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How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
I just installed Windows 10 1803.
I like Cortana for finding things on my computer. But I never want Cortana to run a Bing web search. I don't want to use Cortana for finding things on the net. For that, I can use my own browser set to my choice of search engine. How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net? At the same time keeping Cortana's searches on my computer? |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
Arlen Holder wrote:
I just installed Windows 10 1803. I like Cortana for finding things on my computer. But I never want Cortana to run a Bing web search. I don't want to use Cortana for finding things on the net. For that, I can use my own browser set to my choice of search engine. How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net? At the same time keeping Cortana's searches on my computer? If you use TCPView, you'll find connections to raw IP addresses (the OS didn't get those by using DNS lookup, the IP numbers were recorded in the OS). Doing a reverse translation on one of those, by using a DNS lookup web site, you'll notice the node name on the Internet is "Vortex", which is the Microsoft information collection server. You may deny Bing access to the search string, but Vortex is going to be receiving all sorts of text strings you've been typing. Think of it, as you've patching two holes in a bucket with twenty holes in it, and are congratulating yourself on the great quantity of water you're saving :-/ There are eighteen more holes to go. Everything you type into Cortana, no matter where it's destined, is going to get logged and transmitted to MSFT. Disconnecting the network cable... assures a great deal of privacy. It's the one toggle switch that really works on Windows 10. Microsoft has rigged the HOSTS file. You cannot stop Vortex, because no DNS translation is required to get there. And even if they did use a symbolic address that needed translation, Microsoft has also hard wired the HOSTS so that certain microsoft.com domain addresses cannot be blocked (you enter the values in HOSTS file and they will be ignored). They've put holes in your bucket, everywhere you turn. Good luck in your mission to deny Microsoft their information stream. Paul |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 14:43:05 -0400, Wolf K wrote:
Use your browser and choice of search engine to find "disconnect cortana from bing." I had already done that and it didn't work. Look here. https://www.askvg.com/tip-disable-co...in-windows-10/ Notice it says to # Click on the Cortana Box in the task bar & hit the geared settings icon # Then set the following options to OFF Cortana can give you suggestions, ideas, reminders, alerts and more Search online and include web results Here are the two-dozen Cortana options settings pages: Cortana Settings Cortana Talk to Cortana 1 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard01.jpg Permissions & History 2 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard02.jpg Permissions & History Manage the information Cortana can access 5 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard05.jpg Notifications 3 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard03.jpg More details 4 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard04.jpg More details Windows Privacy Options General 6 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard06.jpg More details Windows Privacy Options Location 7 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard07.jpg Camera 8 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard08.jpg Microphone 9 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard09.jpg Notifications 10 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard10.jpg Speech, inking and typing 11 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard11.jpg Account info 12 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard12.jpg Contacts 13 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard13.jpg Calendar 14 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard14.jpg Call history 15 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard15.jpg Email 16 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard16.jpg Tasks 16a http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard16a.jpg Messaging 17 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard17.jpg Radios 18 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard18.jpg Other devices 19 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard19.jpg Feedback & diagnostics 20 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard20.jpg Background apps 21 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard21.jpg App diagnostics 22 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard22.jpg Automatic file downloads 23 http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_clipboard23.jpg Did I miss the setting to turn off Bing? If so, where exactly is that setting located? |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:51:08 -0400, Paul wrote:
Arlen Holder wrote: I just installed Windows 10 1803. I like Cortana for finding things on my computer. But I never want Cortana to run a Bing web search. I don't want to use Cortana for finding things on the net. For that, I can use my own browser set to my choice of search engine. How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net? At the same time keeping Cortana's searches on my computer? If you use TCPView, you'll find connections to raw IP addresses (the OS didn't get those by using DNS lookup, the IP numbers were recorded in the OS). Doing a reverse translation on one of those, by using a DNS lookup web site, you'll notice the node name on the Internet is "Vortex", which is the Microsoft information collection server. You may deny Bing access to the search string, but Vortex is going to be receiving all sorts of text strings you've been typing. Think of it, as you've patching two holes in a bucket with twenty holes in it, and are congratulating yourself on the great quantity of water you're saving :-/ There are eighteen more holes to go. Everything you type into Cortana, no matter where it's destined, is going to get logged and transmitted to MSFT. Disconnecting the network cable... assures a great deal of privacy. It's the one toggle switch that really works on Windows 10. Microsoft has rigged the HOSTS file. You cannot stop Vortex, because no DNS translation is required to get there. And even if they did use a symbolic address that needed translation, Microsoft has also hard wired the HOSTS so that certain microsoft.com domain addresses cannot be blocked (you enter the values in HOSTS file and they will be ignored). They've put holes in your bucket, everywhere you turn. Good luck in your mission to deny Microsoft their information stream. An easy way to stop that traffic, or any traffic that you don't want, is to use an external (to that PC) firewall or proxy. For a free firewall, I like pfSense. For a proxy, I'd just use a virtual edition of the enterprise gear that I work with every day, but most people won't have access to that or know how to use it. The firewall approach always works, though. At least as long as it's not on the system you're trying to protect. |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
Char Jackson wrote:
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:51:08 -0400, Paul wrote: Arlen Holder wrote: I just installed Windows 10 1803. I like Cortana for finding things on my computer. But I never want Cortana to run a Bing web search. I don't want to use Cortana for finding things on the net. For that, I can use my own browser set to my choice of search engine. How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net? At the same time keeping Cortana's searches on my computer? If you use TCPView, you'll find connections to raw IP addresses (the OS didn't get those by using DNS lookup, the IP numbers were recorded in the OS). Doing a reverse translation on one of those, by using a DNS lookup web site, you'll notice the node name on the Internet is "Vortex", which is the Microsoft information collection server. You may deny Bing access to the search string, but Vortex is going to be receiving all sorts of text strings you've been typing. Think of it, as you've patching two holes in a bucket with twenty holes in it, and are congratulating yourself on the great quantity of water you're saving :-/ There are eighteen more holes to go. Everything you type into Cortana, no matter where it's destined, is going to get logged and transmitted to MSFT. Disconnecting the network cable... assures a great deal of privacy. It's the one toggle switch that really works on Windows 10. Microsoft has rigged the HOSTS file. You cannot stop Vortex, because no DNS translation is required to get there. And even if they did use a symbolic address that needed translation, Microsoft has also hard wired the HOSTS so that certain microsoft.com domain addresses cannot be blocked (you enter the values in HOSTS file and they will be ignored). They've put holes in your bucket, everywhere you turn. Good luck in your mission to deny Microsoft their information stream. An easy way to stop that traffic, or any traffic that you don't want, is to use an external (to that PC) firewall or proxy. For a free firewall, I like pfSense. For a proxy, I'd just use a virtual edition of the enterprise gear that I work with every day, but most people won't have access to that or know how to use it. The firewall approach always works, though. At least as long as it's not on the system you're trying to protect. We don't know where the bottom of the bottomless well is. They could use malware techniques like algorithmically generated IP addresses, and you'd have a hard time blocking all of that. We don't really know what their "Plan C" is. Paul |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On 2018-06-02, Arlen Holder wrote:
I just installed Windows 10 1803. I like Cortana for finding things on my computer. But I never want Cortana to run a Bing web search. On every Windows 10 system I touch, I install Spybot Anti-Beacon and disable Cortana's web search with that. Then instead of full-blown Cortana you get a local search. (There are more complete Windows 10 privacy utilities but I've found Spybot works OK for turning off the most obnoxious stuff without causing problems.) I also install Classic Shell (classicshell.net) since I really don't like the new start menu, but that's obviously a matter of personal preference. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 03:35:04 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote:
On every Windows 10 system I touch, I install Spybot Anti-Beacon and disable Cortana's web search with that. Then instead of full-blown Cortana you get a local search. Thank you for suggesting that interesting alternative solution to turning off the Bing search of Cortana. Spybot Anti-Beacon seems to be located here. https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ "Simply clicking "Immunize" on the main screen of Anti-Beacon will immediately disable any known tracking features included by Microsoft in the operating system." Supported OS: Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10. When you install, it has checked [x] Refresh immunization after each system restart When you launch Spybot Anti-Beacon, it defaults to 3 of 61 anti-telemetry protections for [x] Telemetry Hosts [x] Telemetry Group Policy [x] Consumer Experience Improvement Program Group Policy [x] Consumer Experience Improvement Program Scheduled Tasks [x] Application Impact Telemetry Group Policy [x] Steps Recorder Group Policy [x] Wifi Sense Hotspot Sharing Group Policy [x] Apps use advertising ID [x] P2P Windows Updates outside local network [x] Sensors [x] Handwriting Data Sharing When you hit the "immunize" button, all of those (all 61) are enabled. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_spybot.jpg And then there were optional settings: [ ] Web Search Group Policy [ ] Cortana Gropu Policy [ ] OneDrive Service [ ] OneDrivce Group Policy [ ] Remote Registry Service [ ] Bing IPs [ ] Telemetry Hosts (extensive list) [ ] Office 15 (2013) Telemetry Group Policy [ ] Office 15 (2013) Telemetry Scheduled Tasks [ ] Office 16 (2016) Telemetry Group Policy [ ] Office 16 (2016) Telemetry Scheduled Tasks I set them all (even the optional stuff), but, when I typed something nonsensical into the Cortana search box, that search *still* brought up Bing on Windows 1709 (16299.248). I realize Wolf K is the only one here who knows the answer to everything, but for the rest of you, since Wolf K is suspiciously silent when the answer isn't "google"... Any idea why Spybot Anti-Beacon didn't work as expected on Win10 1709? |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 21:51:47 -0400, Paul wrote:
We don't know where the bottom of the bottomless well is. It seems that Microsoft keeps breaking everything that was working (one more reason not to update except on your own schedule). For example, this article explains how to turn it off: http://techdows.com/2016/08/complete...ry-update.html Which ways to run gpedit.msc and navigate to Computer Configuration Administrative Tools Windows Components Search On the right, double click on Allow Cortana and set it to "Disabled". That all sounds well and good, but on my 1709 Windows 10 Pro, that option doesn't even exist but something similar does: Computer Configuration Administrative Templates Windows Components Search On the right, double click on Allow Cortana and set it to "Disabled". This still didn't disable Cortana to bring up Bing. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?i...nadisabled.jpg Maybe I did something wrong? |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
Arlen Holder wrote:
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 03:35:04 -0000 (UTC), Roger Blake wrote: On every Windows 10 system I touch, I install Spybot Anti-Beacon and disable Cortana's web search with that. Then instead of full-blown Cortana you get a local search. Thank you for suggesting that interesting alternative solution to turning off the Bing search of Cortana. Spybot Anti-Beacon seems to be located here. https://www.safer-networking.org/spybot-anti-beacon/ "Simply clicking "Immunize" on the main screen of Anti-Beacon will immediately disable any known tracking features included by Microsoft in the operating system." Supported OS: Windows 7, Windows 8, Windows 8.1, Windows 10. When you install, it has checked [x] Refresh immunization after each system restart When you launch Spybot Anti-Beacon, it defaults to 3 of 61 anti-telemetry protections for [x] Telemetry Hosts [x] Telemetry Group Policy [x] Consumer Experience Improvement Program Group Policy [x] Consumer Experience Improvement Program Scheduled Tasks [x] Application Impact Telemetry Group Policy [x] Steps Recorder Group Policy [x] Wifi Sense Hotspot Sharing Group Policy [x] Apps use advertising ID [x] P2P Windows Updates outside local network [x] Sensors [x] Handwriting Data Sharing When you hit the "immunize" button, all of those (all 61) are enabled. http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=17_spybot.jpg And then there were optional settings: [ ] Web Search Group Policy [ ] Cortana Gropu Policy [ ] OneDrive Service [ ] OneDrivce Group Policy [ ] Remote Registry Service [ ] Bing IPs [ ] Telemetry Hosts (extensive list) [ ] Office 15 (2013) Telemetry Group Policy [ ] Office 15 (2013) Telemetry Scheduled Tasks [ ] Office 16 (2016) Telemetry Group Policy [ ] Office 16 (2016) Telemetry Scheduled Tasks I set them all (even the optional stuff), but, when I typed something nonsensical into the Cortana search box, that search *still* brought up Bing on Windows 1709 (16299.248). I realize Wolf K is the only one here who knows the answer to everything, but for the rest of you, since Wolf K is suspiciously silent when the answer isn't "google"... Any idea why Spybot Anti-Beacon didn't work as expected on Win10 1709? What hope do you think they have, against a determined adversary ? Microsoft is a determined adversary, with the resources to counter anything they throw at Windows. https://forums.spybot.info/showthrea...dows-10/page28 I get the impression, that the staff don't want to waste too much time answering questions on a freebie. I think they are likely reviewing the posts with diagnostic info presented ("stuff that isn't working"), but they aren't making the thread exactly interactive. You can't tell if anyone is really reading this stuff. But they do seem to release new versions occasionally, which implies they're still interested. Microsoft could also be "data mining" social media, including USENET. So if you "discovered a way to block X", keep it to yourself until you can hand it off to someone who can apply the info. I'm not convinced that the Feedback Hub is the only source of feedback Microsoft is using for Windows 10 work. This is one of the reasons MDL went "half-dark". (Some of the postings at MDL can only be read by members. That doesn't prevent someone from getting an account, but it prevents casual data mining.) Paul |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On Sat, 2 Jun 2018 18:31:53 -0000 (UTC), Arlen Holder wrote:
I just installed Windows 10 1803. I like Cortana for finding things on my computer. But I never want Cortana to run a Bing web search. I don't want to use Cortana for finding things on the net. For that, I can use my own browser set to my choice of search engine. How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net? At the same time keeping Cortana's searches on my computer? Perhaps this helps: https://www.windowscentral.com/how-d...-10-start-menu It's certainly possible to limit the Cortana search to local files, that's what happens here on my machine - no Bing web search results to be seen on the search results from the Start menu. No fiddling with TCP/IP settings, host files or proxies either. I can't provide simple step by step instructions, no idea what are the critical settings to enable this. Win10 ver 1803 and using Start10 on this machine. |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On 2018-06-03, Arlen Holder wrote:
Any idea why Spybot Anti-Beacon didn't work as expected on Win10 1709? I haven't seen that problem yet but I don't work with Windows 10 on a daily basis. Microsoft is determined to keep their invasive "features" working so this may be the result of an update. (Spybot Anti-Beacon has not been updated in some time now.) Another similar progam you can try is O&O "Shutup 10": https://www.oo-software.com/en/shutup10 It has more options than Spybot and has been updated more frequently. (Most recent version was released about a month ago.) If you really want to get into it, there is Blackbird: https://www.getblackbird.net/ Lots of options to play with but some may cause problems. -- ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- Roger Blake (Posts from Google Groups killfiled due to excess spam.) NSA sedition and treason -- http://www.DeathToNSAthugs.com Don't talk to cops! -- http://www.DontTalkToCops.com Badges don't grant extra rights -- http://www.CopBlock.org ----------------------------------------------------------------------------- |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 21:51:47 -0400, Paul wrote:
Char Jackson wrote: On Sat, 02 Jun 2018 15:51:08 -0400, Paul wrote: Microsoft has rigged the HOSTS file. You cannot stop Vortex, because no DNS translation is required to get there. And even if they did use a symbolic address that needed translation, Microsoft has also hard wired the HOSTS so that certain microsoft.com domain addresses cannot be blocked (you enter the values in HOSTS file and they will be ignored). They've put holes in your bucket, everywhere you turn. Good luck in your mission to deny Microsoft their information stream. An easy way to stop that traffic, or any traffic that you don't want, is to use an external (to that PC) firewall or proxy. For a free firewall, I like pfSense. For a proxy, I'd just use a virtual edition of the enterprise gear that I work with every day, but most people won't have access to that or know how to use it. The firewall approach always works, though. At least as long as it's not on the system you're trying to protect. We don't know where the bottom of the bottomless well is. They could use malware techniques like algorithmically generated IP addresses, and you'd have a hard time blocking all of that. You could start from a position of blocking everything, then allowing your trusted applications one by one. Annoying, but more secure than allowing everything and trying to block the bad stuff. The important point is to do the blocking on a separate device, preferably not a Microsoft device. That's why I mentioned pfSense as an example. We don't really know what their "Plan C" is. It's apparently a high stakes game, on that we agree. |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
I shut up Win 10 by turning off the laptop and placing in a dark corner
of my walk-in closet where I will never be able to find it ! Good night M$ and sweet dreams until the battery dies. What a waste of my money ! My four Win XP Pro laptops are humming along just fine. |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On Sun, 3 Jun 2018 07:50:46 -0700, freeof10 "freeof10
wrote: I shut up Win 10 by turning off the laptop and placing in a dark corner of my walk-in closet where I will never be able to find it ! Good night M$ and sweet dreams until the battery dies. What a waste of my money ! If drivers are available, maybe you can upgrade to a previous Windows version. My four Win XP Pro laptops are humming along just fine. I have XP and 98SE in VMs, just for the fun of it. I use XP to play a 16-bit Checkers game from PC Magazine in 1996. |
How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net?
On 02/06/2018 7.31 pm, Arlen Holder wrote:
I just installed Windows 10 1803. I like Cortana for finding things on my computer. But I never want Cortana to run a Bing web search. I don't want to use Cortana for finding things on the net. For that, I can use my own browser set to my choice of search engine. How do I turn off Cortana's connection to Bing on the net? At the same time keeping Cortana's searches on my computer? If you use Chrome browser, you can use Edgedeflector to force Cortana to use chrome and then the Chrometana extension to force it to use your default search engine. Then you don't need to disable Cortana completely and should be able to use it locally. They're free progams. -- Tetbury, Gloucestershire, England He is not drunk who, from the floor, Can raise his glass and ask for more. |
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