Windows Refresh Question
If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed
using this media? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? |
Windows Refresh Question
"Ron" escreveu na mensagem ... If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? .... "After you've created the installation media, do one of the following to install Windows 8.1: •Connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, browse to it in File Explorer, and then open the setup.exe file. Follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up to boot from a USB drive, connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up boot from the DVD drive, insert the DVD into your PC, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup." http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? .... "If you’re not running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, you’ll need to enter a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product key. You'll also need a product key if you're running Windows 8 and trying to install Windows 8.1 Pro. To learn how to buy Windows 8.1 to get a product key, go to the Get Windows page." |
Windows Refresh Question
On 7/13/2015 8:36 PM, Jack Smith wrote:
"Ron" escreveu na mensagem ... If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? ... "After you've created the installation media, do one of the following to install Windows 8.1: •Connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, browse to it in File Explorer, and then open the setup.exe file. Follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up to boot from a USB drive, connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up boot from the DVD drive, insert the DVD into your PC, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup." http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? ... "If you’re not running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, you’ll need to enter a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product key. You'll also need a product key if you're running Windows 8 and trying to install Windows 8.1 Pro. To learn how to buy Windows 8.1 to get a product key, go to the Get Windows page." I've read all of that, but I've also read in some forums that it will ask for a Windows 8.1 key during the refresh process. I've also read that it doesn't ask for a key. That is why I'm confused. |
Windows Refresh Question
On 7/13/2015 8:43 PM, Ron wrote:
On 7/13/2015 8:36 PM, Jack Smith wrote: "Ron" escreveu na mensagem ... If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? ... "After you've created the installation media, do one of the following to install Windows 8.1: •Connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, browse to it in File Explorer, and then open the setup.exe file. Follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up to boot from a USB drive, connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up boot from the DVD drive, insert the DVD into your PC, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup." http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? ... "If you’re not running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, you’ll need to enter a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product key. You'll also need a product key if you're running Windows 8 and trying to install Windows 8.1 Pro. To learn how to buy Windows 8.1 to get a product key, go to the Get Windows page." I've read all of that, but I've also read in some forums that it will ask for a Windows 8.1 key during the refresh process. I've also read that it doesn't ask for a key. That is why I'm confused. BTW, I'm not talking about Pro. |
Windows Refresh Question
Ron wrote:
On 7/13/2015 8:36 PM, Jack Smith wrote: "Ron" escreveu na mensagem ... If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? ... "After you've created the installation media, do one of the following to install Windows 8.1: •Connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, browse to it in File Explorer, and then open the setup.exe file. Follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up to boot from a USB drive, connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up boot from the DVD drive, insert the DVD into your PC, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup." http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? ... "If you’re not running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, you’ll need to enter a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product key. You'll also need a product key if you're running Windows 8 and trying to install Windows 8.1 Pro. To learn how to buy Windows 8.1 to get a product key, go to the Get Windows page." I've read all of that, but I've also read in some forums that it will ask for a Windows 8.1 key during the refresh process. I've also read that it doesn't ask for a key. That is why I'm confused. Let's pretend for a moment, that the same installer DVD does both clean installations, and upgrade/repair installations. It doesn't have a particular reason for the interface to change. The behavior should be consistent. OEM products (Dell) released with Win8 on the hard drive, there is a license key baked into the BIOS chip, and no COA sticker on the outside of the machine. The idea is, no matter what Win8/8.1 installer you're using, whether it's a clean install or an upgrade/repair install, all of those DVDs can "see" the BIOS key. No need for MagicJellyBean type tools. If you run any Win8 installer, and it cannot "sniff" a key from the BIOS, then you should be seeing the key prompt. You cannot bypass the prompt in Windows 8, whereas previous OS installers allowed you to click "Next" with the key empty. There are some keys which can be used on a non-Dell machine (a home-built computer), that can delay the need for the actual purchased key. This returns the effective behavior of Windows 8 Home/Pro, to the previous tradition of clicking Next. These are "install-only" keys. Many keys are available for Enterprise, whereas home users are lucky to have these few to work with. The OS cannot be activated with these. (Home user, temporary install-only key strings) Windows 8.1 Pro: XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB Windows 8.1 Co 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT Windows 8.0 Pro: XKY4K-2NRWR-8F6P2-448RF-CRYQH Windows 8.0 Co FB4WR-32NVD-4RW79-XQFWH-CYQG3 Later, when whatever install you've done is completed to your satisfaction, there is a GUI as well as a command line (SLUI?) way to offer the genuine key, then activate. I used that technique, just as a test of this method, on my second computer. I think I used the very first key in the list for the install. (One of those $39.95 installs.) ******* If you are a system builder, and build computers for people, that's different. You slap a COA sticker on the outside of the new Win8 computer, and nothing is baked into the BIOS. If the installer DVD asks for a key, you have that COA sticker to use. If you lose the COA sticker, you can use a MagicJellyBean solution to find the key again. If you lose both the sticker (scratched up), and the hard drive dies, you're in a lot of trouble. I use slim jewel box cases for my installer media, and I write the key up near the "handle" area of the casing, where it is protected. Just in case you need yet another place you could store the key. I no longer mark up the media itself, nor attach stickers. Once the media is done in the drive, it goes right back in the matching jewel box. ******* If you have a "tricky situation", where you have an 8.0 key, and 8.1 media, and there is some discussion about the media not accepting the key, that's when the install-only key can be used to ease you past the critical point in the process. Then, later, SLUI or a GUI like this, should finish the job. http://www.techapna.com/wp-content/u...s-8-Option.png Paul |
Windows Refresh Question
Ron wrote:
If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? The media is intened for reinstall or installing 8.1 and accepts a 8.0 or 8.1 product key. It is not for refresh purposes nor is it intended as the insertable media when requested to be inserted during the refresh process. - i.e. use the 8.0/8.1 media provided or created with the pc (OEM Recovery disk, 8.0 upgrade media, 8.1 full version media, user created 8.0/8.1 recovery disk) If the laptop was upgraded from 8.0 to 8.1 the recovery partition on the drive as shipped and after upgrading to 8.1 was an 8.0 recovery partition. If the laptop has the key on firmware...the media can be use to install or reinstall without the need for the key. It as noted above is not media for refresh. -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
Windows Refresh Question
On 7/13/2015 9:08 PM, Paul wrote:
Ron wrote: On 7/13/2015 8:36 PM, Jack Smith wrote: "Ron" escreveu na mensagem ... If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? ... "After you've created the installation media, do one of the following to install Windows 8.1: •Connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, browse to it in File Explorer, and then open the setup.exe file. Follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up to boot from a USB drive, connect the USB flash drive to the PC where you want to install Windows 8.1, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup. •If your PC is set up boot from the DVD drive, insert the DVD into your PC, restart (reboot) it, and then follow the instructions in setup." http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? ... "If you’re not running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, you’ll need to enter a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product key. You'll also need a product key if you're running Windows 8 and trying to install Windows 8.1 Pro. To learn how to buy Windows 8.1 to get a product key, go to the Get Windows page." I've read all of that, but I've also read in some forums that it will ask for a Windows 8.1 key during the refresh process. I've also read that it doesn't ask for a key. That is why I'm confused. Let's pretend for a moment, that the same installer DVD does both clean installations, and upgrade/repair installations. It doesn't have a particular reason for the interface to change. The behavior should be consistent. OEM products (Dell) released with Win8 on the hard drive, there is a license key baked into the BIOS chip, and no COA sticker on the outside of the machine. The idea is, no matter what Win8/8.1 installer you're using, whether it's a clean install or an upgrade/repair install, all of those DVDs can "see" the BIOS key. No need for MagicJellyBean type tools. If you run any Win8 installer, and it cannot "sniff" a key from the BIOS, then you should be seeing the key prompt. You cannot bypass the prompt in Windows 8, whereas previous OS installers allowed you to click "Next" with the key empty. There are some keys which can be used on a non-Dell machine (a home-built computer), that can delay the need for the actual purchased key. This returns the effective behavior of Windows 8 Home/Pro, to the previous tradition of clicking Next. These are "install-only" keys. Many keys are available for Enterprise, whereas home users are lucky to have these few to work with. The OS cannot be activated with these. (Home user, temporary install-only key strings) Windows 8.1 Pro: XHQ8N-C3MCJ-RQXB6-WCHYG-C9WKB Windows 8.1 Co 334NH-RXG76-64THK-C7CKG-D3VPT Windows 8.0 Pro: XKY4K-2NRWR-8F6P2-448RF-CRYQH Windows 8.0 Co FB4WR-32NVD-4RW79-XQFWH-CYQG3 Later, when whatever install you've done is completed to your satisfaction, there is a GUI as well as a command line (SLUI?) way to offer the genuine key, then activate. I used that technique, just as a test of this method, on my second computer. I think I used the very first key in the list for the install. (One of those $39.95 installs.) ******* If you are a system builder, and build computers for people, that's different. You slap a COA sticker on the outside of the new Win8 computer, and nothing is baked into the BIOS. If the installer DVD asks for a key, you have that COA sticker to use. If you lose the COA sticker, you can use a MagicJellyBean solution to find the key again. If you lose both the sticker (scratched up), and the hard drive dies, you're in a lot of trouble. I use slim jewel box cases for my installer media, and I write the key up near the "handle" area of the casing, where it is protected. Just in case you need yet another place you could store the key. I no longer mark up the media itself, nor attach stickers. Once the media is done in the drive, it goes right back in the matching jewel box. ******* If you have a "tricky situation", where you have an 8.0 key, and 8.1 media, and there is some discussion about the media not accepting the key, that's when the install-only key can be used to ease you past the critical point in the process. Then, later, SLUI or a GUI like this, should finish the job. http://www.techapna.com/wp-content/u...s-8-Option.png Thanks for all of the info, Paul! |
Windows Refresh Question
On 7/14/2015 12:17 AM, . . .winston wrote:
Ron wrote: If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? The media is intened for reinstall or installing 8.1 and accepts a 8.0 or 8.1 product key. It is not for refresh purposes nor is it intended as the insertable media when requested to be inserted during the refresh process. - i.e. use the 8.0/8.1 media provided or created with the pc (OEM Recovery disk, 8.0 upgrade media, 8.1 full version media, user created 8.0/8.1 recovery disk) If the laptop was upgraded from 8.0 to 8.1 the recovery partition on the drive as shipped and after upgrading to 8.1 was an 8.0 recovery partition. If the laptop has the key on firmware...the media can be use to install or reinstall without the need for the key. It as noted above is not media for refresh. So to use this for an install on say, a Windows 7 computer, you would have to purchase a key? Also, kinda strange that in the link it says "create-reset-refresh-media". |
Windows Refresh Question
Ron wrote:
On 7/14/2015 12:17 AM, . . .winston wrote: Ron wrote: If a laptop came with W8 and was upgraded to W8.1 can it be refreshed using this media? http://windows.microsoft.com/en-us/w...-refresh-media If so do you have to have a key for it? The media is intened for reinstall or installing 8.1 and accepts a 8.0 or 8.1 product key. It is not for refresh purposes nor is it intended as the insertable media when requested to be inserted during the refresh process. - i.e. use the 8.0/8.1 media provided or created with the pc (OEM Recovery disk, 8.0 upgrade media, 8.1 full version media, user created 8.0/8.1 recovery disk) If the laptop was upgraded from 8.0 to 8.1 the recovery partition on the drive as shipped and after upgrading to 8.1 was an 8.0 recovery partition. If the laptop has the key on firmware...the media can be use to install or reinstall without the need for the key. It as noted above is not media for refresh. So to use this for an install on say, a Windows 7 computer, you would have to purchase a key? Also, kinda strange that in the link it says "create-reset-refresh-media". It doesn't upgrade Windows 7. It can be used on a Windows 7 system to install Windows 8.1 but an 8.1 key will be necessary. The first line on that url says 'If you need to install or reinstall Windows 8.1, you can use the tool on this page to create your own installation media using either a USB flash drive or a DVD.' That page also states. 'If you’re not running Windows 8 or Windows 8.1, you’ll need to enter a Windows 8 or Windows 8.1 product key.' - i.e. that applies to attempting to use it on a Win7 system or clean booting on a device that has Win7. Refresh is the same as reinstalling Windows...i.e. consistent with the first line ('If you need to install or reinstall') and applicable only to 8.1 -- ...winston msft mvp windows experience |
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