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I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand
everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed |
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On 01/02/2018 1:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed You are definitely on the right track. CPU i7 7700K or thereabouts, Lots of choices. Don't forget a good quality modular power supply around 750 watts and a good CPU cooler. Air is OK, some prefer liquid. Good IPS monitor 24 to 27 inch, I love my 27 inch. I prefer to build mine but some buy ready made, up to you. Keep us informed. Happy new year Rene |
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On 01/02/2018 02:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed And of course the SSD is not a hard drive looking one but one of the newer card type SSDs that plug directly into the mobo. A friend of mine did some research, and I have no idea what he was talking about, but there seems to be different interfaces for these SSDs. Some go through the SATA port and some right onto the mobo. Not sure but like a PCIe card? Again I don't know but it's worth looking into, that or someone else will give you better details. All I remember is he went from slow data rates to super fast rates that exceeded and SSD HD I've seen. Yes, good luck, if money isn't the issue, you should be able to easily do it, it's just finding the right stuff. |
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On 01/02/2018 3:29 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 01/02/2018 02:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed And of course the SSD is not a hard drive looking one but one of the newer card type SSDs that plug directly into the mobo. A friend of mine did some research, and I have no idea what he was talking about, but there seems to be different interfaces for these SSDs.Â* Some go through the SATA port and some right onto the mobo.Â* Not sure but like a PCIe card? Again I don't know but it's worth looking into, that or someone else will give you better details.Â* All I remember is he went from slow data rates to super fast rates that exceeded and SSD HD I've seen. Yes, good luck, if money isn't the issue, you should be able to easily do it, it's just finding the right stuff. Hi AL, I think you mean MVNe -m2 drives, Yes superfast. Rene |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed You can start by looking at benchmarks. Not only is there i7 now, there are a few i9 models. This is a list I made for somebody a few days ago. LGA2066. RAMCH PCIE AVX512 i9-7980XE (24.75M cache, 18 Cores, 36 Threads, 2.60 GHz) $1,979 4 44 i9-7960X (22M cache, 16 Cores, 32 Threads, 2.80 GHz) $1,684 4 44 i9-7940X (19.25M cache, 14 Cores, 28 Threads, 3.10 GHz) $1,387 4 44 i9-7920X (16.5M cache, 12 Cores, 24 Threads, 2.90 GHz) $1,189 4 44 i9-7900X (13.75M cache, 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 3.30 GHz) $ 989 4 44 i7-7820X (11M cache, 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 3.60 GHz) $ 589 4 28 i7-7800X (8.25M cache, 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 3.50 GHz) $ 383 4 28 Yes i7-7740X (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 4.30 GHz) $ 339 2 16 No i5-7640X (6M cache, 4 Cores, 4 Threads, 4.00 GHz) $ 242 2 16 The bottom two processors, seem to be LGA1151 CPUs placed into an LGA2066 package. Weird. (Intel price list follows...) https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/file...Price_List.pdf If you're content with one video card in the box, then the PCI Express lane issue isn't too much of a deal. You can buy the 7820X, which has "enough" cores by any gaming stretch of the imagination, enough lanes to get by with, and is $589. A sample motherboard of no particular pedigree ($263) is here. http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...x299-ud4_e.pdf Page 10 of that manual, shows you what happens to RAM when you run a 7740X and only half the DIMM slots work. Page 11 of that manual, shows which PCI Express slots are disabled when you use a 28 lane CPU. The slot next to the CPU is fully functional. The second slot is functional, but half-wired. The third slot is no-connect when a 28 lane CPU is installed. This makes the 28 lane processor definitely and for sure good enough for a single video card system, even if one or two slots may be disabled by that choice. If you run a more expensive CPU, with all 44 lanes, the clock speed starts to drop, and any game with a "boss thread", the boss thread runs a bit slower. That's why you look at the following two links, to find the best combination of benches. ******* Multi-threaded benchmark. Gives an idea how fast 7ZIP will compress files. https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Single-threaded benchmark. More indicative of "desktop speed feeling". https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html ******* You also have to factor in OS support. Microsoft wants your new purchase to only run Windows 10. Microsoft will disable Windows Update for earlier OSes, if you use Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake and so on. And I don't know if Microsoft includes Skylake-X in the Coffee Lake club, or in the older Skylake club. ******* For an LGA1151 system (still usable for gaming but not over the top like the above stuff), you have things like this. Coffee Lake - needs the newest LGA1151 with 300 series chipset. Won't work in your older LGA1151 motherboard. Dual channel memory, four memory slots. https://ark.intel.com/products/12668...up-to-4_70-GHz The price on these is a little jacked up at the moment in the store. Turbo goes to 4.7GHz on one or two cores perhaps. (There are turbo-tables kicking around with the details.) i7-8700K (12M cache, 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 3.70 GHz) $359 The kicker is, the PCI Express lanes is roughly 16, plus the lanes off the DMI bus and Southbridge. So this is strictly a one-video-card system. The LGA2066 gives a bit more room for a couple cards. But really, the LGA2066 only satisfies every wish when a 44 lane processor is being used, and then you take a hit on clock speed. I would think in practical situations, the 8700K would be a good match for the 7820X. It won't 7ZIP a bunch of files quite as quickly, but it's likely to game OK. It's hard to imagine a game with 12 threads where the additional threads offer that much more speed. Would a game run faster if it could fork 16 threads ? Hmmm. For a high end video card, they only begin to drag a bit, when driving a 4K monitor. If that's your intention, then you'll "need to do a bit more research" :-) As that will really challenge your research skills (to buy something and not have regrets later). I budget around one month of reading assignments, when I haven't done a build in a while, to prepare for stuff like this. Because the Intel marketing weenies are involved, it's easy to get burned. You might not know, but I'm not a big fan of SLI or Crossfire. It might sell a lot of extra video cards. It might make the power company happy, to hit you with a higher bill. It makes the room warm in winter. But only the most outrageous screen needs a box full (44 lane) system to drive it. Competition gamers might use a 1920x1080 144Hz screen for example, with 2ms TN panel. And then the one video card is plenty for the screen dimension at least. Paul |
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On 01/02/2018 04:40 PM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 01/02/2018 3:29 PM, Big Al wrote: On 01/02/2018 02:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed And of course the SSD is not a hard drive looking one but one of the newer card type SSDs that plug directly into the mobo. A friend of mine did some research, and I have no idea what he was talking about, but there seems to be different interfaces for these SSDs.Â* Some go through the SATA port and some right onto the mobo. Not sure but like a PCIe card? Again I don't know but it's worth looking into, that or someone else will give you better details.Â* All I remember is he went from slow data rates to super fast rates that exceeded and SSD HD I've seen. Yes, good luck, if money isn't the issue, you should be able to easily do it, it's just finding the right stuff. Hi AL, I think you mean MVNe -m2 drives, Yes superfast. Rene Yes, from what my buddy said, he read marked improvements. And bought one too. :-) He's now trying to figure out what the heck the usb 3.1 port is good for. Can't find too much hardware that demands it. |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 01/02/2018 3:29 PM, Big Al wrote: On 01/02/2018 02:29 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed And of course the SSD is not a hard drive looking one but one of the newer card type SSDs that plug directly into the mobo. A friend of mine did some research, and I have no idea what he was talking about, but there seems to be different interfaces for these SSDs. Some go through the SATA port and some right onto the mobo. Not sure but like a PCIe card? Again I don't know but it's worth looking into, that or someone else will give you better details. All I remember is he went from slow data rates to super fast rates that exceeded and SSD HD I've seen. Yes, good luck, if money isn't the issue, you should be able to easily do it, it's just finding the right stuff. Hi AL, I think you mean MVNe -m2 drives, Yes superfast. Rene There are SATA III SSDs. They keep making new standards for these, but they don't stick. ******* There are M.2 surface mount SSDs that sit on the motherboard (4GB/sec max). https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820147596 SAMSUNG 960 PRO M.2 512GB NVMe PCI-Express 3.0 x4 Internal $300 Max Sequential Read Up to 3500 MBps Max Sequential Write Up to 2100 MBps 4KB Random Read Up to 330,000 IOPS (4KB, QD32) Up to 14,000 IOPS (4KB, QD1) ******* There is a PCI Express form factor SSD, which probably still has a roughly 4GB/sec max speed. These are NVMe. Some of these cheat, and you find an M.2 card inside sitting on an adapter. https://images.anandtech.com/galleri...3/IMGP3852.jpg There is a Canadian company that makes an adapter card, that holds 4 M.2 at the same time, all running at full rate. So if you want crazy, you can actually have crazy at a reasonable price. You don't have to waste motherboard surface area on planar M.2 mounts. The Intel ones, might have a slower sustained, but better random access at a lower queue depth. This might matter if you were a software developer doing builds every day on your machine, but things like this seem to be overkill to me for regular desktops. Still, people buy the M.2 ones quite regularly now. This doesn't use conventional Flash, but uses 3D X-Point. Intel is trying to find a way to prime the pump, and pay for the factory. https://www.anandtech.com/show/12136...p-480gb-review Paul |
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On 01/02/2018 3:48 PM, Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed You can start by looking at benchmarks. Not only is there i7 now, there are a few i9 models. This is a list I made for somebody a few days ago. LGA2066. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* RAMCH PCIEÂ* AVX512 i9-7980XE (24.75M cache, 18 Cores, 36 Threads, 2.60 GHz) $1,979Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7960X (22M cache, 16 Cores, 32 Threads, 2.80 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â* $1,684Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7940X (19.25M cache, 14 Cores, 28 Threads, 3.10 GHz)Â* $1,387Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7920X (16.5M cache, 12 Cores, 24 Threads, 2.90 GHz)Â*Â* $1,189Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7900X (13.75M cache, 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 3.30 GHz)Â* $ 989Â*Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i7-7820X (11M cache, 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 3.60 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* $ 589Â*Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 28 i7-7800X (8.25M cache, 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 3.50 GHz)Â*Â*Â* $ 383Â*Â* 4 28Â*Â*Â* Yes i7-7740X (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 4.30 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* $ 339Â*Â* 2 16Â*Â*Â* No i5-7640X (6M cache, 4 Cores, 4 Threads, 4.00 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* $ 242Â*Â* 2Â*Â*Â*Â* 16 The bottom two processors, seem to be LGA1151 CPUs placed into an LGA2066 package. Weird. (Intel price list follows...) https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/file...Price_List.pdf If you're content with one video card in the box, then the PCI Express lane issue isn't too much of a deal. You can buy the 7820X, which has "enough" cores by any gaming stretch of the imagination, enough lanes to get by with, and is $589. A sample motherboard of no particular pedigree ($263) is here. http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...x299-ud4_e.pdf Page 10 of that manual, shows you what happens to RAM when you run a 7740X and only half the DIMM slots work. Page 11 of that manual, shows which PCI Express slots are disabled when you use a 28 lane CPU. The slot next to the CPU is fully functional. The second slot is functional, but half-wired. The third slot is no-connect when a 28 lane CPU is installed. This makes the 28 lane processor definitely and for sure good enough for a single video card system, even if one or two slots may be disabled by that choice. If you run a more expensive CPU, with all 44 lanes, the clock speed starts to drop, and any game with a "boss thread", the boss thread runs a bit slower. That's why you look at the following two links, to find the best combination of benches. ******* Multi-threaded benchmark. Gives an idea how fast 7ZIP will compress files. Â*Â* https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Single-threaded benchmark. More indicative of "desktop speed feeling". Â*Â* https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html ******* You also have to factor in OS support. Microsoft wants your new purchase to only run Windows 10. Microsoft will disable Windows Update for earlier OSes, if you use Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake and so on. And I don't know if Microsoft includes Skylake-X in the Coffee Lake club, or in the older Skylake club. ******* For an LGA1151 system (still usable for gaming but not over the top like the above stuff), you have things like this. Coffee Lake - needs the newest LGA1151 with 300 series chipset. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Won't work in your older LGA1151 motherboard. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Dual channel memory, four memory slots. https://ark.intel.com/products/12668...up-to-4_70-GHz The price on these is a little jacked up at the moment in the store. Turbo goes to 4.7GHz on one or two cores perhaps. (There are turbo-tables kicking around with the details.) i7-8700K (12M cache, 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 3.70 GHz)Â*Â* $359 The kicker is, the PCI Express lanes is roughly 16, plus the lanes off the DMI bus and Southbridge. So this is strictly a one-video-card system. The LGA2066 gives a bit more room for a couple cards. But really, the LGA2066 only satisfies every wish when a 44 lane processor is being used, and then you take a hit on clock speed. I would think in practical situations, the 8700K would be a good match for the 7820X. It won't 7ZIP a bunch of files quite as quickly, but it's likely to game OK. It's hard to imagine a game with 12 threads where the additional threads offer that much more speed. Would a game run faster if it could fork 16 threads ? Hmmm. For a high end video card, they only begin to drag a bit, when driving a 4K monitor. If that's your intention, then you'll "need to do a bit more research" :-) As that will really challenge your research skills (to buy something and not have regrets later). I budget around one month of reading assignments, when I haven't done a build in a while, to prepare for stuff like this. Because the Intel marketing weenies are involved, it's easy to get burned. You might not know, but I'm not a big fan of SLI or Crossfire. It might sell a lot of extra video cards. It might make the power company happy, to hit you with a higher bill. It makes the room warm in winter. But only the most outrageous screen needs a box full (44 lane) system to drive it. Competition gamers might use a 1920x1080 144Hz screen for example, with 2ms TN panel. And then the one video card is plenty for the screen dimension at least. Â*Â* Paul Also a lot of good reading at www.pcgamer.com Rene |
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Paul wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed You can start by looking at benchmarks. Not only is there i7 now, there are a few i9 models. This is a list I made for somebody a few days ago. LGA2066. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* RAMCH PCIEÂ* AVX512 i9-7980XE (24.75M cache, 18 Cores, 36 Threads, 2.60 GHz) $1,979Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7960X (22M cache, 16 Cores, 32 Threads, 2.80 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â* $1,684Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7940X (19.25M cache, 14 Cores, 28 Threads, 3.10 GHz)Â* $1,387Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7920X (16.5M cache, 12 Cores, 24 Threads, 2.90 GHz)Â*Â* $1,189Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i9-7900X (13.75M cache, 10 Cores, 20 Threads, 3.30 GHz)Â* $ 989Â*Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 44 i7-7820X (11M cache, 8 Cores, 16 Threads, 3.60 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* $ 589Â*Â* 4Â*Â*Â*Â* 28 i7-7800X (8.25M cache, 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 3.50 GHz)Â*Â*Â* $ 383Â*Â* 4 28Â*Â*Â* Yes i7-7740X (8M cache, 4 Cores, 8 Threads, 4.30 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* $ 339Â*Â* 2 16Â*Â*Â* No i5-7640X (6M cache, 4 Cores, 4 Threads, 4.00 GHz)Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* $ 242Â*Â* 2Â*Â*Â*Â* 16 The bottom two processors, seem to be LGA1151 CPUs placed into an LGA2066 package. Weird. (Intel price list follows...) https://s21.q4cdn.com/600692695/file...Price_List.pdf If you're content with one video card in the box, then the PCI Express lane issue isn't too much of a deal. You can buy the 7820X, which has "enough" cores by any gaming stretch of the imagination, enough lanes to get by with, and is $589. A sample motherboard of no particular pedigree ($263) is here. http://download.gigabyte.us/FileList...x299-ud4_e.pdf Page 10 of that manual, shows you what happens to RAM when you run a 7740X and only half the DIMM slots work. Page 11 of that manual, shows which PCI Express slots are disabled when you use a 28 lane CPU. The slot next to the CPU is fully functional. The second slot is functional, but half-wired. The third slot is no-connect when a 28 lane CPU is installed. This makes the 28 lane processor definitely and for sure good enough for a single video card system, even if one or two slots may be disabled by that choice. If you run a more expensive CPU, with all 44 lanes, the clock speed starts to drop, and any game with a "boss thread", the boss thread runs a bit slower. That's why you look at the following two links, to find the best combination of benches. ******* Multi-threaded benchmark. Gives an idea how fast 7ZIP will compress files. Â*Â* https://www.cpubenchmark.net/high_end_cpus.html Single-threaded benchmark. More indicative of "desktop speed feeling". Â*Â* https://www.cpubenchmark.net/singleThread.html ******* You also have to factor in OS support. Microsoft wants your new purchase to only run Windows 10. Microsoft will disable Windows Update for earlier OSes, if you use Kaby Lake or Coffee Lake and so on. And I don't know if Microsoft includes Skylake-X in the Coffee Lake club, or in the older Skylake club. ******* For an LGA1151 system (still usable for gaming but not over the top like the above stuff), you have things like this. Coffee Lake - needs the newest LGA1151 with 300 series chipset. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Won't work in your older LGA1151 motherboard. Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â*Â* Dual channel memory, four memory slots. https://ark.intel.com/products/12668...up-to-4_70-GHz The price on these is a little jacked up at the moment in the store. Turbo goes to 4.7GHz on one or two cores perhaps. (There are turbo-tables kicking around with the details.) i7-8700K (12M cache, 6 Cores, 12 Threads, 3.70 GHz)Â*Â* $359 The kicker is, the PCI Express lanes is roughly 16, plus the lanes off the DMI bus and Southbridge. So this is strictly a one-video-card system. The LGA2066 gives a bit more room for a couple cards. But really, the LGA2066 only satisfies every wish when a 44 lane processor is being used, and then you take a hit on clock speed. I would think in practical situations, the 8700K would be a good match for the 7820X. It won't 7ZIP a bunch of files quite as quickly, but it's likely to game OK. It's hard to imagine a game with 12 threads where the additional threads offer that much more speed. Would a game run faster if it could fork 16 threads ? Hmmm. For a high end video card, they only begin to drag a bit, when driving a 4K monitor. If that's your intention, then you'll "need to do a bit more research" :-) As that will really challenge your research skills (to buy something and not have regrets later). I budget around one month of reading assignments, when I haven't done a build in a while, to prepare for stuff like this. Because the Intel marketing weenies are involved, it's easy to get burned. You might not know, but I'm not a big fan of SLI or Crossfire. It might sell a lot of extra video cards. It might make the power company happy, to hit you with a higher bill. It makes the room warm in winter. But only the most outrageous screen needs a box full (44 lane) system to drive it. Competition gamers might use a 1920x1080 144Hz screen for example, with 2ms TN panel. And then the one video card is plenty for the screen dimension at least. Â*Â* Paul The concept of two video cards in one box is new to me. How would they operate? Or rather co-operate? I can only think that one card would do the work, and simply use the added RAM on the other card. Ed |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
The concept of two video cards in one box is new to me. How would they operate? Or rather co-operate? I can only think that one card would do the work, and simply use the added RAM on the other card. Ed Each video card keeps a copy of the same textures. They can work on every second scan line, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface And these guys started it as far as I know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo2 Back in those days, your "regular" video card made a VGA signal. And using short passthru cables, you cabled the gamer cards in serially, after the regular video card. The accelerators back then, would "lock" to the VGA video signal, and "overlay" or remove a chunk of pixmap and draw the game image on top of it. Apparently, with two Voodoo cards, one would paint odd lines, the other paint even lines. I own two of some version of those cards, but never got mine to run properly. I only ever ran one card at a time. And there are other interleaving ideas besides doing it at the scan line level. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Alternate_frame_rendering https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/AMD_CrossFireX And that last article may be a bit dated, as there have been attempts to fix micro-stutter. Paul |
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Paul Tue, 02
Jan 2018 23:29:47 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: The concept of two video cards in one box is new to me. How would they operate? Or rather co-operate? I can only think that one card would do the work, and simply use the added RAM on the other card. Ed Each video card keeps a copy of the same textures. They can work on every second scan line, for example. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scalable_Link_Interface And these guys started it as far as I know. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voodoo2 :) I had one of those paired with a diamond viper, back in the day. It made need for speed hot pursuit look frakking sweet! Ran on an AMD k6/2-350. Another possible use for multiple gpu based systems is gpu/cpu based crypto mining. but it's very hardware specific. As in, the mining app has to support the cards you're using, or you can't do gpu mining. -- To prevent yourself from being a victim of cyber stalking, it's highly recommended you visit he https://tekrider.net/pages/david-brooks-stalker.php ================================================== = You can't achieve the impossible unless you attempt the absurd. |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed My old LGA 1366, 970, burned up due to over-clocking and I assembled this one six months ago. The new one barely gets warm. Currently Overclocked to 4.3 mhz. Win 7 Pro. It will do everything that you want. Total cost including monitor about $2,000. MB: GA-Z270-GAMING 7, Socket 1151, 7 internal temp sensors, 2 external temp sensors that I stuck on the HDD,s, 8 fan headers - I am using 7 of them. HDD's: are a pair on WD black 500 GB. A third 500 is for bi-weekly cloning and stays unplugged until needed. Doubt if I will ever need more than 500 GB. The MB has 2 slots for NVMe HDD's but the specs don't look that good vs. cost. Vid: MSI Geforce GTX 1070 w/ 8 GB GDDR 5. ***NOTE: This vid card will do everything you need. The 1080 is slightly better but not required. NO need for 2 vid cards. CPU: i7-6700K, Sky Lake, LGA1151, unlocked, ***NOTE: due to a cabal bewteen Intel and Windows, the new Kaby Lake will NOT support Win 7, so if you want to use Win 7 then the Intel CPU must be Sky Lake. Supposedly there is a hack to get around this but I am not willing to try it. Same for AMD Ryzen - Needs win 10. RAM: Corsair Vengeance LPX, 16 GB, 3600 mhz, has it's own cooling fan. CPU cooler: Cooler Master Masterliquid PRO 120, ***NOTE: Use liquid cooling if you over-clock or seriously game. PS: Seasonic Prime Titanium 80 Plus, 750 w. Monitor: Samsung C24FG70FQN, Curved Screen, 144 hz, Case: I reused my aluminum, 3/4 server size case. |
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Wolf K wrote:
On 2018-01-03 01:57, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed My old LGA 1366, 970, burned up due to over-clocking and I assembled this one six months ago. The new one barely gets warm. Currently Overclocked to 4.3 mhz. Win 7 Pro. It will do everything that you want. Total cost including monitor about $2,000. [snip specs, don't want you to drool on your keyboard] :-) Reminds me of the custom rugs Maxximum PC used to feature. Did you glitz up the box? Oh yes! It has pretty colored lights and stickers all over it. Having the lights blink or pulsate to music was a bit too much though and I turned that function off. :) |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed These products definitely state "who you are" and that "you've arrived". ******* There are slightly more understated designs, like this one with "less of the red lighting". This one has a ThreadRipper, and an awesomely high price when the box has only the "basics" in it! Lord knows what the price would be if it was properly configured. http://www.dell.com/en-ca/shop/cty/p.../daa51r3_f_s2e The top ThreadRipper itself is only $950 USD. https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16819113447 Paul |
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Ed Cryer wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max. Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient. RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. |
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On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Ed |
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On 01/03/2018 4:08 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Ed Your welcome, hope it helped. I am a Half-life, half-life 2 gamer and all its mods. The new games are too fast for me now, Or I'm too slow. :-) Rene |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 01/03/2018 4:08 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Ed Your welcome, hope it helped. I am a Half-life, half-life 2 gamer and all its mods. The new games are too fast for me now, Or I'm too slow. :-) Rene That G6-710 has an Intel processor. Maybe tomorrow the price will have dropped radically. I'll just wait a bit, I think. Ed (:- |
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On 01/03/2018 4:40 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 4:08 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Ed Your welcome, hope it helped. I am a Half-life, half-life 2 gamer and all its mods. The new games are too fast for me now, Or I'm too slow. :-) Rene That G6-710 has an Intel processor. Maybe tomorrow the price will have dropped radically. I'll just wait a bit, I think. EdÂ*Â* (:- Yeah, this whole Intel bug thing is a bit worrisome till we Know whats really going on. Rene |
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On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:08:19 +0000, Ed Cryer
wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Just a quick comment: I agree with most of what Rene says, but I disagree that a 256GB SSD is plenty. I have a 1TB SSD and 410GB of it is used. It's better to have too much than not enough. And whether a 2TB spinner is plenty depends on *you* and how much data you have. Some people have lots of photos, videos, music, etc. If you do, 2TB may be nowhere near enough. You should determine how much disk space you need based on what *you* have, not on what Rene or I have. |
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On 01/03/2018 5:35 PM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:08:19 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Just a quick comment: I agree with most of what Rene says, but I disagree that a 256GB SSD is plenty. I have a 1TB SSD and 410GB of it is used. It's better to have too much than not enough. And whether a 2TB spinner is plenty depends on *you* and how much data you have. Some people have lots of photos, videos, music, etc. If you do, 2TB may be nowhere near enough. You should determine how much disk space you need based on what *you* have, not on what Rene or I have. I guess its what you put on your SSD, I do not allow any software or other stuff to install on mine, C; is only loaded with the OS. I install all programs on another SSD called D:. All Data Photos Etc are kept on the spinner E:. Another external spinner is used for backups and duplicates of important info and kept disconnected until needed. Yes, the spinner size is whatever the OP needs for storage. BTW my Windows 10 on C: is usually running about 32 GB, lean and mean. Rene |
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Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 01/03/2018 5:35 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:08:19 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max. Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient. RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Just a quick comment: I agree with most of what Rene says, but I disagree that a 256GB SSD is plenty. I have a 1TB SSD and 410GB of it is used. It's better to have too much than not enough. And whether a 2TB spinner is plenty depends on *you* and how much data you have. Some people have lots of photos, videos, music, etc. If you do, 2TB may be nowhere near enough. You should determine how much disk space you need based on what *you* have, not on what Rene or I have. I guess its what you put on your SSD, I do not allow any software or other stuff to install on mine, C; is only loaded with the OS. I install all programs on another SSD called D:. All Data Photos Etc are kept on the spinner E:. Another external spinner is used for backups and duplicates of important info and kept disconnected until needed. Yes, the spinner size is whatever the OP needs for storage. BTW my Windows 10 on C: is usually running about 32 GB, lean and mean. Rene I vote for one of these, just for the challenge of getting an OS onto it :-) https://www.newegg.com/Product/Produ...82E16820167440 https://skinflint.co.uk/intel-optane...-a1717910.html Intel Optane 480GB PCI Express Max Sequential Read Up to 2500 MBps Max Sequential Write Up to 2000 MBps Power Consumption (Idle) 5W Power Consumption (Active) 14W TBW: 8760 TB === Samsung 960 Pro is 400 TBW Warranty: five years 960 Pro M.2 for comparison. https://www.samsung.com/us/computing...b-mz-v6p512bw/ When you go with a bigger drive, it takes longer to back up :-) I have two sizes of SSD, and that's what I notice about the larger one. There's such a thing as "too much of a good thing". You don't want to waste the SSD on a lot of "data at rest". That's what the spindle is for. ******* "Instant death" used to be a thing with hard drives. Later on, "Instant Death" on HDD was associated with particular data structures under HDD firmware control. If it was going to happen, it wasn't usually a "zero-warning" hardware issue. But there were still drives dying because of stupid firmware bugs (one would kill the drive after about 30 days). Modern hard drives seem to be better that way. You might start to sense a performance slowdown, and generally you have plenty of time to get the data off. It's not like the bad old days with the Maxtor 40GB drives. SSDs on the other hand, still suffer from "Instant Death". One day you'll go to turn it on and... nothing. And that's why, until you have a lot of service experience with them, it's better to increase the frequency of backups. Just in case. USB sticks aren't exactly analogous. But I didn't have any USB stick failures here, until I started buying 32GB TLC sticks. Now I have two dead ones disassembled and sitting on my desk. I got a year out of each one. The smaller sticks, at least one of them is extremely slow, "but it ain't dead yet". The OCZ Rally 8GB has a lot of writes on it and still performs like a champ. Even if it isn't as fast as a stick you bought at Walmart last night. Paul |
Gaming Computer
Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 01/03/2018 5:35 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:08:19 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Just a quick comment: I agree with most of what Rene says, but I disagree that a 256GB SSD is plenty. I have a 1TB SSD and 410GB of it is used. It's better to have too much than not enough. And whether a 2TB spinner is plenty depends on *you* and how much data you have. Some people have lots of photos, videos, music, etc. If you do, 2TB may be nowhere near enough. You should determine how much disk space you need based on what *you* have, not on what Rene or I have. I guess its what you put on your SSD, I do not allow any software or other stuff to install on mine, C; is only loaded with the OS. I install all programs on another SSD called D:. All Data Photos Etc are kept on the spinner E:. Another external spinner is used for backups and duplicates of important info and kept disconnected until needed. Yes, the spinner size is whatever the OP needs for storage. BTW my Windows 10 on C: is usually running about 32 GB, lean and mean. Rene I have a 500GB SSD on my Win7 box, C; only about one third used. And it holds system, all programs, much personal data. Oh, and I run Samsung's Rapid Mode which uses some RAM as a cache. Ed |
Gaming Computer
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 18:16:51 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote: On 01/03/2018 5:35 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:08:19 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Just a quick comment: I agree with most of what Rene says, but I disagree that a 256GB SSD is plenty. I have a 1TB SSD and 410GB of it is used. It's better to have too much than not enough. And whether a 2TB spinner is plenty depends on *you* and how much data you have. Some people have lots of photos, videos, music, etc. If you do, 2TB may be nowhere near enough. You should determine how much disk space you need based on what *you* have, not on what Rene or I have. I guess its what you put on your SSD, I do not allow any software or other stuff to install on mine, C; is only loaded with the OS. I install all programs on another SSD called D:. Why do you have two SSDs rather than one larger one, which would be less expensive? As far as I'm concerned, there's no advantage to doing that. |
Gaming Computer
On 01/04/2018 10:02 AM, Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 18:16:51 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 5:35 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:08:19 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Just a quick comment: I agree with most of what Rene says, but I disagree that a 256GB SSD is plenty. I have a 1TB SSD and 410GB of it is used. It's better to have too much than not enough. And whether a 2TB spinner is plenty depends on *you* and how much data you have. Some people have lots of photos, videos, music, etc. If you do, 2TB may be nowhere near enough. You should determine how much disk space you need based on what *you* have, not on what Rene or I have. I guess its what you put on your SSD, I do not allow any software or other stuff to install on mine, C; is only loaded with the OS. I install all programs on another SSD called D:. Why do you have two SSDs rather than one larger one, which would be less expensive? As far as I'm concerned, there's no advantage to doing that. I bought one originally and added another one latter and another one For Linux, They where very expensive when I bought my first one. If I had to do it now, Yes I would buy one large one. The one advantage I find is the quick backup of the smaller one. Rene |
Gaming Computer
On Thu, 4 Jan 2018 10:15:02 -0600, Rene Lamontagne
wrote: On 01/04/2018 10:02 AM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 18:16:51 -0600, Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 5:35 PM, Ken Blake wrote: On Wed, 3 Jan 2018 22:08:19 +0000, Ed Cryer wrote: Rene Lamontagne wrote: On 01/03/2018 1:30 PM, Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I want a box that can handle all the latest games; the ones that demand everything of the best. I've been looking around now for a few weeks, but the market is so confusing. Money is not much of an object; well, let's say 5k GBP max. Should I get one purpose-built? Or a new year bargain? My gut feeling says 16GB RAM (DDR7); 500GB SSD with 2TB spinner; good video card; i7 quad-core CPU. Who knows better? Ed This MSI Aegis Ti3 caught my eye; https://goo.gl/DT5ASp But then I found this; cheaper, but good enough, and with customer reviews; https://goo.gl/swDdrJ Ed My opinion: (no humor intended) Both computers will be good for 3-5 years of gaming before new game requirements exceed the power of these machines. If you are a serious competition gamer (ie: brain and body response time of a teenager, goes to gaming meets and competitions, connects directly to competition LAN's) and need the last little bit of speed and power, then get the dual 1080 one. Minuses: in my opinion the single 850 watt power supply will not be enough for a 1080 SLI running at max.Â* Replace it with at least a 1000 watt PS. Electric cost ~£5/day. The RAM is way too slow for this machine. Replace with at least 3600 mhz if the MB supports it. If you are a casual gamer then the single 1070 one will suffice. The 730 watt PS is sufficient.Â* RAM could be faster though. You can easily replace the single vid card in 3 years with a better one for only a few hundred £ as opposed to replacing the twin 1080's for a thousand £+. My choice would be the predator G6-710. 1: Huge price savings 2: Same i7 7700K cpu 3: Same amount of memory 3: 256 GB ssd is plenty, I run Win 10 on 128GB with lots left over, 2TB spinner is plenty 4: 2 Video cards are not required, mostly overkill 5: nicer looking I would be extremely happy with that one. Rene Thanks for that, Rene. I think I'll place an order. Just a quick comment: I agree with most of what Rene says, but I disagree that a 256GB SSD is plenty. I have a 1TB SSD and 410GB of it is used. It's better to have too much than not enough. And whether a 2TB spinner is plenty depends on *you* and how much data you have. Some people have lots of photos, videos, music, etc. If you do, 2TB may be nowhere near enough. You should determine how much disk space you need based on what *you* have, not on what Rene or I have. I guess its what you put on your SSD, I do not allow any software or other stuff to install on mine, C; is only loaded with the OS. I install all programs on another SSD called D:. Why do you have two SSDs rather than one larger one, which would be less expensive? As far as I'm concerned, there's no advantage to doing that. I bought one originally and added another one latter and another one For Linux, They where very expensive when I bought my first one. If I had to do it now, Yes I would buy one large one. The one advantage I find is the quick backup of the smaller one. OK, understood. |
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