I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
ceg wrote on 08/18/2015 11:34 PM:
On WinXP SP3, I used the Firefox browser to download the Windows 10 ISO (64-bit) and am downloading it as we speak. When I burn the ISO to DVD media using ImgBurn on Windows XP, do I need to do anything special to make it a bootable DVD? I'm going to use that ISO to update a Windows 8.1 laptop next week and a Windows 7 laptop. MSFT provides for free the Windows 10 Media Creation tool which can create Win10 installation media in USB/DVD format. When setup.exe on that USB/DVD media is run from within the qualifying o/s, the media can be used to upgrade a qualifying o/s (Win7Sp1 or Win8.0/8.1). The Win10 media does have to be created consistent with the same vintage (same language, edition and architecture) as the qualifying o/s....if not the upgrade installation will fail. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
On 19/08/2015 06:23, . . .winston wrote:
ceg wrote on 08/18/2015 11:34 PM: On WinXP SP3, I used the Firefox browser to download the Windows 10 ISO (64-bit) and am downloading it as we speak. When I burn the ISO to DVD media using ImgBurn on Windows XP, do I need to do anything special to make it a bootable DVD? I'm going to use that ISO to update a Windows 8.1 laptop next week and a Windows 7 laptop. MSFT provides for free the Windows 10 Media Creation tool which can create Win10 installation media in USB/DVD format. When setup.exe on that USB/DVD media is run from within the qualifying o/s, the media can be used to upgrade a qualifying o/s (Win7Sp1 or Win8.0/8.1). The Win10 media does have to be created consistent with the same vintage (same language, edition and architecture) as the qualifying o/s....if not the upgrade installation will fail. Burning the ISO with ImgBurn will create a bootable DVD okay. -- Brian Gregory (in the UK). To email me please remove all the letter vee from my email address. |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
ceg wrote on 08/19/2015 10:01 AM:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 08:54:31 +0100, Brian Gregory wrote: Burning the ISO with ImgBurn will create a bootable DVD okay. I was confused by this "installation tool" from he Installing Windows 10 using the media creation tool http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install It "implies" we need a "media creation tool"; but they're giving us an ISO, so, why would we need this "media creation tool" then? The MCT doesn't need a third party utility to create Win10 usb/dvd media. - i.e. the tool is dual, downloads the bits and creates the media. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
ceg wrote on 08/19/2015 10:44 AM:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 10:09:45 -0400, . . .winston wrote: The MCT doesn't need a third party utility to create Win10 usb/dvd media. - i.e. the tool is dual, downloads the bits and creates the media. Oh. I think I understand now. Does that mean that the Media Creation Tool is just a DVD burner that puts the ISO on a dvd disc (just like what ImgBurn does)? The MCT is a tool (a *.exe file when run) that provides the ability to download the Win10 media and initiate the upgrade of a qualifying o/s to Win10 or create stand-alone media usb/dvd that can be used to upgrade a qualifying o/s at a later point in time. Once a device is upgraded to Windows 10, that same created MCT media (Usb/dvd) can then also be used to perform a clean install of Windows 10 on that same Win 10 device. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
ceg wrote:
On Wed, 19 Aug 2015 11:00:34 -0400, . . .winston wrote: The MCT is a tool (a *.exe file when run) that provides the ability to download the Win10 media and initiate the upgrade of a qualifying o/s to Win10 or create stand-alone media usb/dvd that can be used to upgrade a qualifying o/s at a later point in time. Once a device is upgraded to Windows 10, that same created MCT media (Usb/dvd) can then also be used to perform a clean install of Windows 10 on that same Win 10 device. Thanks for your patience, as the MCT tool seems to be superfluous since MS already supplies an ISO, which is all you really ever need. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install I have directly downloaded both the Win10 32-bit & 64-bit ISO files from: http://www.microsoft.com/en-us/softw...d/windows10ISO Here are the downloaded file names and sizes, if anyone needs them: 32-bit Win10 ISO, filename=Win10_English_x32.iso, filesize=2,298,314KB 64-bit Win10 ISO, filename=Win10_English_x64.iso, filesize=3,988,138KB Your x32 one is corrupt. It's too small. Load those up and test them, before declaring "success". I received two corrupted downloads, this is how I know there is a probability of corruption. Test your images thoroughly. When I tried to "view" my corrupt ISOs, I got a complaint they didn't use a recognized standard. There was no other warning the images were bad. Paul |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
En el artículo , ceg
escribió: Thanks for your patience, as the MCT tool seems to be superfluous since MS already supplies an ISO, which is all you really ever need. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install I'm not sure, but think you need to use the Media Creation tool to get the free upgrade. I don't think downloading the ISOs alone then using them to upgrade an existing WIn7 or 8 system will get you Win10 for free, but could be wrong. The webpages you link to are (as usual for M$) somewhat ambiguous. -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
En el artículo , ceg
escribió: Does Microsoft provide a checksum? They don't seem to. I wish they did, just about everyone else does. -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
Mike Tomlinson wrote on 08/19/2015 1:05 PM:
En el artÃ*culo , ceg escribió: Thanks for your patience, as the MCT tool seems to be superfluous since MS already supplies an ISO, which is all you really ever need. http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...n-tool-install I'm not sure, but think you need to use the Media Creation tool to get the free upgrade. I don't think downloading the ISOs alone then using them to upgrade an existing WIn7 or 8 system will get you Win10 for free, but could be wrong. The webpages you link to are (as usual for M$) somewhat ambiguous. The MCT is not necessary to get the Win10 free upgrade, it just an alternate option in lieu of using Windows Update on a qualifying o/s. When accessing the MCT download url...if not using a qualifying o/s or non-supported browser the page provides the iso files. If using a qualifying o/s the page provides the MCT for creating usb/dvd media. The iso files (are intended to be mounted) in a qualifying o/s, though optionally one can use third party ware to create media. The MCT when created media (usb/dvd) also verifies the integrity of the creation which may not occur when creating media using 3rd party tools. I.e. MSFT is providing the tool with the expectation that Win7/8x users will use it to download the MCT executable and create usb or dvd media for use within a qualifying system. The other route, redirecting to the iso is for non-qualifying o/s (i.e. capable hardware that meet Win10 but require the purchase of a retail product to clean install and activate Win10) -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , ceg escribió: Does Microsoft provide a checksum? They don't seem to. I wish they did, just about everyone else does. They can't. The encryption on the payload is custom on each download. Even if the same customer downloads the same object twice, the checksum is not the same. I learned about this, with my first Win8 downloads, when buying my copy of Win8 for $39.95. I downloaded the file twice, and the hashes I generated were not the same. Since encryption is still being used on Win10 delivery, I see no reason for this behavior to have changed. If you Torrent an MSDN subscription Win10 installer DVD, *that* has a consistent checksum. Paul |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
En el artículo , Paul
escribió: They can't. The encryption on the payload is custom on each download. Even if the same customer downloads the same object twice, the checksum is not the same. Incorrect. As has been shown in another thread, Curt and I separately downloaded the ISO and the checksum/hash that we independently created is the same, meaning we have the *exact* same ISO image. I can't speak for the one created by the Media Creation Tool, though. Since encryption is still being used on Win10 delivery, What is your evidence that the download is encrypted? It's time limited, sure, and a unique ID is created for each download, but that doesn't mean it is encrypted. -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
Mike Tomlinson wrote:
En el artículo , Paul escribió: They can't. The encryption on the payload is custom on each download. Even if the same customer downloads the same object twice, the checksum is not the same. Incorrect. As has been shown in another thread, Curt and I separately downloaded the ISO and the checksum/hash that we independently created is the same, meaning we have the *exact* same ISO image. I can't speak for the one created by the Media Creation Tool, though. Since encryption is still being used on Win10 delivery, What is your evidence that the download is encrypted? It's time limited, sure, and a unique ID is created for each download, but that doesn't mean it is encrypted. There are two kinds of containers in usage. install.esd (encrypted) install.wim (not encrypted) The C:\$WINDOWS.~BT folder happens to have both items in it. Implying the process of populating that folder, involved install.esd on download, and install.wim was converted from install.esd. When an ISO9660 is either made, or downloaded, it all depends on what is inside it. If an ISO9660 contains install.esd, then the checksum of the disc is different for each one. If the ISO9660 contains install.wim, then the checksum should be reproducible from disc to disc. On Windows 8, if you paid $39.95 and downloaded the disc from the Microsoft Store, then the disc contained install.esd. I downloaded the same DVD twice, using the same customer identifier from the purchase, and the checksum on the two discs were different (and both discs worked). I can tell you what to look for, but I can't predict what Microsoft is going to do. The MSDN subscription DVD uses an install.wim, and there is nothing to identify who downloaded it. For any other disc, where you download directly from Microsoft, only Microsoft knows, in their own tiny minds, why the disc should use an install.esd versus an install.wim. As both work at installation time, and the installer knows how to unpack both. Because they're basically both laid out as WIM files, but one is encrypted. And the design of the ESD has changed slightly, in that at one time, the key was in text (XML formatting) right near the end of the file. The third-party decryptor (RSA2 CBC mode) used to extract the text string from the end of the file, to attempt to decrypt the file. But since that tool appeared, Microsoft removed the string at the end of the file. And during Win10 preview, the key was changed a couple of times. (The person who designed the decryptor, tried to keep the default key value inside the tool, for easy usage.) I think DISM may have some way of dealing with these files, so it's probably not an issue for someone using ADK. The ADK for Win10 was not available when I wanted a copy, but the beta of the Win10 ADK was being worked on during the Win10 Preview era. So maybe you can remaster discs now if you want. For an end user, why this is important, is if you need a single file, like bootsect.exe for some reason. If you have media with install.esd, then it's not immediately apparent how you get something out of there. That's why it matters to an end user. The 7ZIP program, used to be able to read install.wim, but with the delivery of Win10, that capability has stopped working. So even the WIM format has been changed in some subtle way. All it would take, is another code point declaration, to throw off 7ZIP. As for the question about how you verify the DVD you've made is good, I couldn't find *anything* on the disc that would seem to have verification capability. Maybe it would be DISM or similar, which can do that. But there didn't appear to be a program in the installer DVD for verifying the manifest. Since the installer doesn't seem to checksum the entire thing it works with, one would assume each file has a check at install time (as many of the files are signed, and the signing could be checked). If you got one of the truncated downloads like I got, I don't know how you would know your downloaded file was bad, short of trying to use it. I got a complaint about the ISO format, and that was my first hint it wasn't complete. Paul |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
En el artículo , ceg
escribió: http://i.imgur.com/N62Hgfp.jpg I like the bit of paper stuck over the webcam. A very sensible precaution given that you sign all rights to privacy over to M$ when you install Win10. Don't forget to do the same with the microphone. -- (\_/) (='.'=) Bunny says: Windows 10? Nein danke! (")_(") |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 06:16:02 +0000 (UTC), ceg
wrote: So, I can answer my original question, which is that all you need is the DVD ISO and nothing else (other than a "qualifying" operating system). I guess the DVD won't work for anyone else after a year... For free upgrades? No, but I would expect it to work just fine for cases where a person has purchased a key. |
I am downloading the Windows 10 ISO (is that all I need)
ceg wrote:
On Sun, 23 Aug 2015 08:36:38 +0100, Mike Tomlinson wrote: I like the bit of paper stuck over the webcam. A very sensible precaution given that you sign all rights to privacy over to M$ when you install Win10. Don't forget to do the same with the microphone. I don't know how to protect the microphone. A bit of paper won't work. How do you protect the mic? The webcam is a module in the LCD panel section. It can be unplugged if you want. But it means disassembly work. On some laptops, the LCD module even differs over the production run. For cheap laptop webcams, they may have more than one module they can plug in, and fill the "hole" in the bezel. The webcam in my laptop works so poorly, that's the only function the webcam serves, is filling that hole. Hackers have discovered how to run webcams, without the indicator light (if present) coming on. So you cannot even rely on the LED indicator as a means of determining when you're being spied on. Paul |
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