Windows 8 SP1
 

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK


A book is a man's best friend, outside a horse or a dog - inside a horse
or a dog it's too dark to read anyway.

Windows 8 SP1
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Windows 8 SP1
 

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

IM (not very) HO, "The Register" belongs in grocery store checkout lines.
--
Crash

"Never underestimate the power of the Dark Side."
~ Obi-Wan Kenobi ~

Windows 8 SP1
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 15:20:25 -0400, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:

Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

IM (not very) HO, "The Register" belongs in grocery store checkout lines.

Ah - thanks.

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Windows 8 SP1
 

On 10/10/2012 7:46 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

You could - but you'd have to be looking at things from a very odd angle
to construe it as anything but a part-ready product rushed out before it
was ready, and needing to be patched to make it usable. I've used it,
and it certainly isn't ready.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

Why? It's an obvious and logical response to the facts.


--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK


Very funny Scotty - now beam down my clothes.

Windows 8 SP1
 

On 10/10/2012 8:20 PM, Dave "Crash" Dummy wrote:
Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

IM (not very) HO, "The Register" belongs in grocery store checkout lines.


I don't follow that comment? What does a technology magazine have to do
with groceries? If you are attempting, unsuccessfully, to be derogatory
about a very well respected technological magazine for its being
critical of Windows 8, it strikes me as a very childish comment,
especially as every other article in that I've seen about Windows 8 is
of the same critical tone. Perhaps you've just had a bad day.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK


Atheism is a non-prophet organization.

Windows 8 SP1
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 20:36:48 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

On 10/10/2012 7:46 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

You could - but you'd have to be looking at things from a very odd angle
to construe it as anything but a part-ready product rushed out before it
was ready, and needing to be patched to make it usable. I've used it,
and it certainly isn't ready.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

Why? It's an obvious and logical response to the facts.

The facts as construed by you...

As for its being a product rushed out before it was ready, it hasn't
been released - had you noticed?

--
Gene E. Bloch (Stumbling Bloch)

Windows 8 SP1
 

Bob Henson wrote:

On 10/10/2012 7:46 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/
One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

You could - but you'd have to be looking at things from a very odd angle
to construe it as anything but a part-ready product rushed out before it
was ready, and needing to be patched to make it usable. I've used it,
and it certainly isn't ready.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

Why? It's an obvious and logical response to the facts.



What it means, for anyone not paying attention, is a
re-definition of release labeling.

Alpha, Beta, RTM.

becomes

Alpha, RTM, SP1

and means the RTM was "just a beta".

No end user should care about this, but it does
mean for an OEM like Dell/HP/Acer, they end up
being "squeezed" when it comes to proper product
test before release. How well tested will your
new Dell with Windows 8 be, when you get it in
a few weeks ??? That's the issue as I see it.

This is a lot like handing in a homework assignment
late, and sliding it underneath the professor's door sill :-)
Not impressed.

Paul

Windows 8 SP1
 

There's a lot more in play than just MSFT on this subject (including OEM readiness relative to the initial Win8 RTM).

While the update may be welcomed or thought of as controversial including the previously planned (and public notified) updates to
the MSFT store apps...if you're running Win8 RTM now or later after GA for the most part you have/will have a better product with
more robustness and features.

The real issue imo, isn't the what's been fed (updates)...it's the digestion that provides for pro/con discussion and those sides
afiacs haven't changed much since Windows 95.

--
....winston
msft mvp mail


"Paul" wrote in message ...

Bob Henson wrote:

On 10/10/2012 7:46 PM, Gene E. Bloch wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, Bob Henson wrote:

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/
One could also say that Microsoft is being very proactive in improving
its product.

You could - but you'd have to be looking at things from a very odd angle
to construe it as anything but a part-ready product rushed out before it
was ready, and needing to be patched to make it usable. I've used it,
and it certainly isn't ready.

Your response to the update strikes me as radically uncalled for - and I
don't even like Windows 8...

Why? It's an obvious and logical response to the facts.



What it means, for anyone not paying attention, is a
re-definition of release labeling.

Alpha, Beta, RTM.

becomes

Alpha, RTM, SP1

and means the RTM was "just a beta".

No end user should care about this, but it does
mean for an OEM like Dell/HP/Acer, they end up
being "squeezed" when it comes to proper product
test before release. How well tested will your
new Dell with Windows 8 be, when you get it in
a few weeks ??? That's the issue as I see it.

This is a lot like handing in a homework assignment
late, and sliding it underneath the professor's door sill :-)
Not impressed.

Paul

Windows 8 SP1
 

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I
recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after
release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they
are getting a bit better at delivering updates.

As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't
release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after
the OS is released.

--
Zaphod

Adventurer, ex-hippie, good-timer (crook? quite possibly),
manic self-publicist, terrible bad at personal relationships,
often thought to be completely out to lunch.

Windows 8 SP1
 

On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I
recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after
release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they
are getting a bit better at delivering updates.

As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't
release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after
the OS is released.


But not often *before* it is released.
--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK


Dyslexia lures, KO!

Windows 8 SP1
 

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I
recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after
release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they
are getting a bit better at delivering updates.

As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't
release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after
the OS is released.


But not often *before* it is released.


And I repeat:

this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering
updates.

Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates
for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the
updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were
discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous
OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the
RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released
them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is
wrong with that?

--
Zaphod

Pan-Galactic Gargle Blaster: A cocktail based on Janx Spirit.
The effect of one is like having your brain smashed out
by a slice of lemon wrapped round a large gold brick.

Windows 8 SP1
 

On 11/10/2012 3:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I
recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after
release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they
are getting a bit better at delivering updates.

As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't
release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after
the OS is released.


But not often *before* it is released.


And I repeat:

this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering
updates.

Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates
for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the
updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were
discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous
OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the
RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released
them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is
wrong with that?


Nothing - but all the beta testing and changes should be done before the
release is announced and initiated. Otherwise they are taking money for
a product known to be faulty. Naturally other things will need patching
from time to time as the hackers get smarter and get to grips with the
newly released software, but on release day the product should be
complete as far as Microsoft know.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK


No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery

Windows 8 SP1
 

"Bob Henson" wrote in message
...


On 11/10/2012 3:39 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 15:30:33 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

On 11/10/2012 2:57 PM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I
recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after
release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they
are getting a bit better at delivering updates.

As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't
release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after
the OS is released.


But not often *before* it is released.


And I repeat:

this just means they are getting a bit better at delivering
updates.

Or do you think they should wait longer before releasing the updates
for some reason? It is foolish to think that all of the bugs that the
updates released shortly after Win 7 etc. were released to fix were
discovered and fixed after the OS was released. So, as with previous
OS releases, folks on the consumer preview and early adopters of the
RTM reported bugs and MS fixed and tested some of them and released
them - in this case, more quickly than before. What in the world is
wrong with that?


Nothing - but all the beta testing and changes should be done before the
release is announced and initiated. Otherwise they are taking money for
a product known to be faulty. Naturally other things will need patching
from time to time as the hackers get smarter and get to grips with the
newly released software, but on release day the product should be
complete as far as Microsoft know.

--
Bob
Tetbury, Gloucestershire, UK

ALL software products are "known to be faulty" when they are released.
Is this your first computer?

Chris

Windows 8 SP1
 

On Thu, 11 Oct 2012 09:57:05 -0400, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:

On Wed, 10 Oct 2012 16:09:05 +0100, "Bob Henson"
wrote in article ...

Broken before it starts! Not yet on the market and the first major fix
is ready.

http://www.theregister.co.uk/2012/10..._8_rtm_update/

This is not a Service Pack. It is just a handful of updates - and as I
recall, there were a hand full of updates for Windows 7 shortly after
release, as with Windows Vista and XP as well, so this just means they
are getting a bit better at delivering updates.

As to "broken before it starts", name a single modern OS that doesn't
release patches and fixes on a regular schedule, often shortly after the
OS is released.

Debian Stable. It has been thoroughly tested by the time it is released.
Of course there are security updates as the issues are detected.