Safari
 

It's been quite a while since I last tried Safari, so I thought I
would give it another try to see what's changed in it. So I just
downloaded and installed it.

Before I decide whether I like it or not, I'd appreciate any tips from
Safari users here. Any settings I should choose? Any add-ins? Anything
else I should know or do?

Safari
 

In article , Ken Blake
wrote:

It's been quite a while since I last tried Safari, so I thought I
would give it another try to see what's changed in it. So I just
downloaded and installed it.

how/where did you find it?

safari for windows was discontinued in 2012, six years ago, and apple
pulled all references to download it.

there is a download link for the old version still on apple's servers,
but one must dig a bit to find it.

if you obtained it from anywhere other than apple, it could be
compromised.

safari for mac and ios continues to be updated, and if you downloaded
the mac version, it's not going to work at all for obvious reasons (ios
is not a separate download).

Before I decide whether I like it or not, I'd appreciate any tips from
Safari users here. Any settings I should choose? Any add-ins? Anything
else I should know or do?

don't expect much, as safari for windows is obsolete, lacks numerous
recent security patches and likely won't work with modern web sites
which require a browser more recent than 2012.

Safari
 

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:17:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10

It's been quite a while since I last tried Safari, so I thought I
would give it another try to see what's changed in it. So I just
downloaded and installed it.

I presume you are talking about Apple's web browser. The last version
of Safari for Windows was version 5.1.7 in May 2012. So unless you
have not tried Safari for over 6 years, or unless you are not using
Windows 10 (the topic of this group) but MacOS or iOS, then nothing at
all has changed.

Before I decide whether I like it or not, I'd appreciate any tips from
Safari users here. Any settings I should choose? Any add-ins? Anything
else I should know or do?

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

Safari
 

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 08:02:48 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:17:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10

It's been quite a while since I last tried Safari, so I thought I
would give it another try to see what's changed in it. So I just
downloaded and installed it.

I presume you are talking about Apple's web browser. The last version
of Safari for Windows was version 5.1.7 in May 2012. So unless you
have not tried Safari for over 6 years, or unless you are not using
Windows 10 (the topic of this group) but MacOS or iOS, then nothing at
all has changed.

Before I decide whether I like it or not, I'd appreciate any tips from
Safari users here. Any settings I should choose? Any add-ins? Anything
else I should know or do?

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.



Thanks very much. In that case, I won't waste any more time on it.

Safari
 

On 06/08/2018 04:19 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 08:02:48 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:17:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10

It's been quite a while since I last tried Safari, so I thought I
would give it another try to see what's changed in it. So I just
downloaded and installed it.

I presume you are talking about Apple's web browser. The last version
of Safari for Windows was version 5.1.7 in May 2012. So unless you
have not tried Safari for over 6 years, or unless you are not using
Windows 10 (the topic of this group) but MacOS or iOS, then nothing at
all has changed.

Before I decide whether I like it or not, I'd appreciate any tips from
Safari users here. Any settings I should choose? Any add-ins? Anything
else I should know or do?

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.



Thanks very much. In that case, I won't waste any more time on it.



Give Brave a shot:

http://www.brave.com

Safari
 

On 06/08/2018 04:47 PM, T wrote:
On 06/08/2018 04:19 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 08:02:48 +1200, Ralph Fox
wrote:

On Fri, 08 Jun 2018 12:17:26 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:

Newsgroups: alt.comp.os.windows-10

It's been quite a while since I last tried Safari, so I thought I
would give it another try to see what's changed in it. So I just
downloaded and installed it.

I presume you are talking about Apple's web browser.Â* The last version
of Safari for Windows was version 5.1.7 in May 2012.Â* So unless you
have not tried Safari for over 6 years, or unless you are not using
Windows 10 (the topic of this group) but MacOS or iOS, then nothing at
all has changed.

Before I decide whether I like it or not, I'd appreciate any tips from
Safari users here. Any settings I should choose? Any add-ins? Anything
else I should know or do?

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.



Thanks very much. In that case, I won't waste any more time on it.



Give Brave a shot:

http://www.b



Safari on Apple stinks. I install Firefox and Brave on Mac's.
Doesn't take long for them to forget Safari.

Safari
 

On 06/08/2018 03:02 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:

[snip[

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.

Safari (Mac OS) is at version 11.1, making 5.1.7 look old.

Safari
 

In article ,
lid says...

On 06/08/2018 03:02 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:

[snip[

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.

Safari (Mac OS) is at version 11.1, making 5.1.7 look old.

Is there a Windows browser that uses the Safari rendering engine?

--

Phil, London

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On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 21:16:02 +0100, Philip Herlihy wrote:

Is there a Windows browser that uses the Safari rendering engine?

There is Midori. http://midori-browser.org/

Midori has not been updated since August 2015.
Even so, that is still more recent than Safari for Windows.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

🦊

Safari
 

On Sat, 9 Jun 2018 11:41:55 -0500, Sam E wrote:
On 06/08/2018 03:02 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:

[unsnip[

The last version
of Safari for Windows was version 5.1.7 in May 2012. So unless you
have not tried Safari for over 6 years, or unless you are not using
Windows 10 (the topic of this group) but MacOS or iOS, then nothing at
all has changed.

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.

Safari (Mac OS) is at version 11.1, making 5.1.7 look old.

This is the Windows 10 newsgroup, and that won't be much use on Windows 10.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

🦊

Safari
 

Philip Herlihy wrote:
In article ,
lid says...
On 06/08/2018 03:02 PM, Ralph Fox wrote:

[snip[

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.
Safari (Mac OS) is at version 11.1, making 5.1.7 look old.

Is there a Windows browser that uses the Safari rendering engine?


You can track that down with Wikipedia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Safari_(web_browser)

Webkit, Nitro

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit

"On June 2, 2008, the WebKit project announced they rewrote
JavaScriptCore as "SquirrelFish", a bytecode interpreter.
The project evolved into SquirrelFish Extreme (abbreviated SFX,
marketed as Nitro), announced on September 18, 2008, which
compiles JavaScript into native machine code, eliminating
the need for a bytecode interpreter and thus speeding
JavaScript execution."

So Nitro is a JIT Javascript compiler for web content.

....

HTH,
Paul

Safari
 

In article ,
Philip Herlihy wrote:


IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.

Safari (Mac OS) is at version 11.1, making 5.1.7 look old.

Is there a Windows browser that uses the Safari rendering engine?

chrome uses apple's webkit, although google forked it several years
back, so it will be very close but not exactly the same.

Safari
 

"Philip Herlihy" wrote

| Is there a Windows browser that uses the Safari rendering engine?
|

Chrome. Opera.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WebKit

I gets confusing. Chrome userAgent also says Safari
and "like Gecko" I guess that's because they want
websites to treat them the same. They're implying
that their version of WebKit is equivalent to both Safari
and the Firefox Gecko engine. Firefox UA, on the other
hand, just says Gecko.

I've never really used Chrome or Safari. I avoid doing
business with either Google or Apple as much as
possible. So maybe WebKit is like Gecko. I don't know.

The really bizarre UA is Microsoft's Edge:

Mozilla/5.0 (Windows NT 10.0; Win64; x64) AppleWebKit/537.36 (KHTML, like
Gecko) Chrome/64.0.3282.140 Safari/537.36 Edge/17.17134

It pretends to be every browser except the one it is,
never admitting that it's actually an IE derivative,
basically IE with all the IE-specific functionality stripped
out. (All prior versions of IE have "MSIE" in the UA.)

I haven't used Edge, either. (I haven't even
allowed IE online since about 2000.) But I'm
guessing that Edge is not really all that similar
to WebKit or Gecko. There seem to be a lot of
complaints about its rendering.

Safari
 

On Sat, 09 Jun 2018 16:46:46 -0400, nospam wrote:

In article ,
Philip Herlihy wrote:


IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.

Safari (Mac OS) is at version 11.1, making 5.1.7 look old.

Is there a Windows browser that uses the Safari rendering engine?

chrome uses apple's webkit, although google forked it several years
back, so it will be very close but not exactly the same.


The fork was in 2013, just one year after Safari stopped supporting Windows.

When I compared Chrome with GNOME Web (a.k.a. Epiphany) which uses
Webkit (the Safari rendering engine) on Linux, I saw some differences
especially with rendering SVG.

FWIW the JavaScript engines for Chrome and Safari have always been different.


--
Kind regards
Ralph

🦊

Safari
 

In article , Ralph Fox
wrote:

IME Safari 5.1.7 is a little bit out of date as web standards go.

Safari (Mac OS) is at version 11.1, making 5.1.7 look old.

Is there a Windows browser that uses the Safari rendering engine?

chrome uses apple's webkit, although google forked it several years
back, so it will be very close but not exactly the same.

The fork was in 2013, just one year after Safari stopped supporting Windows.

coincidence. one had absolutely nothing to do with the other.

When I compared Chrome with GNOME Web (a.k.a. Epiphany) which uses
Webkit (the Safari rendering engine) on Linux, I saw some differences
especially with rendering SVG.

what some linux app did with an unknown version of webkit is not
relevant to what safari itself does.

FWIW the JavaScript engines for Chrome and Safari have always been different.

yep, with chrome not being as optimized as safari.