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philo February 15th 17 08:34 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7

I replaced the drive and installed Win7


The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install,
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to
lack of H/W support.

The machine has now been sent to the recycler

Linea Recta[_2_] February 15th 17 09:53 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
"philo" schreef in bericht
...
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7

I replaced the drive and installed Win7


The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the
CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack
of H/W support.

The machine has now been sent to the recycler




So it had an older processor than Pentium 4?



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Wildman[_2_] February 15th 17 10:12 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:53:38 +0100, Linea Recta wrote:

"philo" schreef in bericht
...
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7

I replaced the drive and installed Win7


The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the
CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack
of H/W support.

The machine has now been sent to the recycler




So it had an older processor than Pentium 4?


Intel started SSE2 with the P4 in 2001 but AMD did not
support it until the release of the Opteron and Athlon 64
chips in 2003.

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Mike Easter February 16th 17 04:07 AM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
philo wrote:
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to
lack of H/W support.


I have a non-SSE2 running Linux Ffx 51.0.1

$ inxi -C
CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB flags: (sse)
clocked at 1397.667 MHz

all cpu flags:
$ inxi -Cf
CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB clocked at
1397.667 MHz
CPU Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr
pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr
sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow


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Paul[_32_] February 16th 17 05:30 AM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
philo wrote:
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7

I replaced the drive and installed Win7


The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install,
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to
lack of H/W support.

The machine has now been sent to the recycler


https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?i...150720&mode=68

"The lack of SSE2 capable CPUs limits the use of many
older x86 based computers - most browsers now require
this feature. The only non-SSE2, lightweight FF alternative
I found that rendered modern CSS/HTML decently was Dooble."

"Firefox can be compiled sans SSE2. Arch Linux i686 compiles without
SSE2 and Firefox works fine. Void Linux requires SSE2 in its
32-bit branch. Alpine Linux offers i386 sans SSE2, so it works
on old machines. Debian and FreeBSD have some arches without SSE2.
Gentoo of course you may tweak as you please via CFLAGS.

AMD never shipped any 32-bit chip with SSE2. Any distro requiring
SSE2 thereby voids all 32-bit AMD CPUs. Distros should use Yeppp! if
you ask me and stop fussing over compile-time flags, let
Yeppp! handle things."

There may be some options. But probably not options
that are "end-user friendly". As a power user, you
could probably deal with the details, but someone who
just wants to use the computer without fussing, they're
not going to be happy with your "bodged solution" :-)

Paul

philo February 16th 17 01:14 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 13:34:26 -0600
philo wrote:

The machine has now been sent to the recycler


Lack of skill on my part

philo February 16th 17 09:29 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On 02/15/2017 02:53 PM, Linea Recta wrote:
"philo" schreef in bericht
...
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7

I replaced the drive and installed Win7


The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install,
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due
to lack of H/W support.

The machine has now been sent to the recycler




So it had an older processor than Pentium 4?






It was an AMD Semperon . I happened to have an Athlon as well but
neither were satisfactory.

AFAIK any P-4 should still be OK



philo February 16th 17 09:30 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On 02/15/2017 03:12 PM, Wildman wrote:
On Wed, 15 Feb 2017 21:53:38 +0100, Linea Recta wrote:

"philo" schreef in bericht
...
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7

I replaced the drive and installed Win7


The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install, the
CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to lack
of H/W support.

The machine has now been sent to the recycler




So it had an older processor than Pentium 4?


Intel started SSE2 with the P4 in 2001 but AMD did not
support it until the release of the Opteron and Athlon 64
chips in 2003.




Thanks for the info.

It did not break my heart to recycle a 16 year old comptuer

philo February 16th 17 09:31 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On 02/15/2017 09:07 PM, Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote:
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to
lack of H/W support.


I have a non-SSE2 running Linux Ffx 51.0.1

$ inxi -C
CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB flags: (sse)
clocked at 1397.667 MHz

all cpu flags:
$ inxi -Cf
CPU: Single core AMD Geode NX (-UP-) cache: 256 KB clocked at
1397.667 MHz
CPU Flags: fpu vme de pse tsc msr pae mce cx8 apic sep mtrr
pge mca cmov pat pse36 mmx fxsr
sse syscall mp mmxext 3dnowext 3dnow




I am sure there are versions of Linux that would run fine but I really
need to keep the clutter in my workshop down

philo February 16th 17 09:32 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On 02/15/2017 10:30 PM, Paul wrote:
philo wrote:
I was given a 2ghz AMD machine with 2 gigs of RAM and a bad HD with XP.
In theory that should have been ok for Win7

I replaced the drive and installed Win7


The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install,
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due
to lack of H/W support.

The machine has now been sent to the recycler


https://distrowatch.com/weekly.php?i...150720&mode=68

"The lack of SSE2 capable CPUs limits the use of many
older x86 based computers - most browsers now require
this feature. The only non-SSE2, lightweight FF alternative
I found that rendered modern CSS/HTML decently was Dooble."

"Firefox can be compiled sans SSE2. Arch Linux i686 compiles without
SSE2 and Firefox works fine. Void Linux requires SSE2 in its
32-bit branch. Alpine Linux offers i386 sans SSE2, so it works
on old machines. Debian and FreeBSD have some arches without SSE2.
Gentoo of course you may tweak as you please via CFLAGS.

AMD never shipped any 32-bit chip with SSE2. Any distro requiring
SSE2 thereby voids all 32-bit AMD CPUs. Distros should use Yeppp! if
you ask me and stop fussing over compile-time flags, let
Yeppp! handle things."

There may be some options. But probably not options
that are "end-user friendly". As a power user, you
could probably deal with the details, but someone who
just wants to use the computer without fussing, they're
not going to be happy with your "bodged solution" :-)

Paul




Agreed. The machine was painfully slow...it;s now gone


I still have another just like it...it has Vista on in and was last used
maybe five years ago

Mike Easter February 16th 17 10:32 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
philo wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote:
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser
due to lack of H/W support.


I have a non-SSE2 running Linux Ffx 51.0.1


I am sure there are versions of Linux that would run fine but I
really need to keep the clutter in my workshop down


I completely understand. I definitely need to retire/recycle that
machine; there is no place I know who would be re-using it. I'm the
only person I know who would bother :-)

If I would jettison that box, there's a much newer faster one right over
yonder that I could be using which is currently out of reach (unless I
get out of my chair) :-/




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pjp[_10_] February 17th 17 02:40 AM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
In article , lid
says...

philo wrote:
Mike Easter wrote:
philo wrote:
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser
due to lack of H/W support.

I have a non-SSE2 running Linux Ffx 51.0.1


I am sure there are versions of Linux that would run fine but I
really need to keep the clutter in my workshop down


I completely understand. I definitely need to retire/recycle that
machine; there is no place I know who would be re-using it. I'm the
only person I know who would bother :-)

If I would jettison that box, there's a much newer faster one right over
yonder that I could be using which is currently out of reach (unless I
get out of my chair) :-/


If it'll run XP I'd likely use it for one thing only. I'm in the habit
of connecting a pc to both a tv and stereo. If the unit is fast enough
to play a XVID video of 720x480 with 192Kbs audio without stuttering
while being fed over a network connection I'd find it still usable.
Usually also means I have to add an old video card with tv-out on it
also but I have a old stockpile of them.

I've setup "fiends" with similar and that's all they use it for given
the don't even have any internet connection.

Bonus in keeping one of the old boxes alive is they still use the old
IDE drives and I've got a nice little stack of them here still large
enough to be usable. They work fine as shared drives for extra backups
etc. Note - it's getting harder to find external IDE enclosures for
3.5" drives most now only 2.5" or SATA instead.

Mike Easter February 17th 17 04:23 AM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
pjp wrote:
Bonus in keeping one of the old boxes alive is they still use the old
IDE drives and I've got a nice little stack of them here still large
enough to be usable. They work fine as shared drives for extra backups
etc. Note - it's getting harder to find external IDE enclosures for
3.5" drives most now only 2.5" or SATA instead.


Speaking of over-the-hill IDE hardware, not only do I have a stack of
IDEs from 5, 40, and 80G, I also have removable IDE trays and their docks.

Collections of gangs of USB sticks of various sizes take up a lot less
room :-)

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Char Jackson February 17th 17 07:39 AM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On Thu, 16 Feb 2017 21:40:59 -0400, pjp
wrote:

If it'll run XP I'd likely use it for one thing only. I'm in the habit
of connecting a pc to both a tv and stereo. If the unit is fast enough
to play a XVID video of 720x480 with 192Kbs audio without stuttering
while being fed over a network connection I'd find it still usable.


Wow, xvid. I used that from about 1998 to 2001. Lots of water has passed
under the bridge since then. Thanks for the flashback.

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Char Jackson

Mr. Man-wai Chang February 17th 17 12:44 PM

No sense in reviving old computers
 
On 16/02/2017 3:34 AM, philo wrote:
The machine must have been 15 years old and though Win7 would install,
the CPU has no SSE2 so I was not able to install any new browser due to
lack of H/W support.


What browser? IE? Or Firefox? :)

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