-hand edge of the start menu and dragged it to the right until it was wide enough. I do not recall any special trick to get 9 groups; I just did it. To create another group, drag a tile and hold it between two groups (one group above, the other below) until a bigger gap opens up between the groups and a coloured horizontal bar appears in the gap. Then drop the tile onto that coloured horizontal bar which will become another group. I presume you are asking about the right-hand side of the Start menu, where the tiles are. -- Kind regards Ralph |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
On 17/03/2018 01:10:47, Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups? While the classic Start Menu works fine, I'm trying to get the default Windows 10 start menu to work in the real world, where I have about a dozen categories I've used for decades for software. I organize my software by longstanding categories such as archivers, browsers, cleaners, database programs, editors, finance programs, games, hardware, etc. The problem is I can't seem to get more than 5 groups in the Windows start menu. I searched, but all the articles found to date are how to add a group, but only up until 5. Am I bashing my head against a brick wall in attempting to make the Windows 10 default start menu work in the real world? Is there a trick to get it to have a dozen groups? Make the tiles smaller, right click on a tile. OR Make the start menu full screen size, Settings/Personalisation -- mick |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5groups?
mick wrote:
Ragnusen Ultred wrote: Is there a trick to get it to have a dozen groups? Make the tiles smaller, right click on a tile. OR Make the start menu full screen size, Settings/Personalisation OR drag the corner of the start menu to make it taller/wider OR tick the "show more tiles on start" setting |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
On Sat, 17 Mar 2018 01:10:47 +0000 (UTC), Ragnusen Ultred
wrote: Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups? While the classic Start Menu works fine, I'm trying to get the default Windows 10 start menu to work in the real world, where I have about a dozen categories I've used for decades for software. I organize my software by longstanding categories such as archivers, browsers, cleaners, database programs, editors, finance programs, games, hardware, etc. The problem is I can't seem to get more than 5 groups in the Windows start menu. I searched, but all the articles found to date are how to add a group, but only up until 5. Am I bashing my head against a brick wall in attempting to make the Windows 10 default start menu work in the real world? Is there a trick to get it to have a dozen groups? Mine works intermittently. There may be something wrong because I get side-panel messages to check my SSD (which disk?) for errors but when I run chkdsk all is well. I'm waiting for that upgrade to fix things. |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
Ralph Fox wrote:
To create another group, drag a tile and hold it between two groups (one group above, the other below) until a bigger gap opens up between the groups and a coloured horizontal bar appears in the gap. Then drop the tile onto that coloured horizontal bar which will become another group. That was it! Auuuurgggghhhh! It's so simple ... once you know the trick! (And once you try it a few times because it's flaky as hell.) 1. This is the setup (unorganized at the moment since I'm trying to get the dozen hierarchical groups done first so only count the number of groups, which is five). http://i.cubeupload.com/CRXVI1.jpg 2. It's flaky as hell, so it doesn't work every time, but if you keep at it, about one out of every five attempts is successful in creating a new group over and above the default of five groups. http://i.cubeupload.com/fhHI1J.jpg My plan is to replace the old tried and true hierarchical cascaded menus with this new untested Windows 10 tiled start menu setup where I just want to be able to find all my programs where I put them. For example, Start archiver {winzip, winrar, 7zip, recuva, jsware, etc.} Start browser chrome-based {opera, epic, iron, etc.} Start browser mozilla-based {firefox, dragon, palemoon, tbb, etc.) Start browser proprietary {ie, edge, etc.} etc. While there was never anything wrong with creating your own cascaded menu /outside/ of the constantly polluted Start programs default menu, Windows 10 just doesn't support cascaded menus anymore (who knows why). So I'm simply trying to reproduce what /everyone/ would want, which is a logical hierarchical menu system using the Windows 10 tiled menu mechanism. Wish me luck and thanks for helping me create that new sixth group! |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
Peter Jason wrote:
Mine works intermittently. You're not kidding! It's as capricious as all hell to try to create a dozen groups! The best I can do, so far, after thirty or forty attempts is seven! http://i.cubeupload.com/9nIoNy.jpg There may be something wrong because I get side-panel messages to check my SSD (which disk?) for errors but when I run chkdsk all is well. I'm waiting for that upgrade to fix things. My disks are fine. It's Windows that is flaky as hell. There must be a /reproducible/ method for creating new groups. It's just crazy the method I'm using, which was kindly suggested by Ralph Fox earlier in this thread - but the mechanism is so flaky that out of thirty or forty attempts, I'm only up to 7 groups. Obviously, there's a trick I'm missing because only a sadistic developer would have designed a system this capricious on purpose. |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
In article , Andy Burns wrote:
OR drag the corner of the start menu to make it taller/wider OR tick the "show more tiles on start" setting I don't think there is a 'setting' for "more groups" but if there was such as setting, I would have hit it loooooooooong ago! :) http://i.cubeupload.com/J1Pm4i.jpg I don't care (yet) about the "size" of the start menu nor of the individual tiles ... what I care about is to have about a dozen meaninful hierarchical groups, e.g., archivers browsers cleaners databases editors finance games hardware etc. We've always had this capability since the Start Menu was created, where it's only in the tiled menus that it's not intuitive how to create a dozen or so groups of your own choosing. To date, I've been able to create 7 groups, after about thirty or forty attempts, so I admit the process is the most flaky I've seen on Windows to date. I just keep trying and trying and trying and trying, and out of all those attempts, I now have 7 of the roughly dozen groups that I want. http://i.cubeupload.com/9nIoNy.jpg |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
mick wrote:
Make the tiles smaller, right click on a tile. OR Make the start menu full screen size, Settings/Personalisation That was all done long ago, where the goal is to have about a dozen hierarchichal "groups". http://i.cubeupload.com/J1Pm4i.jpg The "size" of those groups is meaningless (I think). What matters are the groups. Start archivers (bunch of archivers) Start browsers chrome-based (bunch of chrome-based browsers) Start browsers mozilla-based (bunch of mozilla-based browsers) Start browsers proprietary (bunch of Windows browsers0 Start cleaners (bunch of cleaners) Start databases (bunch of database programs) Start editors text (bunch of text editors) Start editors picture (bunch of picture editors) Start editors video (bunch of video editors) etc. Of course, we had this functionality in spaces with the Windows cascaded start menu, but I'm trying to learn to live within the confines of Windows 10 where all I'm trying to do is what everyone would want to do, which is to have a menu hierarchy of my choosing with the Windows tiled start menu. http://i.cubeupload.com/9nIoNy.jpg |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
In article , Uultred ragnusen wrote:
So I'm simply trying to reproduce what /everyone/ would want, which is a logical hierarchical menu system using the Windows 10 tiled menu mechanism. Ok. I finally found the trick, I think, and, it was devilishly simple, in the end. Sheeesh. I still haven't found a single screenshot on the net showing anyone with a well-organized hierarchy of more than 5 groups (what decent hierarchy only has five groups for heaven's sake?) but I did find out the trick from this Toms Hardware Guide which says to create a new group, all you need to do is "drag and drop a tile into an empty space on the Start Menu". http://www.tomshardware.com/faq/id-3...t-windows.html So now I'm up to the dozen groups that I want, and now I just need to organize them so that they're hierarchical. http://i.cubeupload.com/MpGI2l.jpg NOTE: AFAIK, that's the only screenshot on the entire Internet showing a realistic tiled Win10 start menu, because it has more than 5 groups. |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Is there a trick to get it to have a dozen groups? What's just sadistically crazy is that the descriptions for creating new groups seem devilishly simple, such as this one: https://www.groovypost.com/howto/cre...10-start-menu/ But notice they don't have more than 5 groups, and notice the best I can do (so far) is 7 groups. It's just sick. If you haven't tried to create a dozen groups yourself, you won't know what I'm experiencing. What's crazy is that everyone would want to do what I'm doing, which is simply to replace the cascaded menu hierarchy with the tiled menu hierarchy. https://answers.microsoft.com/en-us/...c-602733769162 And yet, I'll bet you will be hard pressed to find a single screenshot of a Windows 10 tiled menu with a realistic set of more than 5 groups. http://www.simplehow.tips/a/27/11-wa...s10-start-menu http://www.constellationsolutions.co...-groups-wider/ http://www.thewindowsclub.com/group-...-10-start-menu |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
Uultred ragnusen wrote:
And yet, I'll bet you will be hard pressed to find a single screenshot of a Windows 10 tiled menu with a realistic set of more than 5 groups. OK. With your help, I figured it out, where the "trick" did turn out to be devilishly simple, in the end! http://i.cubeupload.com/MpGI2l.jpg So now I'm working on making some of the groups hierarchical. |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5groups?
Ragnusen Ultred wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: tick the "show more tiles on start" setting I don't think there is a 'setting' for "more groups" but if there was such as setting, I would have hit it loooooooooong ago! :) right click empty space in task bar, taskbar settings, start, show more tiles on start i.e. not more groups, just more tiles, but giving you more area for your groups to fit into. |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
Uultred ragnusen wrote:
So now I'm working on making some of the groups hierarchical. Wow. I just accidentally ran across this, which allows us to re-create the well-honed cascaded hierarchical Windows start menu of the days of old (which worked just fine as long as you stayed away from the polluted "programs" hierarchy). https://superuser.com/questions/9845...ll-the-folders With this, I am able to re-create a cascaded hierarchical start menu! http://i.cubeupload.com/6WPuYD.jpg Start my menu editors pic {irfanview, paint, paint.net, pinta, etc.} http://i.cubeupload.com/cB1OU0.jpg Now all I need to do is organize that cascaded menu, and then reproduce it in the Windows 10 default tiled grouped menu. |
Trying to make the Win10 start menu work - can it do more than 5 groups?
Andy Burns wrote:
right click empty space in task bar, taskbar settings, start, show more tiles on start i.e. not more groups, just more tiles, but giving you more area for your groups to fit into. Thanks Andy for that suggestion of "showing more tiles". http://i.cubeupload.com/FJ6YKE.jpg I don't think that button does /anything/ useful, as it was set long ago to show more tiles and the problem of having only five default "groups" remained. In fact, even now with a dozen groups, I clicked the "show more tiles" setting on and off and back on again, and each time, the start menu looked exactly the same. So, I'm not sure /what/ that "show-more-tiles" setting actually accomplishes, but it has always been set to "show more tiles", which is my fault for not making that clear from the start. |
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