Buying Windows 7
I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought.
I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed |
Buying Windows 7
On 07/05/2018 01:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed Do you own a copy of Windows 7 already but don't have the CD? The ISO is readily available for free, all you need is the CD Key from your old windows 7. You never gave any info how you got win 10, I'm guessing an upgrade from 7 or you got the machine that way. One big issue with going from 10 to 7 on a preloaded machine is drivers. Investigate that first. No drivers=No workie! Me personally, I'm not secure with these sites selling $10 copies of OSs. They could be valid from trashed PCs. I always shop places like Newegg.com in the US. |
Buying Windows 7
On 07/05/2018 04:28 PM, Big Al wrote:
On 07/05/2018 01:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed Do you own a copy of Windows 7 already but don't have the CD?Â* The ISO is readily available for free, all you need is the CD Key from your old windows 7.Â*Â* You never gave any info how you got win 10, I'm guessing an upgrade from 7 or you got the machine that way. One big issue with going from 10 to 7 on a preloaded machine is drivers. Â*Investigate that first.Â*Â* No drivers=No workie! Me personally, I'm not secure with these sites selling $10 copies of OSs.Â* They could be valid from trashed PCs. I always shop places like Newegg.com in the US. Ebay has a lot of them. I question a few of them after reading them, they may be OEM and from one experience with OEM, it only works on the PC it was installed on. Moving to another PC does not work as it looks at the motherboard and verifies it's on the right machine. Dell is famous for that. |
Buying Windows 7
Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed So that outfit just sends you a key ? Can you chop up an MSDN Subscription and make license keys that cheaply ? That's what we'd want to know. There has to be some lower limit where they stop making money. The license keys might be "valid", but the usage of the keys in this way might violate the terms of usage. It's just hard to police. And since there's hardly any web-based means of vetting keys, you can't even enter the key you buy, and have it tell you "MSDN Key" or the like. No way to tell the parentage. The key likely isn't a VLK (Volume License Key). And I don't know of a way to make license keys, other than MSDN Subscription. It's the most credible mechanism I've heard of. If a corporation receives a Dell at shipping and receiving, there's no license they can recycle there. It's not like these somehow derive from installing corporate images on bulk-purchase PCs. And you know these license keys never started life in boxed software. As the proprietor would lose their shirt if doing it that way. They'd be selling well below their cost. Paul |
Buying Windows 7
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 16:37:00 -0400, Big Al wrote:
On 07/05/2018 04:28 PM, Big Al wrote: On 07/05/2018 01:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed Do you own a copy of Windows 7 already but don't have the CD?Â* The ISO is readily available for free, all you need is the CD Key from your old windows 7.Â*Â* You never gave any info how you got win 10, I'm guessing an upgrade from 7 or you got the machine that way. One big issue with going from 10 to 7 on a preloaded machine is drivers. Â*Investigate that first.Â*Â* No drivers=No workie! Me personally, I'm not secure with these sites selling $10 copies of OSs.Â* They could be valid from trashed PCs. I always shop places like Newegg.com in the US. Ebay has a lot of them. I question a few of them after reading them, they may be OEM and from one experience with OEM, it only works on the PC it was installed on. Moving to another PC does not work as it looks at the motherboard and verifies it's on the right machine. Dell is famous for that. It's not just one experience and it's not just Dell. That's Microsoft's rule. An OEM copy is licensed for use only on the original computer it was installed on, and it may not be moved to another one. And Microsoft considers that if you change the motherboard, it's a different computer. One might argue that since the OEM sticker with the product key is affixed to the computer's case, it's the case that defines the original computer, and you should be able to continue to use the OEM copy if you change everything within the case, as long as you keep the case. But I wouldn't want to fight Microsoft in court. |
Buying Windows 7
Big Al wrote:
One big issue with going from 10 to 7 on a preloaded machine is drivers. Investigate that first. No drivers=No workie! That's a good point. If the box had a Skylake processor, chances are there won't be a problem getting the core drivers. Microsoft may try to disable Windows Update if the box uses Kaby Lake processor. Someone made a workaround for that. It's not clear whether the Microsoft trick is consistent with Coffee Lake or not. With the OS installed but not activated, you have a 30 day grace period to work with, so could do your testing and tweaking before committing to a license key. Paul |
Buying Windows 7
Big Al wrote:
On 07/05/2018 04:28 PM, Big Al wrote: On 07/05/2018 01:36 PM, Ed Cryer wrote: I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed Do you own a copy of Windows 7 already but don't have the CD?* The ISO is readily available for free, all you need is the CD Key from your old windows 7.** You never gave any info how you got win 10, I'm guessing an upgrade from 7 or you got the machine that way. One big issue with going from 10 to 7 on a preloaded machine is drivers. *Investigate that first.** No drivers=No workie! Me personally, I'm not secure with these sites selling $10 copies of OSs.* They could be valid from trashed PCs. I always shop places like Newegg.com in the US. Ebay has a lot of them. I question a few of them after reading them, they may be OEM and from one experience with OEM, it only works on the PC it was installed on. Moving to another PC does not work as it looks at the motherboard and verifies it's on the right machine. Dell is famous for that. A lot of those at eBay are Dell restore CDs. They're invalid for use on anything other than a Dell but the sellers don't care and don't ask on what computer those Dell-only restore CDs (OEM installs) will get used. The usual excuse by the seller is they are selling media, not a license. You still need a valid license to use the restore media. However, a restore CD that notes "Dell Only" likely has usage restrictions from Dell that it can only be used to restore a Dell computer, not just any computer. How do you know you want Windows 7 unless you have used Windows 7? Are you going *back* to Windows 7? If so, where's your old license key for Windows 7? The product key shown on a sticker on the case is for a volume image of the OS that gets copied onto thousands of computers by the OEM'er. They don't validate every computer they manufacture. They copy an image (fixed) onto each computer. They get to use the volume license. You do not, so the product key shown on the sticker may not be valid for use by you. Use something like Magic Jellybean or Belarc Advisor to get the Windows 7 license key out of that instance of an install. That's the one you get to reuse. You don't get to change from Home to Pro with that license key. You'll have to get the same edition when getting the install media as for what is applicable for the license. Some eBay sellers are selling just the installation media (CD). That means you still need a license key to use the OS. Some are selling just the key and you must already have the installation media. At one time, Microsoft had their own site to download the install ISO files (that you burned onto a CD). I think Digital River was hosting the ISO downloads. That's why anyone can distribute the installation media; however, for the privilege you get to pay them for the installation media or image when it used to be free from Microsoft. This is like those places that will sell you gov't information that you can get for free from the gov't. Ooh, look what I found (as a URL link when I got the ISO image from Microsoft): https://www.microsoft.com/en-us/soft...nload/windows7 You'll still need a legitimate product/license key. It is unclear if you want to go back to Windows 7 you had before or you would be going to a new OS that happens to be an older version of what you got stuck with on a new pre-built (Windows 10). |
Buying Windows 7
"Paul" wrote
| Can you chop up an MSDN Subscription and make | license keys that cheaply ? That's what we'd | want to know. There has to be some lower limit | where they stop making money. MSDN license is not valid. It technically only gives one the right to test software. The page says the keys are coming from "decommissioned PCs". That's also not valid except with the full license. Not with OEM. In other words, a full license can be resold but OEM cannot. It can be valid if it's an unused/unsold key. Dell, HP, etc have always sold leftover disks/ licenses and that's perfectly legal. It gets a bit sticky as to whether you have a right to act as an OEM. I think they officially made that legal at one point and then reneged. But I've never heard of them acting on any claim that it's not legal. This Amazon ad is selling Pro OEM for $200. https://www.amazon.com/Windows-Profe.../dp/B00H09BOXQ I'd expect Home to be maybe $100 or $120 in that case. (Pro really is a waste of money.) Maybe there are cheaper options, but $15 pounds sounds fishy to me. |
Buying Windows 7
Ed Cryer wrote:
I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed Real cd's and keys are going for ~$200 USD from reputable sites. Fake ones usually go for a lot less. |
Buying Windows 7
Paul in Houston TX wrote:
Ed Cryer wrote: I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed Real cd's and keys are going for ~$200 USD from reputable sites. Fake ones usually go for a lot less. The cheapest key is "Daz Loader" :-\ Paul |
Buying Windows 7
Paul wrote:
Paul in Houston TX wrote: Ed Cryer wrote: I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! This site offers Win7 Pro for 13.99 GBP. https://goo.gl/rBddg4 Has anybody bought this? Or does anyone know a better place? Ed Real cd's and keys are going for ~$200 USD from reputable sites. Fake ones usually go for a lot less. The cheapest key is "Daz Loader" :-\ Paul ;) |
Buying Windows 7
Mayayana wrote:
"Paul" wrote | Can you chop up an MSDN Subscription and make | license keys that cheaply ? That's what we'd | want to know. There has to be some lower limit | where they stop making money. MSDN license is not valid. It technically only gives one the right to test software. The page says the keys are coming from "decommissioned PCs". That's also not valid except with the full license. Not with OEM. In other words, a full license can be resold but OEM cannot. It can be valid if it's an unused/unsold key. Dell, HP, etc have always sold leftover disks/ licenses and that's perfectly legal. It gets a bit sticky as to whether you have a right to act as an OEM. I think they officially made that legal at one point and then reneged. But I've never heard of them acting on any claim that it's not legal. This Amazon ad is selling Pro OEM for $200. https://www.amazon.com/Windows-Profe.../dp/B00H09BOXQ I'd expect Home to be maybe $100 or $120 in that case. (Pro really is a waste of money.) Maybe there are cheaper options, but $15 pounds sounds fishy to me. On Windows 7, you buy Pro for the memory license. More modern Windows SKUs aren't as much of a problem. https://docs.microsoft.com/en-us/win...mits_windows_7 Version x86 x64 Windows 7 Ultimate 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Enterprise 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Professional 4 GB 192 GB Windows 7 Home Premium 4 GB 16 GB === 32GB machine needs better license Windows 7 Home Basic 4 GB 8 GB Windows 7 Starter 2 GB 2 GB It's still relatively difficult to get 128GB on a so-called desktop or workstation. ThreadRipper could have supported 1TB, but they dumbed it down to 8x16GB as far as I know. This prevents desktop motherboards from encroaching on lucrative server motherboard space. Paul |
Buying Windows 7
"Paul" wrote
| On Windows 7, you buy Pro for the memory license. | Maybe you do. I have Win7-64 that I've used a couple of times for audio editing, but I think even that only has 8 GB RAM, and it's been fine. I normally do fine with 4 GB and can't imagine why I'd ever need 16. I do actually have 16 on my XP box because that was what was available, but of course there's only about 3.4 GB accessible. The only time I come close to the limit is with something like numerous levels of undo when editing a very big image. |
Buying Windows 7 - related question
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 18:36:00 +0100, Ed Cryer
wrote: I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! Me too! My Win-7 was purchased as an OEM installation CD from Amazon. I bought it legally, and have the CD. I installed it on my new (then) ASUS and it works just fine. Win-10 on my new Dell is a disaster. I would love to install my much-customized Win-7 on it via restoring a disk image from the ASUS. However I am sure that will result in an "unlicensed" installation. Is there any way I can license it? I would be happy to pay MS for another license for the Dell. -dan z- -- Someone who thinks logically provides a nice contrast to the real world. (Anonymous) |
Buying Windows 7 - related question
slate_leeper wrote:
On Thu, 5 Jul 2018 18:36:00 +0100, Ed Cryer wrote: I'm fed up with Windows 10 on a machine I bought. I want Win7! I want Win7! Me too! My Win-7 was purchased as an OEM installation CD from Amazon. I bought it legally, and have the CD. I installed it on my new (then) ASUS and it works just fine. Win-10 on my new Dell is a disaster. I would love to install my much-customized Win-7 on it via restoring a disk image from the ASUS. However I am sure that will result in an "unlicensed" installation. Is there any way I can license it? I would be happy to pay MS for another license for the Dell. -dan z- Have you tried contacting Dell? |
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