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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
Full story: https://www.forbes.com/sites/gordonkelly/2018/09/08/microsoft-windows-7-monthly-charge-windows-10-free-upgrade-cost/#1bfa5ed12db1 Microsoft MSFT +0.44% has always described Windows 10 “as a service” and leaks have already revealed new monthly charges are coming. Of course, for Windows 7 owners this was never something they expected to pay. But times change… In a new blog post entitled “Helping customers shift to a modern desktop”, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. If this date rings a bell, that’s because it is the day Microsoft will end ‘Extended Support’ for Windows 7 according to the company’s Lifecycle page. This means no more patches or security updates unless, as we now learn, you pay. Furthermore, Microsoft says it will increase the cost of this every year. ..... more .... -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£½ä¿ú! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ¤£¨D¯«! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
Microsoft's Windows 7 Extended Support Pricing Announced
Microsoft's Windows 7 Extended Support Pricing Announced
Full story: https://www.petri.com/microsofts-windows-7-extended-support-pricing-announced With less than a year of support for Windows 7, Microsoft has begun heavily pushing Microsoft 365 and other programs that they hope will entice customers who have yet to migrate. But for those who have not made the move or plan on sticking with Windows 7, pricing for extended support has been announced. As with the previous version of Windows, pricing will double each year after the expiration of public support for the operating system. Pricing is listed below: Windows 7 Extended Security Updates * Year 1 (January 2020 through January 2021): Windows 7 Pro is $50 per device, Windows Enterprise (add-on) is $25 per device. * Year 2 (January 2021 through January 2022): Windows 7 Pro is $100 per device, Windows Enterprise (add-on) is $50 per device. * Year 3 (January 2022 through January 2023): Windows 7 Pro is $200 per device, Windows Enterprise (add-on) is $100 per device. ..... more .... -- @~@ Remain silent! Drink, Blink, Stretch! Live long and prosper!! / v \ Simplicity is Beauty! /( _ )\ May the Force and farces be with you! ^ ^ (x86_64 Ubuntu 9.10) Linux 2.6.39.3 ¤£*ɶU! ¤£¶BÄF! ¤£½ä¿ú! ¤£´©¥æ! ¤£¥´¥æ! ¤£¥´§T! ¤£¦Û±þ! ¤£¨D¯«! ½Ð¦Ò¼{ºî´© (CSSA): http://www.swd.gov.hk/tc/index/site_...sub_addressesa |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
[snip] In a new blog post entitled “Helping customers shift to a modern desktop”, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ -- Mark Lloyd http://notstupid.us/ "Faith is believing something you know ain't true." - Samuel Clemens "Mark Twain", American author |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
pjp wrote in
: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. I don't usually comment on the validity of a post, but what we have here is an example of a response being fired off after mis/not reading the original post and not doing any kind of research on the validity of the content. As not@mail, stated, the proposed charge is if a user still running Windows 7 wants to continue to receive security updates, they will have to pay for it, since Windows 7 is about five versions back or so, if one counts the semiannual updates of Windows 10 as new versions. If Microsoft really tried to bill for the continued use of Windows 7 intself it would be violating its own Terms of Use, and would more than likely face a raft of lawsuits from corporate users still using the platform. Microsoft has fully depreciated the capital cost of Windows 7 and its term of support, and has no legal basis to start charging a user fee for continued use. But it would be interesting to see them try it. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/2019 4:33 PM, lonelydad wrote:
pjp wrote in : In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. I don't usually comment on the validity of a post, but what we have here is an example of a response being fired off after mis/not reading the original post and not doing any kind of research on the validity of the content. As not@mail, stated, the proposed charge is if a user still running Windows 7 wants to continue to receive security updates, they will have to pay for it, since Windows 7 is about five versions back or so, if one counts the semiannual updates of Windows 10 as new versions. If Microsoft really tried to bill for the continued use of Windows 7 intself it would be violating its own Terms of Use, and would more than likely face a raft of lawsuits from corporate users still using the platform. Microsoft has fully depreciated the capital cost of Windows 7 and its term of support, and has no legal basis to start charging a user fee for continued use. But it would be interesting to see them try it. They're already doing it. They're dropping support. They're changing stuff so that it won't run on win7. Hardware and software vendors won't continue support indefinitely. Office 365. YOU will be running win10 eventually, at least for stuff that requires it... or you'll do without that capability. There's enough business usage to support MS. Non-business apps guarantee a supply of workers that know how to use MS products and business can't justify the training required to move to linux, except in specific tightly controlled environments. It will be interesting to see how business reacts when new recruits have no computer experience beyond twitter. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Mike
wrote: Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. It's inevitable. it is not. The cellphone model already does that. it does not. Want data? No problem. Fork over $40 a line for 4 lines and get lotsa data, whether you use it or not. wifi at home and/or work is free, as are most public wifi hotspots. get a pay for what you use data plan for the phone, or none at all if rarely away from wifi. Somebody has to pay for that Superbowl commercial. not relevant. Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop. yep. Android has the phone market. as does ios. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote:
Linux*has*not*offered*a*viable*alternative* for*the*desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article ,
says... pjp wrote in : In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. I don't usually comment on the validity of a post, but what we have here is an example of a response being fired off after mis/not reading the original post and not doing any kind of research on the validity of the content. As not@mail, stated, the proposed charge is if a user still running Windows 7 wants to continue to receive security updates, they will have to pay for it, since Windows 7 is about five versions back or so, if one counts the semiannual updates of Windows 10 as new versions. If Microsoft really tried to bill for the continued use of Windows 7 intself it would be violating its own Terms of Use, and would more than likely face a raft of lawsuits from corporate users still using the platform. Microsoft has fully depreciated the capital cost of Windows 7 and its term of support, and has no legal basis to start charging a user fee for continued use. But it would be interesting to see them try it. And my response is still that it's MS's long term "plan" to charge to use and never "own" anything. Win7 and security updates is just the first of many to come. And my take is "the product clearly had defects when it was "sold" to me otherwise there'd be no need for fixes" therefore they are obligated to fix any and all problems for "eternity". If not then they should be legally obligated to release the source code to public domain so others can instead. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
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Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , pjp
wrote: I do not nor ever plan to own a cell phone. I have no need nor desire. Closest "free" wi-fi hotspot for me is larger town which is almost an hour away. you're the lone exception, and an hour away is not far at all. https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/...ifi-distance-r ecord-237-miles/ WiFi's flame burns on in Latin America, however, where researcher Ermanno Pietrosemoli has managed to shoot an 802.11 signal 382 kilometers (237 miles) between two mountains in the Venezuelan Andes |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 02/11/2019 8:26 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , pjp wrote: I do not nor ever plan to own a cell phone. I have no need nor desire. Closest "free" wi-fi hotspot for me is larger town which is almost an hour away. you're the lone exception, and an hour away is not far at all. https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/...ifi-distance-r ecord-237-miles/ WiFi's flame burns on in Latin America, however, where researcher Ermanno Pietrosemoli has managed to shoot an 802.11 signal 382 kilometers (237 miles) between two mountains in the Venezuelan Andes He certainly is NOT the lone exception, Myself, My son and at least two friends do not own and will probably never buy a cell phone. Rene |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote: I do not nor ever plan to own a cell phone. I have no need nor desire. Closest "free" wi-fi hotspot for me is larger town which is almost an hour away. you're the lone exception, and an hour away is not far at all. https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/...ifi-distance-r ecord-237-miles/ WiFi's flame burns on in Latin America, however, where researcher Ermanno Pietrosemoli has managed to shoot an 802.11 signal 382 kilometers (237 miles) between two mountains in the Venezuelan Andes He certainly is NOT the lone exception, Myself, My son and at least two friends do not own and will probably never buy a cell phone. meanwhile, more than 2 *billion* smartphones are in use. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/19 6:11 PM, pjp wrote:
In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: Linux*has*not*offered*a*viable*alternative* for*the*desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. I have always felt if Linux had games equal to Windows would do it. There is always Wine, but it is not for the faint of heart. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: I do not nor ever plan to own a cell phone. I have no need nor desire. Closest "free" wi-fi hotspot for me is larger town which is almost an hour away. you're the lone exception, and an hour away is not far at all. https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/...ifi-distance-r ecord-237-miles/ WiFi's flame burns on in Latin America, however, where researcher Ermanno Pietrosemoli has managed to shoot an 802.11 signal 382 kilometers (237 miles) between two mountains in the Venezuelan Andes He certainly is NOT the lone exception, Myself, My son and at least two friends do not own and will probably never buy a cell phone. meanwhile, more than 2 *billion* smartphones are in use. In areas where the infrastructure is different and there are fewer choices. Just recently, two Indian brothers got into a price war on telecommunications services, until one of the brothers declared bankruptcy. And that's a place you'd want that cell of yours. That kind of price war isn't coming here any time soon. I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP, because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect here for a landline. Paul |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
T wrote:
On 2/11/19 6:11 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. I have always felt if Linux had games equal to Windows would do it. There is always Wine, but it is not for the faint of heart. So WINE ("Wine Is Not an Emulator") spits out a few warnings. What's not to like ? Since the executables don't have access to the physical layer on disk drives, commercial software attempting to write license patterns in places they shouldn't, are blocked. It's the same for Bash shell in Windows 10. It's denied the usage of /dev, which limits things you can do with it. That's the price you pay for compatibility layers. They have to be made a tiny bit hack-resistant. WINE access ~/.wine/Drive_C/ or similar, and your C drive is underneath that point. There is a mechanism to fake a registry. There is a copy of Notepad and possibly Regedit for your amusement. Bash shell accesses your C drive as /mnt/c and your Windows home would be /mnt/c/users/username. Attempts from Win10 Bash shell, to access /dev/sda will fail. Paul |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
Rene Lamontagne wrote in news:gceptmFsntaU1
@mid.individual.net: On 02/11/2019 8:26 PM, nospam wrote: In article , pjp wrote: I do not nor ever plan to own a cell phone. I have no need nor desire. Closest "free" wi-fi hotspot for me is larger town which is almost an hour away. you're the lone exception, and an hour away is not far at all. https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/...-set-new-wifi- distance-r ecord-237-miles/ WiFi's flame burns on in Latin America, however, where researcher Ermanno Pietrosemoli has managed to shoot an 802.11 signal 382 kilometers (237 miles) between two mountains in the Venezuelan Andes He certainly is NOT the lone exception, Myself, My son and at least two friends do not own and will probably never buy a cell phone. Rene My cell phone is a Tracfone with a pay as you go setup. I hardly ever use it myself, except when my son calls, or I am calling for the taxi. I have an adroid tablet that is always with me that I use as a super DayTimer, wifi only. Works for me. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 02/11/2019 8:45 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: I do not nor ever plan to own a cell phone. I have no need nor desire. Closest "free" wi-fi hotspot for me is larger town which is almost an hour away. you're the lone exception, and an hour away is not far at all. https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/...ifi-distance-r ecord-237-miles/ WiFi's flame burns on in Latin America, however, where researcher Ermanno Pietrosemoli has managed to shoot an 802.11 signal 382 kilometers (237 miles) between two mountains in the Venezuelan Andes He certainly is NOT the lone exception, Myself, My son and at least two friends do not own and will probably never buy a cell phone. meanwhile, more than 2 *billion* smartphones are in use. That brings up a great experience I just had (not). 1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. 2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. 3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? Not a chance in Hell. Rene |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 02/11/2019 9:06 PM, T wrote:
On 2/11/19 6:11 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: Linux*has*not*offered*a*viable*alternative* for*the*desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. I have always felt if Linux had games equal to Windows would do it. There is always Wine, but it is not for the faint of heart. Wine is for drinking Cake are square PI is round. :-) Rene |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 02/11/2019 10:15 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 02/11/2019 8:45 PM, nospam wrote: In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: I do not nor ever plan to own a cell phone. I have no need nor desire. Closest "free" wi-fi hotspot for me is larger town which is almost an hour away. you're the lone exception, and an hour away is not far at all. https://www.engadget.com/2007/06/19/...ifi-distance-r ecord-237-miles/ *** WiFi's flame burns on in Latin America, however, where researcher *** Ermanno Pietrosemoli has managed to shoot an 802.11 signal 382 *** kilometers (237 miles) between two mountains in the Venezuelan Andes He certainly is NOT the lone exception, Myself, My son and at least two friends do not own and will probably never buy a cell phone. meanwhile, more than 2 *billion* smartphones are in use. That brings up a great experience I just had (not). *1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. *2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. *3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? Not a chance in Hell. Rene Error- 2 ladies Not 32... Big fingers = poor typing Rene |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote: That brings up a great experience I just had (not). 1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. 2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. 3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 12/02/2019 03.08, pjp wrote:
And my take is "the product clearly had defects when it was "sold" to me otherwise there'd be no need for fixes" therefore they are obligated to fix any and all problems for "eternity". If not then they should be legally obligated to release the source code to public domain so others can instead. It was sold "as is". -- Cheers, Carlos. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 02/11/2019 10:29 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: That brings up a great experience I just had (not). 1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. 2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. 3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. Didn't say "all" 8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Rene Lamontagne
wrote: That brings up a great experience I just had (not). 1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. 2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. 3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. Didn't say "all" 8 in one day is a helluva lot more than a few out of 2 billion who use smartphones, no, and you can't extrapolate from just one day either. how many days did nothing happen? how many people were using phones and you didn't even notice? |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 22:19:49 -0500, Paul wrote:
I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP, because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect here for a landline. $55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering. As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a VoIP adapter). Google Voice is still free and works pretty well, although individual calls are limited to 3 hours. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/2019 5:49 PM, T wrote:
On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: Linux*has*not*offered*a*viable*alternative* for*the*desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph. Linux is a perfect solution for a closed/limited appliance like your shop. The missing 95% turns off people with general purpose systems. Most people are not looking for a hobby fixing linux issues. They want to get right on to posting pictures of their cat. It takes only one missing piece to sour the deal. Linux users are quick to denigrate people with expectations different from their own. Linux would have far better market penetration if they'd catered to general users starting 20 years ago. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Char Jackson
wrote: I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP, because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect here for a landline. $55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering. As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a VoIP adapter). usually, voip-voip calls are free, while calls to/from ptsn are not. Google Voice is still free and works pretty well, although individual calls are limited to 3 hours. it's not voip, although there are ways to use it as such. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On Tue, 12 Feb 2019 01:25:49 -0500, nospam
wrote: In article , Char Jackson wrote: I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP, because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect here for a landline. $55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering. As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a VoIP adapter). usually, voip-voip calls are free, while calls to/from ptsn are not. GV calls within the US and Canada are free, but limited to 3 hours. International calls start at $0.01 per minute, depending on the called country. The called number can be PSTN, or not. It's still free. Google Voice is still free and works pretty well, although individual calls are limited to 3 hours. it's not voip, although there are ways to use it as such. I use it with an Obihai ATA and it looks like VoIP to me. I vaguely recall that it might have been SIP back when it was launched, but that's ~10 years ago so I don't remember for sure. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/19 7:30 PM, Paul wrote:
T wrote: On 2/11/19 6:11 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. I have always felt if Linux had games equal to Windows would do it. There is always Wine, but it is not for the faint of heart. So WINE ("Wine Is Not an Emulator") spits out a few warnings. What's not to like ? Since the executables don't have access to the physical layer on disk drives, commercial software attempting to write license patterns in places they shouldn't, are blocked. It's the same for Bash shell in Windows 10. It's denied the usage of /dev, which limits things you can do with it. That's the price you pay for compatibility layers. They have to be made a tiny bit hack-resistant. WINE access ~/.wine/Drive_C/ or similar, and your C drive is underneath that point. There is a mechanism to fake a registry. There is a copy of Notepad and possibly Regedit for your amusement. Bash shell accesses your C drive as /mnt/c and your Windows home would be /mnt/c/users/username. Attempts from Win10 Bash shell, to access /dev/sda will fail. ** Paul I use it on a daily basis. Only about 1/2 of the Windows programs will run. And of those only about 1 in 5 run completely normally. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
pjp wrote:
In article , says... pjp wrote in : In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. I don't usually comment on the validity of a post, but what we have here is an example of a response being fired off after mis/not reading the original post and not doing any kind of research on the validity of the content. As not@mail, stated, the proposed charge is if a user still running Windows 7 wants to continue to receive security updates, they will have to pay for it, since Windows 7 is about five versions back or so, if one counts the semiannual updates of Windows 10 as new versions. If Microsoft really tried to bill for the continued use of Windows 7 intself it would be violating its own Terms of Use, and would more than likely face a raft of lawsuits from corporate users still using the platform. Microsoft has fully depreciated the capital cost of Windows 7 and its term of support, and has no legal basis to start charging a user fee for continued use. But it would be interesting to see them try it. And my response is still that it's MS's long term "plan" to charge to use and never "own" anything. You don't own software. You buy a licence that allows you to use it. Win7 and security updates is just the first of many to come. And my take is "the product clearly had defects when it was "sold" to me otherwise there'd be no need for fixes" therefore they are obligated to fix any and all problems for "eternity". If not then they should be legally obligated to release the source code to public domain so others can instead. Good luck getting that heard. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 2/11/19 10:19 PM, Mike wrote:
On 2/11/2019 5:49 PM, T wrote: On 2/11/19 5:15 PM, Mike wrote: Linux*has*not*offered*a*viable*alternative* for*the*desktop. Actually Linux Desktop are a wonderful substitute from Windows. I run my shop on Fedora Xfce and am tickled with it. What keep folks away is that Linux does not have but about 5% of the application base as Windows, if that. Your second paragraph contradicts your first paragraph. Linux is a perfect solution for a closed/limited appliance like your shop. The missing 95% turns off people with general purpose systems. Most people are not looking for a hobby fixing linux issues. They want to get right on to posting pictures of their cat. It takes only one missing piece to sour the deal. Linux users are quick to denigrate people with expectations different from their own.* Linux would have far better market penetration if they'd catered to general users starting 20 years ago. It is a lot closer now than you think. Those folks I moved to Linux can't even tell the difference. They are back to checking out the Cute Cat (no such thing, but I digress) videos on You Tube in an instance. And if get about 100 times more call on fixing system issues with Windows than I do with Linux and Apple. Once I set up Windows and Apple, there is hardly anything for me to do, except the occasional training. It is a world of difference. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Char Jackson
wrote: I don't own a cellphone/smartphone either. I do use VOIP, because it's cheaper than the $55 per month they expect here for a landline. $55...yikes, someone must be very proud of their telco offering. As for VoIP being cheaper, I assume you mean free (after acquiring a VoIP adapter). usually, voip-voip calls are free, while calls to/from ptsn are not. GV calls within the US and Canada are free, but limited to 3 hours. International calls start at $0.01 per minute, depending on the called country. The called number can be PSTN, or not. It's still free. google voice is not really a voip provider and only recently offered voip support. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Google_Voice#VoIP_services Google Voice permits Voice Over IP (VoIP) as a beta from both the web and Android clients. It formerly supported XMPP signaling but no longer does. However, it has been reported that at one time some users could receive calls with their Google Voice accounts via the Session Initiation Protocol (SIP). Google Voice is still free and works pretty well, although individual calls are limited to 3 hours. it's not voip, although there are ways to use it as such. I use it with an Obihai ATA and it looks like VoIP to me. I vaguely recall that it might have been SIP back when it was launched, but that's ~10 years ago so I don't remember for sure. obihai is one of the ways to use gv as a 'normal phone', originally via xmpp, which is no longer supported. i'm not sure what it uses now. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 19:13:24 -0400, pjp
wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. It's worth noting the charge is only if people want to get updates, not to use Windows 7. If one wants to take the risk, they can continue to use 7 without having to pay anything. If they should ever try charging, for any OS, as you suggest, I expect a mass migration to iOS or Linux. I know from personal experience that the Mint distro of Linux has a look and feel like Windows, so there won't be much of a learning curve. -- Shill #3. Los Angeles Branch. Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp counselor. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5...202191d3_b.jpg All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/ |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On Mon, 11 Feb 2019 17:15:47 -0800, Mike wrote:
On 2/11/2019 3:13 PM, pjp wrote: In article , lid says... On 2/11/19 8:00 AM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote: [snip] In a new blog post entitled ?Helping customers shift to a modern desktop?, Microsoft has announced that it will indeed start charging Windows 7 customers a monthly fee from January 14th 2020, if they want to keep their computers safe. This SHOULD refer to security updates, not permission to use the OS. [snip[ When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's what Bill Gates once said a long time ago, e.g. he was entitled for payment everytime you used the software and not just the once when purchased. It's MS's intent to force the industry into this model wether it best for their customers or not. Want to use Word for an hour, that'll be $1.00 please, tack on another dollar for "whatever". etc. etc. they'll nickel and dime us to death. Sorry but FUC*K THAT. It's inevitable. The cellphone model already does that. Want data? No problem. Fork over $40 a line for 4 lines and get lotsa data, whether you use it or not. I pay $40/month for unlimited data and text. But at a cost of only 100 minutes a month. And they don't roll over. For me, this has not been an issue. Oh, after a set amount of data, it goes from 4G LTE to 3G. But there is no additional cost for me. I've yet to reach the limit, so this is also not an issue for me. Somebody has to pay for that Superbowl commercial. Linux has not offered a viable alternative for the desktop. I disagree. Mint looks and feels a lot like Windows. And it has more than enough programs available that it could easily take away MS's status if not for so many machines being pre-installed with Windows. Another computer option, though maybe just for Google fan boys like me, is the ChromeOS. No, it's not the same as more common Operating Systems, but it's pretty good, IMO. You just have to be comfortable with Google knowing *everything* you do when using it. Android has the phone market. That I agree with completely. Apple is holding it's own, but Android has the lion's share of the market. -- Shill #3. Los Angeles Branch. Strategic Writer, Psychotronic World Dominator and FEMA camp counselor. https://c2.staticflickr.com/4/3618/5...202191d3_b.jpg All hail the taco! http://www.taconati.org/ |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
On 12/02/2019 05.29, nospam wrote:
In article , Rene Lamontagne wrote: That brings up a great experience I just had (not). 1. About four days ago I went to a doctors appointment and Clearly printed on 2 large signs "please turn off cellphones when entering this office", Guess what? I counted 5 people texting or talking on their cell phones. 2. From there I had to go to the hospital for some tests, so after those were done I decided to go to their cafeteria and have lunch, as I was sitting there having lunch I see a young lady at the microwave oven banks put there for Staff and visitors to warm up lunches brought from home, She was trying to set up 2 microwave ovens to heat 2 different dishes while at the same time trying to hold and talk on her cellphone with her none existent 3rd hand and ended up spilling one dish as she tried holding the phone between her shoulder and ear. 3. As if that wasn't enough, on the way home I stopped at Safeway to pick up a few grocery's, And going down one Aisle found it rather blocked by 32 ladies standing in the middle with not enough room for me to pass, I said excuse me could I pass through here twice before they moved, they where oblivious of their surroundings, I carried on with my shopping and a couple aisles further another lady walked full tilt into me texting on her phone as I was standing still looking for an item. And you wonder why I don't own or use a cursed cellphone and be lumped in with all these Idiots? just because a few people are oblivious to their surroundings doesn't mean everyone is. There are thousands of people using phones normally, perfectly aware of their surroundings. Obviously, we only notice the exceptions. -- Cheers, Carlos. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
"pjp" wrote
| When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to | eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's certainly their hope. They're not making any secret of it. And now it's in line with a lot of other companies. As long as people accept Adobe's forced rental or go for Office 365, the rollout will continue, because it's more profitable. But it's not only that. These companies know their products are mature. They can't get people to buy updates every year based on a handful of minor featurers they may not need. With rental they can charge for bug fixes and actual features are just "frosting". Why is Adobe making big profits from rental? Because it's the only option and with the buying model people used to upgrade every other version, at most. The rental is usually slightly cheaper (so that they can make a misleading claim without illegally lying) than buying every full version, but of course most people didn't do that. But I think people are misreading the blog, if they've read it at all. https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/micr...odern-desktop/ 1) Microsoft are begging corporate to move to Win10. Many are sticking with Win7. Their frequent use of equating "modern" with Win10 is just one symptom of their shrill desperation. The blog is actually about goodies they're offering for moving to Win10. * They'll take on some tasks of IT depts (their direct customers) by managing software auditing, tracking and compatibility issues that IT would normally handle. * They also claim they'll provide help for any case where older software doesn't work on Win10. * Third, they'll support particular Win10 versions longer. This is not a stick up. It's a cry of desperation masquerading as generosity. They're saying, "Look, IT people, if you'll only sign off on this we can practically guarantee your workload will decrease. That's why cloud is so great. We manage it on our end..... You say you want us to also wax your car once a week?... Let's talk." As for Win7, that only applies to corporate licensing. It's always been that way. MS are still making patches for XP and a corporate licensee can still get them if they're willing to pay through the nose. But MS refuses to let the public get those patches. It's simply spiteful greed. They want to force you to buy new product. "Windows 7 ESUs will be available to all Windows 7 Professional and Windows 7 Enterprise customers in Volume Licensing." In other words, if you're corporate you have an option to pay for updates. With a personal ofr SOHo machine you can't even pay them for the chance to pay them. You can still get at least some XP updates if you add the Registry value that says your machine is a kiosk system. (Like an ATM.) Probably Win7 will be similar. Though I'm not sure any ATMs have updated to Win7. :) The real problem here is that people read and post to nonsense from likes of Man-wai Chang or Good Guy. |
Microsoft 'Confirms' Windows 7 New Monthly Charge
In article , Mayayana
wrote: | When I became a beta tester for 98 I once stated it was MS's intent to | eventually charge for everytime you use their software. That's certainly their hope. They're not making any secret of it. And now it's in line with a lot of other companies. As long as people accept Adobe's forced rental or go for Office 365, adobe isn't forcing anything, nor is anyone else. people are free to choose 'non-rental' options, including from adobe as well as others. the rollout will continue, because it's more profitable. imagine that, companies doing things that are profitable. |
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