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Mr. Man-wai Chang March 22nd 17 03:28 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 

Could I just download and install KB 4015438, skipping 4013429?

Their 64-bit download are of file sizes over 1 GBytes!!!

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Andy March 23rd 17 07:04 AM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most

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Could I just download and install KB 4015438, skipping 4013429?

Their 64-bit download are of file sizes over 1 GBytes!!!

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Jonathan N. Little[_2_] March 23rd 17 02:30 PM

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Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most


And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take
me almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The
majority in my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G(
very pricey METERED connections).

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slate_leeper March 23rd 17 03:13 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:30:28 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most


And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take
me almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The
majority in my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G(
very pricey METERED connections).



Or if you are rural and have to use a satellite link, you can not
download it at all....


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Jonathan N. Little[_2_] March 23rd 17 04:01 PM

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slate_leeper wrote:
Or if you are rural and have to use a satellite link, you can not
download it at all....


Oh, yeah I fell for the HughesNet scam. I even eat the penalty to dump
it when this meager DSL arrived.

Hey TelCOs, where is my Fiber-Information-Superhighway promised in the
90s in exchanged for deregulation? We all know...

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Mr. Man-wai Chang March 23rd 17 04:15 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
On 23/03/2017 2:04 PM, Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most


There are still poor people and backward countries... :)

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Char Jackson March 23rd 17 04:29 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:30:28 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most


And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take
me almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The
majority in my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G(
very pricey METERED connections).


I'm not sure I agree that it's a majority who only have slow DSL or
dial-up available to them. It's probably a majority of the country, but
a majority of the people? That doesn't sound right, BICBW.

Personally, we have 300/50 Mbps service where I live, and Google was
talking about bringing symmetrical 1Gbps service here, which prompted
at&t to start saying they would do the same. I haven't seen any digging
yet, though.


Mr. Man-wai Chang March 23rd 17 04:36 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438 vs 4016635
 
On 22/03/2017 10:28 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Could I just download and install KB 4015438, skipping 4013429?

Their 64-bit download are of file sizes over 1 GBytes!!!


OH well, here comes KB4016635!!!

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Buffalo[_3_] March 23rd 17 04:46 PM

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"Andy" wrote in message
...

With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most


It took me almost an hour to dl the last update and I have a fast
connection, over 200mbs.
Why? Because it wouldn't dl all at once. It would stick at different
percentages for a long time.
Is their a link that you an dl from without using the MS Update site
built-into Win10?

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Mr. Man-wai Chang March 23rd 17 04:49 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
On 23/03/2017 11:46 PM, Buffalo wrote:
Why? Because it wouldn't dl all at once. It would stick at different
percentages for a long time.
Is their a link that you an dl from without using the MS Update site
built-into Win10?


I needed to manually download the XXX.MSU package for my slower PCs.

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Jonathan N. Little[_2_] March 23rd 17 04:59 PM

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Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:30:28 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most


And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take
me almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The
majority in my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G(
very pricey METERED connections).


I'm not sure I agree that it's a majority who only have slow DSL or
dial-up available to them. It's probably a majority of the country, but
a majority of the people? That doesn't sound right, BICBW.


I said *county*. I'm only a little over an hour from Richmond VA and
3Mbps is the *best* I can get. And I am lucky!


Personally, we have 300/50 Mbps service where I live, and Google was
talking about bringing symmetrical 1Gbps service here, which prompted
at&t to start saying they would do the same. I haven't seen any digging
yet, though.


Consider yourself lucky, we have no other option and Verizon is not in a
very accommodating mood.



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Paul[_32_] March 23rd 17 05:09 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438 vs 4016635
 
Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:
On 22/03/2017 10:28 PM, Mr. Man-wai Chang wrote:

Could I just download and install KB 4015438, skipping 4013429?

Their 64-bit download are of file sizes over 1 GBytes!!!


OH well, here comes KB4016635!!!


You should be relying on Windows to do these,
not fooling around with catalog.update.microsoft.com .

Using direct downloads is only to cover failure cases.

The "Delta Updater" is a technology that only downloads
the difference between the existing file set, and the
new file set. The end result should be, the three updates
should not need a total of 3GB of downloads. Maybe
1-1.5GB or so. Use the byte counter in your router
to keep track.

Part of the reason for doing some of this work now,
is so that when the Delta Updater brings in the
Creator OS version, the delta will be smaller, and
the CDN will not be overloaded.

The Delta Update does not appear to be particularly
granular. The chunk size it uses still seems to be
pretty large. But the new scheme was invented to save
bytes on the Microsoft end, at the expense of increasing
the overall time to complete the updates. I could download
an entire DVD-sized OS image, in about half the time to
do a Delta Update. It's slow.

Paul

Paul[_32_] March 23rd 17 05:19 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
Buffalo wrote:
"Andy" wrote in message
...

With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at
most.
for me maybe 5 at most


It took me almost an hour to dl the last update and I have a fast
connection, over 200mbs.
Why? Because it wouldn't dl all at once. It would stick at different
percentages for a long time.
Is their a link that you an dl from without using the MS Update site
built-into Win10?


You can adjust the process priority to break deadlocks,
but I'm not at the point of delivering "recipes" on this.
I'm still trying to figure out why it is broken.

Several Insider editions ago, the Settings control panel
stopped updating. So you'd see "20%" and the thing was
still doing downloads, but the number would not change.
That seems to be fixed now. But some other stuff behaves
in a weird fashion. I tried bumping TiWorker (or equivalent),
I tried changing the priority of the SVCHOST with wuauserv
in it. What I noticed, is the Delta downloader "productivity"
drops with time. Initially, it might be using 40% of a core,
then gradually the CPU load drops to almost nothing.

I don't really think process priority ("Above Normal") is all
that good of an answer. What I was looking for at the time,
was something to "bump" the process and get it going again.

I've had weird behaviors on Windows before, where merely
opening Task Manager dialog on the screen, bumped things
enough to get them running again. But so far, with the
Delta downloader, I haven't figured out why it slows
down (or stalls).

Rebooting when this happens is convenient, but the
Delta Downloader does not "checkpoint" its progress in
Win10. So the percentage done will drop back to 7%. It
seemed to "recompute" the download, and resolve the
downloads using the files it already has. So it won't toss
all the downloads it did away. But it will annoy the hell out
of you with its slow slow behavior (in all cases).

You'd swear Microsoft had investments in power generation
companies, for all the electricity this is wasting. I've
never seen so many CPU cycles just... wasted.

Paul

Char Jackson March 23rd 17 07:49 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 11:59:59 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Char Jackson wrote:
On Thu, 23 Mar 2017 09:30:28 -0400, "Jonathan N. Little"
wrote:

Andy wrote:
With a good modern internet connection that should take a few mins at most.
for me maybe 5 at most

And therein lies the rub. Not everybody as access to a "good modern
internet connection". Here in Third-World-USA that download would take
me almost an hour and I am lucky, I have access to SLOW DSL. The
majority in my county are limited to dial-up or poor 3G or flaky 4G(
very pricey METERED connections).


I'm not sure I agree that it's a majority who only have slow DSL or
dial-up available to them. It's probably a majority of the country, but
a majority of the people? That doesn't sound right, BICBW.


I said *county*. I'm only a little over an hour from Richmond VA and
3Mbps is the *best* I can get. And I am lucky!


Thanks for the correction. I guess I saw what I expected to see,
unfortunately.


Mark Lloyd[_2_] March 23rd 17 10:25 PM

Win 10 giga-update: KB 4013429 vs KB 4015438
 
On 03/23/2017 10:29 AM, Char Jackson wrote:

[snip]

Personally, we have 300/50 Mbps service where I live, and Google was
talking about bringing symmetrical 1Gbps service here, which prompted
at&t to start saying they would do the same. I haven't seen any digging
yet, though.


Currently, the cable here (Suddenlink) has a maximum of 150Mb/7.5Mb
internet. They say they're planning 1Gb service, but it's not here yet
(and it's going to require a new modem).

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