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The hot corners don't work well with multiple screens (even with the 6 pixel
"block" thing that stops the mouse moving onto another screen).

Wouldn't mind the start screen so much if everything was just on one page -
but having to right-click and go "all apps" makes it a bit of a pain. And
when you view "all apps", there's far too much to quickly find what you
want. Preferred the Start Menu where everything was in a folder until you
opened it. (Winkey-Q does this a bit quicker, but means resorting to the
keyboard)

Having taskbars across multiple monitors would be far more useful if the
buttons all remained in the same place (i.e., if all the taskbars were
identical). If you've a load of windows open, a button might be right on the
end of the first row on one screen, but mid-way through another row on
another (because of movement caused by the tray icons and clock). So
annoying, it's not worth having the feature on :-(

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off :-(

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"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!


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XS11E wrote:
"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!

That is reassuring, but is it useful as well as usable? Does Windows 8
do anything non metro that Windows 7 doesn't, or do anything better?
--
Crash

"I'm told that Wagner's music is not as bad as it sounds."
~ Mark Twain ~

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"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...
XS11E wrote:
"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!

That is reassuring, but is it useful as well as usable? Does Windows 8
do anything non metro that Windows 7 doesn't, or do anything better?
--
Crash

A few things I've noticed, it's got support for iso and vhd files. Double-click on
an iso file and it will create a virtual dvd drive and mount it.
(4.8 M/B video)
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/iso.mp4
I haven't done any measurements but file copying seems to be faster to me,
(and you get a real-time speed graph while copying!).
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/copy.png

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Dave-UK wrote:

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message
...
XS11E wrote:
"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!

That is reassuring, but is it useful as well as usable? Does Windows 8
do anything non metro that Windows 7 doesn't, or do anything better?
--
Crash

A few things I've noticed, it's got support for iso and vhd files.
Double-click on
an iso file and it will create a virtual dvd drive and mount it. (4.8
M/B video)
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/iso.mp4
I haven't done any measurements but file copying seems to be faster to
me, (and you get a real-time speed graph while copying!).
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/copy.png

In my tests here, file copying in Windows 8 is fast at first,
and then slows down as the copy progresses. The initial copy
phase seems disk limited, and runs slower than disk limited,
nearer the end of the transfer.

Mine tend to look like this example. And it's not necessarily
the hardware, because other OSes don't do that.

http://windows8transfer.com/wp-conte...ndows-8-06.png

Paul

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On Sun, 09 Sep 2012 08:33:36 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

XS11E wrote:
"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!

That is reassuring, but is it useful as well as usable? Does Windows 8
do anything non metro that Windows 7 doesn't, or do anything better?

Of course it does -
http://redmondmag.com/Blogs/IT-Decis...sing-Info.aspx

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"Mr Simon" wrote in message
...
The hot corners don't work well with multiple screens (even with the 6
pixel "block" thing that stops the mouse moving onto another screen).

As usual, it will be advisable to wait until Service Pack 2.

:-)

--
Brian
"Fight like the Devil, die like a gentleman."

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Dave-UK wrote:

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message
...
XS11E wrote:
"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro
off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!

That is reassuring, but is it useful as well as usable? Does
Windows 8 do anything non metro that Windows 7 doesn't, or do
anything better? -- Crash

A few things I've noticed, it's got support for iso and vhd files.
Double-click on an iso file and it will create a virtual dvd drive
and mount it. (4.8 M/B video) http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/iso.mp4 I
haven't done any measurements but file copying seems to be faster to
me, (and you get a real-time speed graph while copying!).
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/copy.png

Those virtual drives are cool, although I wouldn't have much use for
them.

My real concern is Solitaire. Will I win more games in Windows 8? :-)

--
Crash

"I am not young enough to know everything."
~ Oscar Wilde ~

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"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message ...
Dave-UK wrote:

"Dave "Crash" Dummy" wrote in message
...
XS11E wrote:
"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro
off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!

That is reassuring, but is it useful as well as usable? Does
Windows 8 do anything non metro that Windows 7 doesn't, or do
anything better? -- Crash

A few things I've noticed, it's got support for iso and vhd files.
Double-click on an iso file and it will create a virtual dvd drive
and mount it. (4.8 M/B video) http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/iso.mp4 I
haven't done any measurements but file copying seems to be faster to
me, (and you get a real-time speed graph while copying!).
http://www.admin1.myzen.co.uk/copy.png

Those virtual drives are cool, although I wouldn't have much use for
them.

My real concern is Solitaire. Will I win more games in Windows 8? :-)

--
Crash


I can't help you there. I hate the Metro start screen and I don't want a Microsoft account
so I uninstalled all the Metro apps, including the Games. If I l had left the apps installed
they wouldn't have run anyway because none off the apps work if UAC is turned off, which
is what I want. (Also, the Administrators group is set to be in Admin Approval Mode by default.
This means you have to right-click exe files and select run as admin or some will silently fail to run.
You can turn that off to get back to Win7 usability).
So I don't know anything about Win8's Solitaire ! :-)

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If not using a touch screen, moving the mouse full left or right scrolls the start screen in the corresponding direction.

--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"Mr Simon" wrote in message ...

Wouldn't mind the start screen so much if everything was just on one page -
but having to right-click and go "all apps" makes it a bit of a pain.

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On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:02:31 +0100, "Brian Watson"
wrote:


As usual, it will be advisable to wait until Service Pack 2.



I completely disagree.

I'm never in favor of waiting for a Service Pack. The point in time
when a service pack is released is at the discretion of Microsoft and
is completely arbitrary. Upgrades and fixes to any version of Windows
are released when needed--once a month, normally, but more often when
necessary. At some arbitrary point, Microsoft decides to roll up all
those upgrades and fixes into one package and calls the result a
service pack.

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability. There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.

--
Ken Blake

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On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:02:31 +0100, "Brian Watson"
wrote in article
...

"Mr Simon" wrote in message
...
The hot corners don't work well with multiple screens (even with the 6
pixel "block" thing that stops the mouse moving onto another screen).

As usual, it will be advisable to wait until Service Pack 2.

:-)

The trigger in the business community seems to be SP1 rather than SP2.
Historically, SP1 seems to be the point at which new versions of
Windows have reached a point of stability, both in the OS and in the
drivers that support it, where things go smoothly enough that the
upgrade is worth it in their eyes. Of course, the business community
also has a habit of leapfrogging alternate versions of Windows entirely
so Windows 8 is pretty well positioned to be skipped regardless of SP.

--
Zaphod

Vell, Zaphod's just zis guy, ya know? - Gag Halfrunt

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On Mon, 10 Sep 2012 09:31:45 -0700, "Ken Blake"
wrote in article ...

On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 19:02:31 +0100, "Brian Watson"
wrote:


As usual, it will be advisable to wait until Service Pack 2.



I completely disagree.

I'm never in favor of waiting for a Service Pack.

You may not be, but a significant percentage of businesses disagree.

The point in time
when a service pack is released is at the discretion of Microsoft and
is completely arbitrary. Upgrades and fixes to any version of Windows
are released when needed--once a month, normally, but more often when
necessary. At some arbitrary point, Microsoft decides to roll up all
those upgrades and fixes into one package and calls the result a
service pack.

There's no particular significance to when that service pack is
released, and it doesn't mark a special point of stability.

I'm not sure that is accurate - MS typically releases the corresponding
Server version at the same time as SP1 for the client OS so it appears
that they place a certain amount of additional confidence in what is
contained in SP1 as opposed to the RTM release.

But even if it does not mark a special point of stability from MS
standpoint, in general terms it is around that point in time where it
*has* reached a point of stability, both in the OS and supporting
drivers, where the hassles of migrating to it and supporting it have
diminished to where it is worthwhile. At the very least, any issues
are more likely to be reasonably well known and workarounds and fixes
established by then.

There were
upgrades before it and there will be more upgrades after it. Since it
has no particular significance, treating it as a special event, and
waiting for it, is meaningless.

True, updates will still come, but calling it meaningless is a bit much
- from a business standpoint, it is in their best interest to wait a
while for the larger kinks to be worked out before migrating. The term
"bleeding edge of technology" exists for a reason...

--
Zaphod

"So [Trillian], two heads is what does it for a girl?"
"...Anything else [Zaphod]'s got two of?"
- Arthur Dent

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On Sun, 9 Sep 2012 10:06:33 +0100, "Mr Simon" wrote:

The hot corners don't work well with multiple screens (even with the 6 pixel
"block" thing that stops the mouse moving onto another screen).

Wouldn't mind the start screen so much if everything was just on one page -
but having to right-click and go "all apps" makes it a bit of a pain. And
when you view "all apps", there's far too much to quickly find what you
want. Preferred the Start Menu where everything was in a folder until you
opened it. (Winkey-Q does this a bit quicker, but means resorting to the
keyboard)

Having taskbars across multiple monitors would be far more useful if the
buttons all remained in the same place (i.e., if all the taskbars were
identical). If you've a load of windows open, a button might be right on the
end of the first row on one screen, but mid-way through another row on
another (because of movement caused by the tray icons and clock). So
annoying, it's not worth having the feature on :-(

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off :-(


Add "removed full configuration of AV" to the list...
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"XS11E" wrote:
"Mr Simon" wrote:

And the usual complaint about not being able to switch Metro off

It's easily switched off with Classic Shell.

http://classicshell.sourceforge.net/

With Classic Shell, Windows 8 becomes a usable OS!

Will take a look at some point.

The main problem for me though with using 3rd party tools to make things
usable is that I support a good few PC's across many sites. It's always a
bit counter-productive to get lazy and start relying on doing things in a
non-standard way, as it comes back to bite you later when you can't walk
users through the normal/proper way of doing it!

Also - it's a pain installing these third party things at sites :-(

S.