Connecting DSL to Win 10
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new
computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know before I set it up. I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully. I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi. Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this? Thanks much for any tips. -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
On 12/5/18 10:00 AM, KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know before I set it up. I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully. I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi. Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this? Thanks much for any tips. Finish the Install of Windows 10. Then plug in the Ethernet cable to your new computer. Should be very uneventful. Test your speed at http://speedof.me |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know before I set it up. I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully. I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi. Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this? Thanks much for any tips. If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in" to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any more than that for Windows 10. ******* If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only or a modem/router. ******* I've always modified the settings on mine, and for that, I usually need the username/password for the ADSL service. The username could be an account code, like A1234567 and the password might be assigned by the ISP, like se45fv92. Sometimes a reputable ISP will put all those little numbers on a card in the modem box, and you can tape the card to the equipment for later experiments. If you were going to convert a modem/router to bridged operation (modem only), you might need the VCI:VPI values. That information isn't always on the card. A website like DSLreports has all sorts of setup info for various ISPs. For best results, start off using the *same cable* the WinXP box was using, because you know that worked. Rather than inserting some ethernet cable from the junk room, which happens not to work. You might want to Google the model number of the box, see whether it's a modem, a modem/router, whether it supports routed or bridged operation, and whether a popular web page describes how to set up the more obscure modes. I don't really think you need to do anything, but "chance favors a prepared mind". The more you know, the more you'll be able to deal with the symptoms as they arise. In one case, my problem was, my "ISP service" wasn't enabled yet, and all the crap I was doing in my room, was for nothing :-) I visited the local Phone Store, and a helpful person, after hearing my tale of woe, said "I know who to phone...". And the next day, my service was running. If I phoned the "normal" service number, I kept getting the "why don't you wait for tomorrow and see if it works" routine. I hate that. Paul |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
KenK wrote:
I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know before I set it up. I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully. I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi. Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this? Many router/modems have security features (in addition to a stateful firewall) one of which is to disallow all connections to the router unless an intranet host's IP (static) or MAC address is added to a whitelist. That is, only those IP or MAC addresses in the whitelist will be allowed to use the router. The default is to allow all intranet hosts to connect to the router, so if you didn't tweak the router's security settings then it won't care about what intranet host uses it. Have you ever visited the internal web server inside the modem to look at its settings? If not then the modem is running with the default login credentials which means anyone can remotely access that modem. There are public lists of default logins for various brands and models of routers and modems. They can be used to hack through router/modems where the login credentials have not been changed away from the defaults. Log into the modem and change the password to a strong one (likely you cannot change the username, just the password). You don't want someone using the default login to remotely get through the modem to modify it, like punching a hole through its firewall to grant external access to all your intranet hosts. |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
Paul wrote in :
KenK wrote: I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know before I set it up. I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully. I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi. Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this? Thanks much for any tips. If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in" to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any more than that for Windows 10. ******* If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only or a modem/router. Zyxel model number C1100Z. ******* I've always modified the settings on mine, and for that, I usually need the username/password for the ADSL service. The username could be an account code, like A1234567 and the password might be assigned by the ISP, like se45fv92. Sometimes a reputable ISP will put all those little numbers on a card in the modem box, and you can tape the card to the equipment for later experiments. If you were going to convert a modem/router to bridged operation (modem only), you might need the VCI:VPI values. That information isn't always on the card. A website like DSLreports has all sorts of setup info for various ISPs. For best results, start off using the *same cable* the WinXP box was using, because you know that worked. Rather than inserting some ethernet cable from the junk room, which happens not to work. You might want to Google the model number of the box, see whether it's a modem, a modem/router, whether it supports routed or bridged operation, and whether a popular web page describes how to set up the more obscure modes. I don't really think you need to do anything, but "chance favors a prepared mind". The more you know, the more you'll be able to deal with the symptoms as they arise. In one case, my problem was, my "ISP service" wasn't enabled yet, and all the crap I was doing in my room, was for nothing :-) I visited the local Phone Store, and a helpful person, after hearing my tale of woe, said "I know who to phone...". And the next day, my service was running. If I phoned the "normal" service number, I kept getting the "why don't you wait for tomorrow and see if it works" routine. I hate that. Paul Thank you. Need to print this out and digest it later when I have some more time. -- I love a good meal! That's why I don't cook. |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
KenK wrote:
Zyxel model number C1100Z So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and sharing |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
In article , KenK
wrote: I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know before I set it up. I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully. I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi. Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this? Thanks much for any tips. why don't you have a router with a lan? |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
On 5 Dec 2018 18:46:22 GMT, KenK wrote:
Paul wrote in : KenK wrote: I'm about to connect my CenturyLink DSL modem to Windows 10. This is a new computer I haven't booted yet but want to have everything I need to know before I set it up. I aleady use this on a Windows XP computer successfully. I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi. Anything in particular I need to know or have researched before I do this? Thanks much for any tips. If you didn't do anything other than "plug it in" to WinXP, then you shouldn't have to do any more than that for Windows 10. ******* If you provide the *Model Number* of the box, then people will be able to identify whether it's a modem only or a modem/router. Zyxel model number C1100Z. It's a combination router/modem. Even without your providing the model number I knew it was, since you said "I prefer to use a wired connection rather than wi-fi." Boxes that are just modems never have wi-fi connection. And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my standard post on modems: A device that connects to a high-speed internet connection is properly called a "gateway," not a modem, because that high-speed internet connection is digital to begin with. So there's no analog to digital conversion, no modulating or demodulating is required, and the term "modem" is technically inappropriate. However, the difference between a modem and a gateway is not widely known, and the term "modem" is widely used for both types of devices. Some people strenuously object to this usage, because it's not technically correct. My personal feeling is that, leaving aside the analog to digital conversion issue, both devices do essentially the same thing--they connect a computer (or network) to the internet. Since there is no term that is really correct for any device that connects a computer to the internet, and since the term "modem" is so widely used for this, I think insisting that a gateway not be called a modem is just rigid and inflexible. Despite the original meaning of the term, for all practical purposes, calling that DSL or cable device on your desk a "modem" is far and away the best thing to do. Like so many English words, the word "modem" has changed its meaning over time. A router by itself doesn't connect to the internet. Since you have a device that does, it's a combination of a router and a DSL (or cable) modem in a single box. Such combination boxes are becoming more common, but some of us prefer and have individual boxes. In my home, for example, I have a separate DSL modem and a router. As with printer/scanners and computer/video screens, I prefer separate devices, so if one dies they don't both have to be replaced. |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
Andy Burns wrote:
KenK wrote: Zyxel model number C1100Z So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and sharing Looks like a serious piece of iron to me. https://www.amazon.com/C1100Z-802-11.../dp/B015ELWZ16 Plug and play by the looks of it. VDSL2 Modem/router/icecube_maker. Nothing to learn, nothing to know :-) If I owned it, I might check that the password has been changed, if it's something like "admin:admin". But Centurylink has probably programmed these in the shop, for the correct setup. Some of the rental boxes like that, have a huge label adhered to them, with a bunch of long random passwords, as proof they do care about not leaving default passwords on stuff. If you bought one of those at retail, on say Newegg, they you'd be responsible for properly programming it and securing it. For example, I did my own VOIP setup using my ISP VOIP service, but I got the tech support to print off the settings. Some ISP-grade equipment, has a couple URL entries in the web setup, which allow the box, every time it boots, to go out and fetch the latest config and firmware info, keeping the box secure. So that's a "pull" method, rather than the "push" method they once used on rentals. (My first broadband modem was a security nightmare, with known exploits, but as soon as it's connected to the phone company, they push out the patches to fix the spaghetti security holes. The newer boxes "pull" on power-up. You can enter the web interface and disable that if you want.) Paul |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
Paul wrote:
Andy Burns wrote: KenK wrote: Zyxel model number C1100Z So you'll need to add a new PPoE "dialler" in control panel, network and sharing VDSL2 Modem/router/icecube_maker. Odd that century link just describe it as "a modem", when taking an actual look, it is a combined modem/router/access point like everyone else calls "a router" ignore the PPPoE suggestion. |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
In article , Ken Blake
wrote: A device that connects to a high-speed internet connection is properly called a "gateway," not a modem, because that high-speed internet connection is digital to begin with. So there's no analog to digital conversion, no modulating or demodulating is required, and the term "modem" is technically inappropriate. for dsl, it is a modem. for other types of broadband, it may or may not be a modem. However, the difference between a modem and a gateway is not widely known, and the term "modem" is widely used for both types of devices. Some people strenuously object to this usage, because it's not technically correct. My personal feeling is that, leaving aside the analog to digital conversion issue, both devices do essentially the same thing--they connect a computer (or network) to the internet. Since there is no term that is really correct for any device that connects a computer to the internet, and since the term "modem" is so widely used for this, I think insisting that a gateway not be called a modem is just rigid and inflexible. then why are you making a big deal about it? Despite the original meaning of the term, for all practical purposes, calling that DSL or cable device on your desk a "modem" is far and away the best thing to do. Like so many English words, the word "modem" has changed its meaning over time. the meaning hasn't changed. what changed is usage and the difference does not matter. A router by itself doesn't connect to the internet. Since you have a device that does, it's a combination of a router and a DSL (or cable) modem in a single box. false. in some cases, a router *does* directly connect to the internet. mine certainly does. Such combination boxes are becoming more common, but some of us prefer and have individual boxes. In my home, for example, I have a separate DSL modem and a router. As with printer/scanners and computer/video screens, I prefer separate devices, so if one dies they don't both have to be replaced. sometimes separate devices are useful and sometimes they're not. a combo device can sometimes do things not possible with separate devices. combo devices are also less clutter. for example, a combo printer/scanner can function as a copying machine with the tap of a button. the ones with sheet feeders are even more convenient. |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote:
And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my standard post on modems: Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that then just how does it work? It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber line. -- Regards - Rodney Pont The from address exists but is mostly dumped, please send any emails to the address below e-mail rpont (at) gmail (dot) com |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:04:38 +0000 (GMT), "rp"
wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my standard post on modems: Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that then just how does it work? What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them. It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber line. |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
Ken Blake wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 22:04:38 +0000 (GMT), "rp" wrote: On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my standard post on modems: Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that then just how does it work? It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber line. What I wrote is my understanding of how it works. If you want more details, sorry, I'm the wrong person to ask and I can't provide them. ADSL works in the frequency domain. Wiki ADSL points to DMT. DMT points to OFDM. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Orthog...n_multiplexing "OFDM is a frequency-division multiplexing (FDM) scheme used as a digital multi-carrier modulation method. Numerous closely spaced orthogonal sub-carrier signals with overlapping spectra are emitted to carry data. Demodulation is based on Fast Fourier Transform algorithms. [The ADSL modem tends to run at constant-power, because the DSP doing this runs constantly, never knowing when information content might be on the wire.] Each sub-carrier (signal) is modulated with a conventional modulation scheme (such as quadrature amplitude modulation [QAM] or phase-shift keying [PSK]) at a low symbol rate. This maintains total data rates similar to conventional single-carrier modulation schemes in the same bandwidth. The main advantage of OFDM over single-carrier schemes is its ability to cope with severe channel conditions (for example, attenuation of high frequencies in a long copper wire, narrowband interference and frequency-selective fading due to multipath) without complex equalization filters. Channel equalization is simplified because OFDM may be viewed as using many slowly modulated narrowband signals rather than one rapidly modulated wideband signal. " Originally, this design was intended for 18000 foot or 36000 foot wires. Today, fiber to the concentrator reduces the copper wire portion to 500-1000 feet, and conditions aren't nearly as demanding of tolerance to line conditions. On an 18000 foot wire, there might have been loading coils at one time. Dialup modems work in a similar way, in that they have frequency buckets and measurable impairment at various frequencies. There is a command on dialup modems, after a session ends, to dump the information about the frequency buckets. An expert may be able to examine those numbers, and suggest what should be looked for when a trouble-ticket is filed with the phone company. The spectrum on VDSL2 now extends up to 30MHz, which means the carriers on the line, go all the way up into the CB (Citizens Band) radio region. And that's a valid usage on that 500-1000 foot piece of wire. If the wire is made longer than that, you would have trouble meeting the contracted data rate (up/down). You can't shove a 30MHz signal through 18000 feet of wire, and get 100Mbit/sec from it. ******* Some ADSL modems have a telnet interface, where a table of data is sitting. There is at least one software program, that logs into the modem and collects that data for display. The display looks like this. https://www.spida.net/projects/softw...-ux/dmt-ux.png Using the SNR, at one time people would phone up the ISP and ask for their "capped rate" to be raised. This is different than the contract rate. The capped rate is a "safe value", where most of the time, packets are not errored. In the old days, it was quite common for line conditions to suck enough, that the rate "had to be turned down". You contracted 5Mbit down, and got 3Mbit down via "capped rate". The provider adjusted the capped rate, to ensure your equipment didn't need to do a lot of TCP retries, to get packets through undamaged. Today, in the city at least, that's largely in the past. My contract rate today is 15, my capped rate is 15. I no longer get ripped off. I went from 5 (capped to 3), to 15 (capped to 15), for a 5x increase in performance. The capping game isn't what it used to be. We no longer have to "beg" for bandwidth via trouble-ticket :-) Good times. Cable broadband is also modulated. Up in the VHF somewhere presumably. ******* If you want to get into arguments about the semantics of modulation/demodulation, it renders the term meaningless. In a technical discussion, the term is saved for non-trivial cases. In the case of ADSL, a significant amount of electrical power goes into its operation, which raises the operating costs of VOIP, and the whole thing ends up looking ridiculous compared to the power-sipping that POTS does. Paul |
Connecting DSL to Win 10
On 12/5/2018 5:04 PM, rp wrote:
On Wed, 05 Dec 2018 12:04:48 -0700, Ken Blake wrote: And forgive me for being overly technical, but it's really a combination router/gateway, not a router/modem. The term "modem" is short for "MOdulator-DEModulator." Technically, it's a device that converts the analog signal on the telephone line to the digital signal needed by a computer, and vice-versa. Technically, any device that doesn't do that analog to digital conversion is not a modem (Here's my standard post on modems: Are you telling me that a DSL 'device' doesn't modulate the digital signal over an analogue line into several different frequency bins and demodulate what it receives back into digital? If you are saying that then just how does it work? It's still the sane old analogue telephone line until it gets a modulator and demodulator at each end to make it a digital subscriber line. I don't know if I am right but I always suspect that when the telephone went digital in the 1980's, the differnce in the transmission of the digital conversation and data converged into the same basic system. I assumed this because of the a telephone number is the same number of digits as a URL 192.168.01.01 919-333-3636 Is this assumption correct? -- 2018: The year we learn to play the great game of Euchre |
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