Microsoft end of support dates
Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001!
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." |
Microsoft end of support dates
On 7/9/20 3:51 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote:
Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." I did not use Windows 1, but I did use an Apple IIe for years. The Apple II series was sold for 17 years, which is rather amazing. Even the IIe version, with just minor changes, sold for 11 years. Then they had an Apple IIe on a card made for Macs (I had one of those in a lab I ran). The Apple IIgs was also backward compatible with it -- I used to own one of the Woz signed ones. I loaned it out and it was stolen -- which really irked me. Oh well. -- Personal attacks from those who troll show their own insecurity. They cannot use reason to show the message to be wrong so they try to feel somehow superior by attacking the messenger. They cling to their attacks and ignore the message time and time again. |
Microsoft end of support dates
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:51:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." Those who used it regarded Windows 1.0 as obsolete almost from the beginning. -- Regards, Eric Stevens |
Microsoft end of support dates
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:30:22 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote:
On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:51:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." Those who used it regarded Windows 1.0 as obsolete almost from the beginning. I never even heard of it and wondered why Windows 2 was the first one. When I looked up that query, I found there was a windows 1. But it's very odd they supported it until 2001, by which times we'd had Windows 2, 3, 95, 98, NT 4 (and 1, 2, 3?) 2000. Another oddity, what was Windows ME for? Once 2000 was out, we had an NT based OS which also played games. ME was pointless. |
Microsoft end of support dates
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 00:00:55 +0100, Snit wrote:
On 7/9/20 3:51 PM, Commander Kinsey wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." I did not use Windows 1, but I did use an Apple IIe for years. The Apple II series was sold for 17 years, which is rather amazing. Even the IIe version, with just minor changes, sold for 11 years. Then they had an Apple IIe on a card made for Macs (I had one of those in a lab I ran). The Apple IIgs was also backward compatible with it -- I used to own one of the Woz signed ones. I loaned it out and it was stolen -- which really irked me. Oh well. It's a pity Apple don't do compatibility any more. Every time a new connector comes out, they ditch the old one. I remember having to throw away or donate printers etc when we changed to Macs with USB on them instead of serial ports. PCs however kept the serial and parallel ports, and some made now still have them! |
Microsoft end of support dates
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:30:22 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:51:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." Those who used it regarded Windows 1.0 as obsolete almost from the beginning. I never even heard of it and wondered why Windows 2 was the first one. When I looked up that query, I found there was a windows 1. But it's very odd they supported it until 2001, by which times we'd had Windows 2, 3, 95, 98, NT 4 (and 1, 2, 3?) 2000. That 2001 date was also the time they stopped supporting MSDOS 6 as well as Win 2 & 3 which depended on it or lower versions. Win95 & 98 ran on MSDOS 7+. Not sure what they mean by "support" since there were no automactic updates over the internet for MSDOS and Win3 & below. Another oddity, what was Windows ME for? Once 2000 was out, we had an NT based OS which also played games. ME was pointless. I think the 9x (which includes ME) line was meant for home users, whereas the NT line was for business. MS changed their minds when they released XP. |
Microsoft end of support dates
On 10 Jul 2020, Commander Kinsey wrote
(in article op.0njap7viwdg98l@glass): On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:30:22 +0100, Eric wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:51:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." Those who used it regarded Windows 1.0 as obsolete almost from the beginning. I never even heard of it and wondered why Windows 2 was the first one. When I looked up that query, I found there was a windows 1. But it's very odd they supported it until 2001, by which times we'd had Windows 2, 3, 95, 98, NT 4 (and 1, 2, 3?) 2000. there was never any NT 1 or 2. NT started with 3, actually 3.1. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_NT Basically, it takes Microsoft at least three tries to get a good product out the door. Win 1 stunk. Win 2 stunk worse. Win 3 was actually usable, but required more work. Win 3.1 and then Win 3.1.1 followed. NT 3 was never actually released; NT3.1 was... problematic. NT 3.5 and then NT 3.51 quickly came out. NT 4 was... not so good. NT 5 fixed most of the problems. NT 5.1 (a.k.a XP) ruled the desktop for a very long time indeed. Note that Vista was NT 6 and Win 7 was NT 6.1, Win 8 was NT 6.2, and Win 8.1 was NT 6.3... Another oddity, what was Windows ME for? Win ME was the last of the branch of MS OSes which started with Win 95. Once 2000 was out, we had an NT based OS which also played games. NT was, officially, for business and for servers. Win 95 and derivatives were for home use, including games. Some hardware vendors (Compaq) did things like having two lines of hardware, one for home with 95 and later, one for business with NT, and supplying drivers only for the particular line. A Compaq Presario of the time and a Compaq DeskPro of the time had fairly similar specs, but one was 95/98/98SE/ME and one was NT 3.x/4/5. More importantly, the Deskpro cost $1000-2000 more than the Presario. If you put NT on the Presario, none of the drivers for the on-board hardware would work; Compaq really wanted you to buy a DeskPro if you wanted to run NT. ME was pointless. ME was the worst MS OS since Bob (you don’t want to know about Bob. You really don’t. Bob was a total disaster, the gold standard of what never, ever, to do in an OS. It’s still the worst thing Microsoft has ever released. Yes, worse than Zune. Worse than Windows RT. Worse than Kin. The only reason why the project manager in charge of Bob wasn’t fired was that she was married to Bill.), and the worst until Win 8. It was basically 98SE plus the interface from NT 5 plus tons of bugs, and was intended for home use. NT 5.1, XP, killed off ME by having a home use version as well as a business version. |
Microsoft end of support dates
On 10 Jul 2020, Apd wrote
(in article ): "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:30:22 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:51:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." Those who used it regarded Windows 1.0 as obsolete almost from the beginning. I never even heard of it and wondered why Windows 2 was the first one. When I looked up that query, I found there was a windows 1. But it's very odd they supported it until 2001, by which times we'd had Windows 2, 3, 95, 98, NT 4 (and 1, 2, 3?) 2000. That 2001 date was also the time they stopped supporting MSDOS 6 as well as Win 2 & 3 which depended on it or lower versions. Win95& 98 ran on MSDOS 7+. 95/98/98SE/ME were actual OSes. Win 1/2/3.x were applications running on DOS. |
Microsoft end of support dates
On 10/07/2020 13.29, Wolffan wrote:
On 10 Jul 2020, Apd wrote (in article ): "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:30:22 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:51:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." Those who used it regarded Windows 1.0 as obsolete almost from the beginning. I never even heard of it and wondered why Windows 2 was the first one. When I looked up that query, I found there was a windows 1. But it's very odd they supported it until 2001, by which times we'd had Windows 2, 3, 95, 98, NT 4 (and 1, 2, 3?) 2000. That 2001 date was also the time they stopped supporting MSDOS 6 as well as Win 2 & 3 which depended on it or lower versions. Win95& 98 ran on MSDOS 7+. 95/98/98SE/ME were actual OSes. Win 1/2/3.x were applications running on DOS. Not quite, not that simple. Windows 3 replaced several bios and msdos interrupts with their own versions, and added new ones. Like 32 bit disk access. You can consider them as extensions to the OS, but not applications. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
Microsoft end of support dates
On 10 Jul 2020, Carlos E.R. wrote
(in article ): On 10/07/2020 13.29, Wolffan wrote: On 10 Jul 2020, Apd wrote (in article ): "Commander Kinsey" wrote: On Fri, 10 Jul 2020 01:30:22 +0100, Eric Stevens wrote: On Thu, 09 Jul 2020 23:51:43 +0100, "Commander Kinsey" wrote: Just found this beauty: Windows 1.0 ran from 1985 until 2001! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_1.0 "Windows 1.0 was released on November 20, 1985" "On December 31, 2001, Windows 1.0 was declared obsolete and Microsoft stopped providing support and updates for the system." Those who used it regarded Windows 1.0 as obsolete almost from the beginning. I never even heard of it and wondered why Windows 2 was the first one. When I looked up that query, I found there was a windows 1. But it's very odd they supported it until 2001, by which times we'd had Windows 2, 3, 95, 98, NT 4 (and 1, 2, 3?) 2000. That 2001 date was also the time they stopped supporting MSDOS 6 as well as Win 2 & 3 which depended on it or lower versions. Win95& 98 ran on MSDOS 7+. 95/98/98SE/ME were actual OSes. Win 1/2/3.x were applications running on DOS. Not quite, not that simple. Windows 3 replaced several bios and msdos interrupts with their own versions, and added new ones. Like 32 bit disk access. You can consider them as extensions to the OS, but not applications. That’s fair. I called ‘em apps because you could fire ‘em up by typing ‘win’ at the. command line. Win 95 and following had a sort of terminal app (‘cmd’) which could do command-line things, but users didn’t need to type ‘win’ anymore. It’s been a _long_ time since I last went anywhere near Win 1/2/3.x or 95/98/98SE/ME. Basically I’ve used NT or Mac or Linux on desktop/laptop systems since those OSes were available, and various big iron OSes on IBM/Harris/DEC/Prime/Burroughs main frame and mini systems. I can still remember, barely, how to boot a Prime or a Harris. Totally forgot how start up a PDP or a VAX, though I could probably figure it out if I was sitting at the terminal. |
Microsoft end of support dates
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Wolffan wrote: Totally forgot how start up a PDP or a VAX, though I could probably figure it out if I was sitting at the terminal. for the pdp, toggle in a boot loader on the front panel. |
Microsoft end of support dates
"Wolffan" wrote:
On 10 Jul 2020, Apd wrote: That 2001 date was also the time they stopped supporting MSDOS 6 as well as Win 2 & 3 which depended on it or lower versions. Win95 & 98 ran on MSDOS 7+. 95/98/98SE/ME were actual OSes. Win 1/2/3.x were applications running on DOS. Win9x used MSDOS as a boot loader (NT has its own) and had other connections to it. Some DOS-loaded drivers could be used under 9x. |
Microsoft end of support dates
"Commander Kinsey" wrote:
Another oddity, what was Windows ME for? Once 2000 was out, we had an NT based OS which also played games. ME was pointless. Windows 2000 was originally intended to be what XP ended up being - an NT version for both business and home use. They didn't quite get there, so they released only the business version, but, around the time they were completing XP, a service pack for 2000 was released that backported the key features of XP to 2000, and it became more compatible with old games, etc. As for Windows Me, the idea was to redesign the 9x line to be more like 2000, for example it included the new TCP/IP in 2000 (and in 95, 98, 98 SE and NT 4, it had been abysmal, so that was one thing in Me's favor). The problem was that for many if not most computers, Me was far less stable than 98 SE. There were exceptions to that, but it was released with a lot of flaws. -- Joel Crump |
Microsoft end of support dates
On 10/07/2020 18.02, Joel wrote:
"Commander Kinsey" wrote: Another oddity, what was Windows ME for? Once 2000 was out, we had an NT based OS which also played games. ME was pointless. Windows 2000 was originally intended to be what XP ended up being - an NT version for both business and home use. They didn't quite get there, so they released only the business version, but, around the time they were completing XP, a service pack for 2000 was released that backported the key features of XP to 2000, and it became more compatible with old games, etc. As for Windows Me, the idea was to redesign the 9x line to be more like 2000, for example it included the new TCP/IP in 2000 (and in 95, 98, 98 SE and NT 4, it had been abysmal, so that was one thing in Me's favor). The problem was that for many if not most computers, Me was far less stable than 98 SE. There were exceptions to that, but it was released with a lot of flaws. I bought a desktop computer at the time that came with Windows Me - I did not find it specially faulty. Later I upgraded it to Linux and double booted. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
Microsoft end of support dates
"Carlos E.R." wrote:
As for Windows Me, the idea was to redesign the 9x line to be more like 2000, for example it included the new TCP/IP in 2000 (and in 95, 98, 98 SE and NT 4, it had been abysmal, so that was one thing in Me's favor). The problem was that for many if not most computers, Me was far less stable than 98 SE. There were exceptions to that, but it was released with a lot of flaws. I bought a desktop computer at the time that came with Windows Me - I did not find it specially faulty. Later I upgraded it to Linux and double booted. Yeah, a friend of mine bought a computer that came with WinMe, and for him it was just fine. But others had serious problems with it. Kind of strange, and yet we're seeing similar issues with Win10 today - an update works for some people and royally screws up with others. -- Joel Crump |
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