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Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as
being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. Buffalo |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
"Buffalo" wrote in message ... I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for use) restore points. Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore. -- ....w♂妤比 ms mvp windows 2007-2016, insider mvp 2016-2018 |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
....w♂妤比 wrote:
"Buffalo" wrote in message ... I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for use) restore points. Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore. Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's done. Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still... |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w♂妤比 wrote: "Buffalo" wrote in message ... I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for use) restore points. Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore. Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's done. Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still... Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings. What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I made, then apparently nothing. Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s? - Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition. - The need for end-users to re-enable SR if desired. What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be. -- ...w♂妤比 msft mvp windows experience 2007-2016, insider mvp 2016-2018 |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 00:30:41 -0400, ...w♂妤比
wrote: What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be. That pretty much sums up why I don't use Windows 10 for anything important and likely never will. I have a couple of Win10 VMs that run for no real reason other than for me to watch in amusement as they self-update. |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
....w♂妤比 wrote:
Frank Slootweg wrote: ...w♂妤比 wrote: "Buffalo" wrote in message ... I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for use) restore points. Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore. Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's done. Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still... Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings. What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I made, then apparently nothing. Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s? - Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition. - The need for end-users to re-enable SR if desired. Unless Buffalo was wrong/unclear, SR was on before the update. He said it was off after the update, so something changed it. As you said, the update process had to turn it off, so after the update it should have turned it back on, but it didn't. So my "Nope." was in response to your "Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.". The user already *had* specified his 'desire' *before* the update, so there should be no need to do it *again*. What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be. It's not about what users *want*, but what the user has *set*. If a user setting can be changed at will, then don't make it a user setting. |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
Frank Slootweg wrote:
...w♂妤比 wrote: Frank Slootweg wrote: ...w♂妤比 wrote: "Buffalo" wrote in message ... I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for use) restore points. Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore. Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's done. Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still... Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings. What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I made, then apparently nothing. Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s? - Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition. |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
....w♂妤比 wrote:
[...] Still doesn't negate the truth of my statement that if the user wants SR enabled, after a major build update turns it off, the user needs to re-enable it. Whether we like it or not....what it should do, doesn't happen. After 3 yrs of Win10 doing the same(turning SR off) on major build updates and multiple requests(public, private, Insiders, Feedback) on what it 'should do' the current state(off) remains the same. OK. Thanks for your clarification. Buffalo's post seemed to imply that this was a new thing/problem with *this* update. Apparently it's not. Anyway, as mentioned in another thread, this (SR issue) is the least of the problems with this update. I'll continue to stay away from 10 for the moment and probably as long as possible/practible. |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
On Fri, 5 Oct 2018 11:25:35 -0400, ...w♂妤比
wrote: Frank Slootweg wrote: ...w♂妤比 wrote: Frank Slootweg wrote: ...w♂妤比 wrote: "Buffalo" wrote in message ... I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. A previous SR point after a major update(like 1809 and earlier major releases) is useless since it can not restore to the previous o/s version/build. Turning SR off deletes all previous and no longer capable(for use) restore points. Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore. Nope. The OS shouldn't mess with the user's settings. So if the OS needed to temporarily turn off SR, it should turn it back on after it's done. Yes, I noticed the 'Newsgroups:' header, but still... Never said it should or shouldn't mess with user desired settings. What does 'Nope' in your response apply to? If neither of the two points I made, then apparently nothing. Previous SR points are useless b/c cant' restore to a previous major o/s? - Keep in mind, even though this is Win10, SR points in W7 and earlier couldn't restore a previous o/s or even to a pre-Service Pack condition. - The need for end-users to re-enable SR if desired. Unless Buffalo was wrong/unclear, SR was on before the update. He said it was off after the update, so something changed it. As you said, the update process had to turn it off, so after the update it should have turned it back on, but it didn't. So my "Nope." was in response to your "Thus the need, if desired, for the end-user to re-enable System Restore.". The user already *had* specified his 'desire' *before* the update, so there should be no need to do it *again*. What users want isn't the current state and most likely will never be. It's not about what users *want*, but what the user has *set*. If a user setting can be changed at will, then don't make it a user setting. Still doesn't negate the truth of my statement that if the user wants SR enabled, after a major build update turns it off, the user needs to re-enable it. Whether we like it or not....what it should do, doesn't happen. After 3 yrs of Win10 doing the same(turning SR off) on major build updates and multiple requests(public, private, Insiders, Feedback) on what it 'should do' the current state(off) remains the same. My advice has always been to turn System Restore off on all volumes. It looks like Microsoft just might agree with me if they keep turning it off. ;-) |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
Buffalo wrote:
I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. Buffalo I just did the 1809, and this is my result. https://i.postimg.cc/d3y8rHNY/system...ed_17763_1.gif I don't normally set the disk space to that high a value for SR, so cannot say whether some software used its imagination or what happened. My normal setting would be in the 3GB range perhaps. Paul |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
Char Jackson wrote:
[...] My advice has always been to turn System Restore off on all volumes. It looks like Microsoft just might agree with me if they keep turning it off. ;-) Where's the fun it that!? Why ruin a prevent opportunity to corrupt your system by doing a System Restore!? |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
"Paul" wrote in message ... Buffalo wrote: I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. Buffalo I just did the 1809, and this is my result. https://i.postimg.cc/d3y8rHNY/system...ed_17763_1.gif I don't normally set the disk space to that high a value for SR, so cannot say whether some software used its imagination or what happened. My normal setting would be in the 3GB range perhaps. Paul My System Restore was turned off after the update to 1809 but it was ON before the update. I just mentioned it because others that want System Restore ON might not notice that it was turned off BY that update, that's all. Buffalo |
Oct Win 10 64 bit Update and Restore Point
Buffalo wrote:
"Paul" wrote in message ... Buffalo wrote: I noticed that after the update, my C:\ Drive was no longer selected as being ON for Restore. I turned it back to ON. This has happened before, after some other updates, so check you status if you use System Restore. Buffalo I just did the 1809, and this is my result. https://i.postimg.cc/d3y8rHNY/system...ed_17763_1.gif I don't normally set the disk space to that high a value for SR, so cannot say whether some software used its imagination or what happened. My normal setting would be in the 3GB range perhaps. Paul My System Restore was turned off after the update to 1809 but it was ON before the update. I just mentioned it because others that want System Restore ON might not notice that it was turned off BY that update, that's all. Buffalo What I would have expected from Microsoft, is to turn them all OFF. I'm more surprised to find my SR is ON. That's an unexpected result. Paul |
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