Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program
that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003. Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference. On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop. (I bought 8.0 on day one). I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10. I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad. Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable. I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. -- 2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. **The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop.* (I bought 8.0 on day one).*** I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.** I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad.* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable.** I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of the past and embrace the future. |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of the past and embrace the future. I think the process of change is the issue. People in general, even me, don't like change. I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release. Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels. I told every one of my friends that they and I should never use it. Now I'm quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease. Of course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month." |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 BreaksClassic Shell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:27:21 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of the past and embrace the future. I'm not using windows 10. Occasionally I am asked to help a windows 10 user. I've had instances when a simple reboot would take forever to shutdown while the system collected updates. Then to add insult to injury, there can be another lengthy wait while updates are being installed, so yes, use windows 10 and you will embrace the future quite literally. Personally, I much prefer Linux Mint and use a virtual machine for a couple of windows only apps. I realize some people are stuck with windows due to their work situation and the vast majority of folks are stuck with windows because it came pre-loaded on their system. |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:45:17 -0000 (UTC), Dave wrote:
I realize some people are stuck with windows due to their work situation and the vast majority of folks are stuck with windows because it came pre-loaded on their system. Just as well it's a great operating system then. |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
On 6/21/2018 9:32 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system.Â* That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft.Â* For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of the past and embrace the future. I think the process of change is the issue.Â* People in general, even me, don't like change.Â*Â* I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release. Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels.Â* I told every one of my friends that they and I should never use it.Â*Â* Now I'm quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease.Â* Of course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month." Addendum to my previous post: My observations on the usability of the new Windows 10 start menu have been made from several years of 6 to 8 hours per day use of Windows 10. Prior to the release of Window 10 I was putting the same amount of time on the prior version. I would not consider returning to the previous version of the Start menu. -- 2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 17:09:08 +0100, mechanic
wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:45:17 -0000 (UTC), Dave wrote: I realize some people are stuck with windows due to their work situation and the vast majority of folks are stuck with windows because it came pre-loaded on their system. Just as well it's a great operating system then. I think he was talking about Windows 10. If there's something great about Windows 10, I haven't seen it. Many things are the same as in previous Windows versions, so those things can't be any more great than they were before. Of the things that are different, I can only think of examples that are less great than before. Windows still has the potential to be great, but in their rush to get to this new business model, MS have clearly taken some giant leaps backwards. They could still turn things around, of course, but not if those backward steps were somehow deliberate. |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 13:28:07 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote: On 6/21/2018 9:32 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. **The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop.* (I bought 8.0 on day one).*** I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.** I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad.* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable.** I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system.* That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft.* For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of the past and embrace the future. I think the process of change is the issue.* People in general, even me, don't like change.** I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release. Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels.* I told every one of my friends that they and I should never use it.** Now I'm quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease.* Of course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month." Addendum to my previous post: My observations on the usability of the new Windows 10 start menu have been made from several years of 6 to 8 hours per day use of Windows 10. Prior to the release of Window 10 I was putting the same amount of time on the prior version. I would not consider returning to the previous version of the Start menu. Based on your feedback, it's possible that MS knows exactly what they're doing with regards to a Start menu. Personally, however, after having used every version of Windows, including Windows 10, I would not willingly return to the Windows 10 interface. To me, it's worse than 8.x, which itself was worse than 7, but we all have our own opinions and perspectives. |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
On 6/21/2018 8:45 AM, Dave wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:27:21 -0400, SilverSlimer wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003. Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference. On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop. (I bought 8.0 on day one). I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10. I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad. Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable. I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of the past and embrace the future. I'm not using windows 10. Occasionally I am asked to help a windows 10 user. I've had instances when a simple reboot would take forever to shutdown while the system collected updates. Then to add insult to injury, there can be another lengthy wait while updates are being installed, so yes, use windows 10 and you will embrace the future quite literally. Personally, I much prefer Linux Mint and use a virtual machine for a couple of windows only apps. I realize some people are stuck with windows due to their work situation and the vast majority of folks are stuck with windows because it came pre-loaded on their system. I don't understand why people get their panties in a twist over the start menu. Delete everything on it and drag program launcher links to it. I take it a step further and create a separate page that loads at boot and has all my program launchers on it. I use MS software only when freeware doesn't exist...and that's rarely. I almost never use the start menu. The separate page also insulates you from the incessant additions that MS makes to their start page. Just ignore 'em, maybe delete ones that show up to consume resources. Forced updates are the real deal breaker. Having to wait an indeterminate amount of time when you simply want a reboot is unconscionable. Having your system out of commission because an unwanted update trashed something can really ruin your day if you're in a hurry. Could really be a problem if you need to put your laptop in its bag and get to your next meeting. Of course, your most recent backup is likely missing important recent stuff. Windows update minitool has solved most of that problem. But there's a bug. If you wait too long to do updates, WUMT can error out if you have too little "free space"...whatever that is. I've got more free partition space than the sum of the sizes of the updates, so I have no idea why increasing the partition size fixes it. It errors out before it actually downloads anything, so it won't let you update a few at a time. I like to keep my C: small, but had to waste about 50GB of disk space just to keep WUMT from failing with infrequent updates. Current strategy is to let WUMT search for updates monthly, but hide them. That seems to be working... |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 15:14:25 -0500, Char Jackson
wrote: Based on your feedback, it's possible that MS knows exactly what they're doing with regards to a Start menu. Personally, however, after having used every version of Windows, including Windows 10, I would not willingly return to the Windows 10 interface. To me, it's worse than 8.x, which itself was worse than 7, but we all have our own opinions and perspectives. As far as I'm concerned, 8.x was the worst. 10 is not great either, but it's at least a little better than 8.x. But I use 10 with Start10 installed, and that makes the interface fine. Most people here prefer Classic Shell to Start10, probably because Classic Shell is free and Start10 costs $4.95. $4.95 is next to nothing to me, and even though I agree that Classic Shell is a good choice, I think Start10 is even better. Why did Microsoft go from the Windows 7 interface to the 8.x/10 interface? I think because so many people use iPads, iPhones, Android Phones and Tablets, Microsoft saw that as the futures, and they wanted to be much closer to those. And also because a lot of people were moving from desktops to laptops and tablets with touch screens, and they felt the new interface was better with those. I don't think they were entirely wrong in what they did, but they made a giant mistake in not providing both interfaces with a clear choice between them. Some people (especially younger people who are new to computers) do prefer the new interface, but some of us older folks who still use desktops hate it. |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
On 6/21/2018 4:30 PM, mike wrote:
Delete everything on it and drag program launcher links to it. I take it a step further and create a separate page that loads at boot and has all my program launchers on it.Â* I use MS software only when freeware doesn't exist...and that's rarely. This is the native Windows 10 Start page. You can add or subtract the program icons on the Start page so the Start page shows only the things you want. You don't have to drag them. Go to the program either the list that is part of the start menu, OR to the actual file itself, right click and select pin to start. Doing the same thing you can pin them to the task manager. I have about 30 of my most frequently used programs on the start menu, and 10 of my main programs on the task bar. -- 2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:32:46 -0400, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote: On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle wrote: On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote: On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote: Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines. The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider version 17686.1003.* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to 17692.1000. **The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two different AMD based computers with it making no difference.* On both W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no longer functions until you reboot the machine. Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working with the Classic Start menu program. If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may be able to take over the lead replacement start program. Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for Classic Shell. https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/ Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally be able to stop people from using it. Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they actually release the next version or two to the public masses. In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed you to boot to the desktop.* (I bought 8.0 on day one).*** I found start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.** I would vote for that. But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that bad.* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get more icons, it's not bad, even usable.** I mean how many programs does the average non-power user use? I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus. One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more tries to get where I wanted to go. I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10 than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need to let go of the past and embrace the future. I think the process of change is the issue. People in general, even me, don't like change. I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release. Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels. I told every one of my friends that they and I should never use it. Now I'm quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease. Of course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month." What do you need Windows for, exactly? |
Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell
Ken Blake wrote:
Why did Microsoft go from the Windows 7 interface to the 8.x/10 interface? I think because so many people use iPads, iPhones, Android Phones and Tablets, Microsoft saw that as the futures, and they wanted to be much closer to those. MSFT has been thinking about tiles in the UI for two decades. Just one example[1] - http://tinypic.com/r/28817x5/9 Other things to consider - Integration across the o/s, contacts, calendar, cloud and applications started well before the 'smart' device became available and popular. One of, if not the first, cross-company platform integration was Outlook contacts and calendar on an iPod. Also look no further back than a decade ago with Windows Live Essentials 2008(Nov. 2007) - Those Essential applications(PhotoGallery, Messenger, Mesh, Mail, SkyDrive/Spaces)were the seeds for and evolved into the Win8x/10 included apps. i.e. the future that MSFT saw started two decades ago when the MSN and MSN Explorer Team(subscription based software[2]) in Cupertino relocated to Seattle and eventually became the employees for Live and Mobile platforms and later merged with Windows to work on Windows 8x. [1] MSn Explorer software [2] Even today,well over 1.6 Million subscription remain and that includes Outlook.com Plus(ad free accounts) but excludes Office 365 subscriptions. Last estimate I heard was MSn/Live/Hotmail/Outlook.com subscription accounts have raked in a whopping $16 Billion dollars of revenue since 1995. -- ...w¡ñ§±¤ñ msft mvp windows experience 2007-2016, insider mvp 2016-2018 |
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