Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

I have a PC which I recently reinstalled from scratch because the Windows
Update mechanism was no longer working and all the "try this" remedies
failed to cure it. So it's a brand new vanilla build of Win 10; the only
exception is that I installed Classic Shell to give me a "proper" Start
Menu.

The installation was by downloading the installation files from Microsoft as
part of the "reinstall your PC" option, and I chose to wipe the disk. So
there was no legacy of the previous installation of Win 10. Initially Build
1607 (I think) was installed, but this upgraded itself to Build 1909 as part
of the normal Windows Update process with a newly-installed PC.

Having upgraded, on the next reboot (and for ever since) the image on the
monitor, right from the initial "rotating ring of dots" early in the boot
process, was shifted to the right, and this also affected the desktop once
that appeared. The left hand side of the desktop starts about 1/3 from the
left of the image on the monitor, with the right-hand part of the desktop
being to the left - the whole screen is wrapped round. It is the same at all
resolutions and refresh rates, from 1920x1080x60 down to 800x600x25
(interlaced), though I think the point at which wraparound occurs changes
with resolution. The horizontal shift controls on the monitor and on the
graphics card applet both move the image, but it is the *whole* image: it
does not alter the point at which the desktop wraps round from the RHS to
the LHS of the screen image.

I can't be bothered to get the PC out again to take a photo of the screen,
but this is a simulation of the sort of image I'm seeing, using the desktop
of my Win 7 PC. https://i.postimg.cc/7L90NZ0x/Win-10-wraparound.png

It only affects the VGA (D-Sub) output from the graphics card and/or VGA
input to my monitor. Using the DVI output instead (and corresponding DVI
input to monitor) everything is fine. I've proved that another PC can use
its VGA output to drive the VGA input via the same cable, and that does not
experience the fault. The VGA output on the Win 10 PC used to be fine. The
monitor's on-screen parameter display (pixel resolution, horizontal and
vertical sync frequencies) identical for both VGA and DVI.



I've confirmed that the graphics card driver (ATI Radeon HD 7310) is one
provided by ATI, rather than a generic Microsoft one, and the ATI control
panel applet says that the version of the driver is the latest available.
Windows has correctly detected the make and model of monitor; it is not used
"Generic PnP monitor".


It's no great hardship to drive the monitor from the DVI rather than VGA for
that PC, and to connect another PC to VGA (rather than DVI) input. But I was
curious whether anyone else has noticed the same symptom after upgrading to
1909.

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sidewayson monitor
 

NY wrote:

It only affects the VGA (D-Sub) output from the graphics card and/or VGA
input to my monitor.

Most monitors have an option to auto set the sync settings, tried that?

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sidewayson monitor
 

On 2020-07-17 2:26 p.m., Andy Burns wrote:
NY wrote:

It only affects the VGA (D-Sub) output from the graphics card and/or
VGA input to my monitor.

Most monitors have an option to auto set the sync settings, tried that?

Take a look here re adjustments for VGA settups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYyZgocwvms

Rene

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

"Andy Burns" wrote in message
...
NY wrote:

It only affects the VGA (D-Sub) output from the graphics card and/or VGA
input to my monitor.

Most monitors have an option to auto set the sync settings, tried that?

Sorry, forgot to mention that - yes, I've tried auto-sync. I also tried
changing a couple of sync settings in the ATI applet, but those also made no
difference.

I'll try connecting the PC to another monitor - I've an ancient 1024x768
monitor lying around somewhere - and see what happens. I'd try it with my
wife's monitor or our TV, but both of these only take HDMI input, not VGA.

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sidewayson monitor
 

On 7/17/2020 3:38 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 2020-07-17 2:26 p.m., Andy Burns wrote:
NY wrote:

It only affects the VGA (D-Sub) output from the graphics card and/or
VGA input to my monitor.

Most monitors have an option to auto set the sync settings, tried that?

Take a look here re adjustments for VGA settups

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KYyZgocwvms

Rene

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Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/17/2020 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
A PC or a laptop ? Someone here has a similar problem.

"PC" stands for "personal computer." Both desktops and laptops are PCs.

But many (most?) 'desktops' aren't desktops!

And my laptop is hardly ever on my lap!

And what about the desktop of my laptop?

And what if you don't own your PC? Is it still personal?

Ad infinitum.

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

On 7/20/2020 8:56 AM, Frank Slootweg wrote:
Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/17/2020 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
A PC or a laptop ? Someone here has a similar problem.

"PC" stands for "personal computer." Both desktops and laptops are PCs.

But many (most?) 'desktops' aren't desktops!


True. Neither mine nor my wife's is. But they're still called "desktops."


And my laptop is hardly ever on my lap!


Nor is mine. But it doesn't matter. They are still called laptops and a
laptop is a kind of PC.


And what about the desktop of my laptop?



Call them whatever you want. They're still known as PCs.


And what if you don't own your PC? Is it still personal?


Yes, if its use is personal. But it doesn't matter who owns it. It's
still called a PC. A PC is a small, relatively inexpensive computer as
compared to a mainframe or mini-computer.

Differentiating a desktop, whatever you want to call it, from a laptop,
by calling the desktop a PC and calling the laptop a laptop is simply wrong.



--
Ken

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

On 20 Jul 2020 15:56:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/17/2020 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
A PC or a laptop ? Someone here has a similar problem.

"PC" stands for "personal computer." Both desktops and laptops are PCs.

But many (most?) 'desktops' aren't desktops!

And my laptop is hardly ever on my lap!

And what about the desktop of my laptop?

And what if you don't own your PC? Is it still personal?

Ad infinitum.

I visited someone the ather day who had a laptop on his desk. He had
hooked up to it a wireless keyboard and mouse, and was using an
external screen. During our discussion he plugged in an external
drive. What can you call that conglomeration?
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

In article , Eric Stevens
wrote:

I visited someone the ather day who had a laptop on his desk. He had
hooked up to it a wireless keyboard and mouse, and was using an
external screen. During our discussion he plugged in an external
drive. What can you call that conglomeration?

relatively normal.

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

Eric Stevens wrote:
On 20 Jul 2020 15:56:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/17/2020 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
A PC or a laptop ? Someone here has a similar problem.

"PC" stands for "personal computer." Both desktops and laptops are PCs.

But many (most?) 'desktops' aren't desktops!

And my laptop is hardly ever on my lap!

And what about the desktop of my laptop?

And what if you don't own your PC? Is it still personal?

Ad infinitum.

I visited someone the ather day who had a laptop on his desk. He had
hooked up to it a wireless keyboard and mouse, and was using an
external screen. During our discussion he plugged in an external
drive. What can you call that conglomeration?

During the late 90s, early 00s, we used such a setup (except for the
external drive), both at the office and at (work-at) home, with the
difference that we used a docking station, so no plugging/unplugging of
cables. We carried the laptop from office to home and vice-versa.

Sorry, I can't remember what we called it. We had a thing called an
EWS, Engineering WorkStation, but that was a UNIX (HP-UX) system which
we (also) need for actual technical customer support.

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

On 7/20/2020 5:35 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On 20 Jul 2020 15:56:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/17/2020 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
A PC or a laptop ? Someone here has a similar problem.

"PC" stands for "personal computer." Both desktops and laptops are PCs.

But many (most?) 'desktops' aren't desktops!

And my laptop is hardly ever on my lap!

And what about the desktop of my laptop?

And what if you don't own your PC? Is it still personal?

Ad infinitum.

I visited someone the ather day who had a laptop on his desk. He had
hooked up to it a wireless keyboard and mouse, and was using an
external screen. During our discussion he plugged in an external
drive. What can you call that conglomeration?


A laptop on a desk. It's not uncommon. I know several people with
similar setups.


--
Ken

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sidewayson monitor
 

On 2020-07-21 9:42 a.m., Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/20/2020 5:35 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On 20 Jul 2020 15:56:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/17/2020 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
A PC or a laptop ? Someone here has a similar problem.

"PC" stands for "personal computer." Both desktops and laptops are PCs.

Â*But many (most?) 'desktops' aren't desktops!

Â*And my laptop is hardly ever on my lap!

Â*And what about the desktop of my laptop?

Â*And what if you don't own your PC? Is it still personal?

Â*Ad infinitum.

I visited someone the ather day who had a laptop on his desk. He had
hooked up to it a wireless keyboard and mouse, and was using an
external screen. During our discussion he plugged in an external
drive. What can you call that conglomeration?


A laptop on a desk. It's not uncommon. I know several people with
similar setups.



My Son knows one. Laptop open on desk, Large monitor behind, Can't see
bottom part of monitor, Raises monitor up on a big pile of books.
has to crane neck upwards to see it, complains of sore neck.

Brilliant!!!!!

Rene

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

On Tue, 21 Jul 2020 07:42:23 -0700, Ken Blake
wrote:

On 7/20/2020 5:35 PM, Eric Stevens wrote:
On 20 Jul 2020 15:56:25 GMT, Frank Slootweg
wrote:

Ken Blake wrote:
On 7/17/2020 4:37 PM, Paul wrote:
[...]
A PC or a laptop ? Someone here has a similar problem.

"PC" stands for "personal computer." Both desktops and laptops are PCs.

But many (most?) 'desktops' aren't desktops!

And my laptop is hardly ever on my lap!

And what about the desktop of my laptop?

And what if you don't own your PC? Is it still personal?

Ad infinitum.

I visited someone the ather day who had a laptop on his desk. He had
hooked up to it a wireless keyboard and mouse, and was using an
external screen. During our discussion he plugged in an external
drive. What can you call that conglomeration?


A laptop on a desk. It's not uncommon. I know several people with
similar setups.

This was his normal work setup. I don't believe he ever moved the
laptop around. That was where he normally used it.
--

Regards,

Eric Stevens

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

Rene Lamontagne wrote:


My Son knows one. Laptop open on desk, Large monitor behind, Can't see
bottom part of monitor, Raises monitor up on a big pile of books.
has to crane neck upwards to see it, complains of sore neck.

Before I retired a few years ago, I had a laptop on my desk at work.
It plugged into a docking station, which was connected to the network,
several USB ports, and two large monitors (and power, of course). If I
needed to work from home, I could remove it from the docking station,
put it into its bag, and carry it home. When it was in the docking
station the lid was closed, so it didn't block anything. Very nice!

--
Tim Slattery
tim at risingdove dot com

Upgrade from Win 10 build 1607 to 1909 has shifted image sideways on monitor
 

On 2020-07-22 9:46 a.m., Tim Slattery wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote:


My Son knows one. Laptop open on desk, Large monitor behind, Can't see
bottom part of monitor, Raises monitor up on a big pile of books.
has to crane neck upwards to see it, complains of sore neck.

Before I retired a few years ago, I had a laptop on my desk at work.
It plugged into a docking station, which was connected to the network,
several USB ports, and two large monitors (and power, of course). If I
needed to work from home, I could remove it from the docking station,
put it into its bag, and carry it home. When it was in the docking
station the lid was closed, so it didn't block anything. Very nice!


Yeah, that makes much more sense. :-)

Rene