dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

My task bar has the clock and notification section which shows up on both
screens but next to that are the hardware icons (wifi, sound, safely remove
hardware) and next to that are toolbars.

Next to those three are the pinned icons and eventually the cortana and
windows symbol.

Everything except the toolbars and hardware icons shows up on both screens
task bars.

What setting tells the task bar to show toolbars and hardware icons on both
screens?

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Grease Monkey wrote:
My task bar has the clock and notification section which shows up on both
screens but next to that are the hardware icons (wifi, sound, safely remove
hardware) and next to that are toolbars.

Next to those three are the pinned icons and eventually the cortana and
windows symbol.

Everything except the toolbars and hardware icons shows up on both screens
task bars.

What setting tells the task bar to show toolbars and hardware icons on both
screens?

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/d...onitor-windows

They claim there is a "Taskbar settings" when you right-click
the Task Bar.

Alternately, as an experiment, you can open the Settings wheel
from the lower left, and in the "Search", try typing "Taskbar"
or "Multiple" and see if the right dialog shows up.

Paul

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

On 11/11/2018 5:46 PM, Paul wrote:
Grease Monkey wrote:
My task bar has the clock and notification section which shows up on both
screens but next to that are the hardware icons (wifi, sound, safely
remove
hardware) and next to that are toolbars.

Next to those three are the pinned icons and eventually the cortana and
windows symbol.

Everything except the toolbars and hardware icons shows up on both
screens
task bars.

What setting tells the task bar to show toolbars and hardware icons on
both
screens?

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/d...onitor-windows

They claim there is a "Taskbar settings" when you right-click
the Task Bar.

Alternately, as an experiment, you can open the Settings wheel
from the lower left, and in the "Search", try typing "Taskbar"
or "Multiple" and see if the right dialog shows up.

Â*Â* Paul
They are there just not in the Taskbar settings you have found.

Try Settings; Personalization, Taskbar (at the bottom of that screen);

Multiple displays (Near the bottom of this screen also) There are
several settings for Multiple displays, one of which is "Show Taskbar on
all Displays"

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dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Replying to 11/11 Keith Nuttle

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/d...onitor-windows

They claim there is a "Taskbar settings" when you right-click
the Task Bar.

Alternately, as an experiment, you can open the Settings wheel
from the lower left, and in the "Search", try typing "Taskbar"
or "Multiple" and see if the right dialog shows up.

** Paul
They are there just not in the Taskbar settings you have found.

Try Settings; Personalization, Taskbar (at the bottom of that screen);

Multiple displays (Near the bottom of this screen also) There are
several settings for Multiple displays, one of which is "Show Taskbar on
all Displays"

It's easy to reproduce where both task bars show up on both monitors except
one taskbar has toolbars and the hardware notification section while the
other taskbar does not gave those two sections.

I think this is a Windows bug.

I looked everywhere and have been though those setting many times.
I've had multiple displays for about a year where the problem persists.

It may just be a bug in Windows.

It's hard to describe but if you had two displays you'd see what I mean.
If you don't have "toolbars" on the task bar, you won't see the problem.

Right clicking on the taskbar gets the same settings as
Start | Settings | Personalization | Taskbar | Multiple displays |
Show taskbar on all displays is set to on.
Show taskbar buttons on is set to All taskbars
Combine buttons on other taskbars is set to Always, hide labels

Lock the taskbar is set to Off
Automatically hide the taskbar in desktop mode is set to Off
Automatically hide the taskbar in tablet mode is set to Off
Use small taskbar buttons is set to On
Use Peek to preview is set to Off
Replace Command Prompt is set to Off
Show badges on taskbar buttons is set to Off
Taskbar location on screen is set to Bottom
Combine taskbar buttons is set to Always, hide labels

Both task bars show up on both monitors except one taskbar has toolbars and
the hardware notification section while the other taskbar does not. I think
this is a bug.

In the taskbar settings notification area I have clicked
Select which icons appear on the taskbar
where Always show all icons in the notification area is set to Off (for
testing) or it is set to On for testing, where it doesn't make a
difference.

Turn system icons on or off where all are set to off (for testing)
or all are set to on (for testing) which doesn't make a difference.

Right clicking in the cortana section I can
Show Task View button (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show People on the taskbar (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show Windows Ink Workspace button (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show touch keyboard button (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Cascade windows (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show windows stacked (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show the desktop (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Lock all tasksbars or don't lock them (it won't make a difference)

If you have two monitors can you see the bug where both monitors show the
taskbar but one taskbar is completely missing toolbars and the hardware
notification section?

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Grease Monkey wrote:
Replying to 11/11 Keith Nuttle

https://www.laptopmag.com/articles/d...onitor-windows

They claim there is a "Taskbar settings" when you right-click
the Task Bar.

Alternately, as an experiment, you can open the Settings wheel
from the lower left, and in the "Search", try typing "Taskbar"
or "Multiple" and see if the right dialog shows up.

Paul
They are there just not in the Taskbar settings you have found.

Try Settings; Personalization, Taskbar (at the bottom of that screen);

Multiple displays (Near the bottom of this screen also) There are
several settings for Multiple displays, one of which is "Show Taskbar on
all Displays"

It's easy to reproduce where both task bars show up on both monitors except
one taskbar has toolbars and the hardware notification section while the
other taskbar does not gave those two sections.

I think this is a Windows bug.

I looked everywhere and have been though those setting many times.
I've had multiple displays for about a year where the problem persists.

It may just be a bug in Windows.

It's hard to describe but if you had two displays you'd see what I mean.
If you don't have "toolbars" on the task bar, you won't see the problem.

Right clicking on the taskbar gets the same settings as
Start | Settings | Personalization | Taskbar | Multiple displays |
Show taskbar on all displays is set to on.
Show taskbar buttons on is set to All taskbars
Combine buttons on other taskbars is set to Always, hide labels

Lock the taskbar is set to Off
Automatically hide the taskbar in desktop mode is set to Off
Automatically hide the taskbar in tablet mode is set to Off
Use small taskbar buttons is set to On
Use Peek to preview is set to Off
Replace Command Prompt is set to Off
Show badges on taskbar buttons is set to Off
Taskbar location on screen is set to Bottom
Combine taskbar buttons is set to Always, hide labels

Both task bars show up on both monitors except one taskbar has toolbars and
the hardware notification section while the other taskbar does not. I think
this is a bug.

In the taskbar settings notification area I have clicked
Select which icons appear on the taskbar
where Always show all icons in the notification area is set to Off (for
testing) or it is set to On for testing, where it doesn't make a
difference.

Turn system icons on or off where all are set to off (for testing)
or all are set to on (for testing) which doesn't make a difference.

Right clicking in the cortana section I can
Show Task View button (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show People on the taskbar (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show Windows Ink Workspace button (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show touch keyboard button (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Cascade windows (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show windows stacked (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Show the desktop (on or off, it won't make a difference)
Lock all tasksbars or don't lock them (it won't make a difference)

If you have two monitors can you see the bug where both monitors show the
taskbar but one taskbar is completely missing toolbars and the hardware
notification section?

I think it's design intent to not copy the Task Bars exactly.

You may find a third party software to do it though.
It depends on whether the feature request for it
got implemented.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZp9LYSs/dual-monitor-extend.jpg

I shot video of the second monitor, as the second monitor
is on a VESA plate and a number of feet from my desk.
That way, I didn't have to keep running over and looking
at stuff.

Paul

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Replying to 11/11 Paul

I think it's design intent to not copy the Task Bars exactly.

You may find a third party software to do it though.
It depends on whether the feature request for it
got implemented.

https://i.postimg.cc/DZp9LYSs/dual-monitor-extend.jpg

I shot video of the second monitor, as the second monitor
is on a VESA plate and a number of feet from my desk.
That way, I didn't have to keep running over and looking
at stuff.

Thank you for confirming that I wasn't dreaming that the task bar is
different when you have two monitors.

Two things are different in mine (and I think 3 in yours).

Mine and yours don't have the hardware notification block on both monitors.
I didn't see toolbars on your monitors but I assume you tested them.
(Right click in the taskbar & select toolbars & turn one or two on.)

I saw in the thread in the video of "active" icons versus "pinned" icons.

There is a setting for "active" versus "pinned" icons showing up in the
second monitor which is not my problem at all since that setting works.

If you have it set to show all pinned and active icons in both monitors,
that works just swell. If you turn off that setting, then you only get
active icons in the second monitor and no pinned icons. That works swell.

What doesn't happen, ever, is the two taskbars can never be the same, when
that is what I want. I want both to be the same.

They're almost the same.

The difference is that the second monitor has no toolbars or hardware
notification section.

Is that taskbar difference between monitors a bug or a feature?

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Grease Monkey wrote:


Is that taskbar difference between monitors a bug or a feature?

Well, I found a comment that it's a feature.

I switched on a Quick Launch called Desktop, which is
just the Desktop folder. And only the MSEdge shortcut
shows up in the menu, and not the other items. I guess that
means only Apps are visible, and not Win32 shortcuts.

When I tried to "slide" the Quick Launch "hot spot" to
the other monitor, it wouldn't go.

Effectively, the monitors are "Extended", but the
Task Bars are "(almost) Mirrored".

I don't understand what that's supposed to mean in
terms of a design.

I would have expected that since the two monitors
are right in front of the user, the icons would
"spill across" from one monitor to the other, just
as you can slide windows from one monitor to the other.

There was a time in computing, where you could
"see a hidden rationale in everything". That's
not the case today. Not that I expect 7000 developers
to have a cohesive story.

Paul

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Replying to 11/12 Paul

Effectively, the monitors are "Extended", but the
Task Bars are "(almost) Mirrored".

Thanks for confirming that the taskbars are (almost) mirrored, by design.
One of the 7,000 developers must have thought it was a feature, not a bug.

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Replying to 11/13 Grease Monkey

Thanks for confirming that the taskbars are (almost) mirrored, by design.
One of the 7,000 developers must have thought it was a feature, not a bug.

I've been thinking about the "logic" of that "almost mirroring" since you
wrote that a developer thought it was a good idea.

What's the logic?

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Grease Monkey wrote:
Replying to 11/13 Grease Monkey

Thanks for confirming that the taskbars are (almost) mirrored, by design.
One of the 7,000 developers must have thought it was a feature, not a bug.

I've been thinking about the "logic" of that "almost mirroring" since you
wrote that a developer thought it was a good idea.

What's the logic?

It does allow you to see what's going on, if you're
near the Primary monitor and not the Secondary Monitor.

Other than that, it doesn't seem like a good design call.
People "expect" the spanned mode to span everything, and
put the notifications in the corner of the other monitor.
Making things behave in a mixed fashion, only leaves
people with a "feeling of confusion". They look at
the decorations, then say to themselves "am I in
Mirrored Mode, or what". That's a disadvantage of
mixing concepts at the same time like that.

Paul

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:09:22 -0500, Paul wrote:

Grease Monkey wrote:
Replying to 11/13 Grease Monkey

Thanks for confirming that the taskbars are (almost) mirrored, by design.
One of the 7,000 developers must have thought it was a feature, not a bug.

I've been thinking about the "logic" of that "almost mirroring" since you
wrote that a developer thought it was a good idea.

What's the logic?

It does allow you to see what's going on, if you're
near the Primary monitor and not the Secondary Monitor.

Other than that, it doesn't seem like a good design call.
People "expect" the spanned mode to span everything, and
put the notifications in the corner of the other monitor.
Making things behave in a mixed fashion, only leaves
people with a "feeling of confusion". They look at
the decorations, then say to themselves "am I in
Mirrored Mode, or what". That's a disadvantage of
mixing concepts at the same time like that.

What would be the advantage of stretching the task bar across multiple
monitors? That would seem to me to be extremely awkward, in practice.
I expect the Start button and the Notification area, and everything in
between, to be on a single monitor. I routinely move individual windows
around to one display or another, but I expect the taskbar to be fixed
in one place, on the primary display.

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:09:22 -0500, Paul wrote:

Grease Monkey wrote:
Replying to 11/13 Grease Monkey

Thanks for confirming that the taskbars are (almost) mirrored, by design.
One of the 7,000 developers must have thought it was a feature, not a bug.
I've been thinking about the "logic" of that "almost mirroring" since you
wrote that a developer thought it was a good idea.

What's the logic?
It does allow you to see what's going on, if you're
near the Primary monitor and not the Secondary Monitor.

Other than that, it doesn't seem like a good design call.
People "expect" the spanned mode to span everything, and
put the notifications in the corner of the other monitor.
Making things behave in a mixed fashion, only leaves
people with a "feeling of confusion". They look at
the decorations, then say to themselves "am I in
Mirrored Mode, or what". That's a disadvantage of
mixing concepts at the same time like that.

What would be the advantage of stretching the task bar across multiple
monitors? That would seem to me to be extremely awkward, in practice.
I expect the Start button and the Notification area, and everything in
between, to be on a single monitor. I routinely move individual windows
around to one display or another, but I expect the taskbar to be fixed
in one place, on the primary display.


The idea of spanning, was to make two monitors "seem like
one monitor". If the monitors are different sizes, maybe
conceptually that's no longer spanning and the behavior
changes.

Think of what happens if you use Eyefinity. The hardware
treats three monitors as one monitor in a sense, and the
OS then has the taskbar running across three monitors.
By doing it in hardware, unless the OS people special case
their code, it's going to "look different" to the end user,
once again.

I just don't know if I'm seeing design intent here.
Or whether it's just a mashup of stuff. Stuff happens...
and they say "ship it".

Paul

dual screen doesn't show task bar hardware or toolbars
 

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 13:03:27 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

On Sat, 17 Nov 2018 11:09:22 -0500, Paul wrote:

Grease Monkey wrote:
Replying to 11/13 Grease Monkey

Thanks for confirming that the taskbars are (almost) mirrored, by design.
One of the 7,000 developers must have thought it was a feature, not a bug.

I've been thinking about the "logic" of that "almost mirroring" since you
wrote that a developer thought it was a good idea.

What's the logic?

It does allow you to see what's going on, if you're
near the Primary monitor and not the Secondary Monitor.

Other than that, it doesn't seem like a good design call.
People "expect" the spanned mode to span everything, and
put the notifications in the corner of the other monitor.
Making things behave in a mixed fashion, only leaves
people with a "feeling of confusion". They look at
the decorations, then say to themselves "am I in
Mirrored Mode, or what". That's a disadvantage of
mixing concepts at the same time like that.

What would be the advantage of stretching the task bar across multiple
monitors? That would seem to me to be extremely awkward, in practice.
I expect the Start button and the Notification area, and everything in
between, to be on a single monitor. I routinely move individual windows
around to one display or another, but I expect the taskbar to be fixed
in one place, on the primary display.


I also greatly prefer the task bar to be on a single monitor. A big
part of the reason for my preference is that, with today's wide-screen
monitors, I also prefer to have the task bar on the left side of my
two-screen display, not on the bottom of either. In my opinion, that
makes a much better use of screen real estate.