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Old March 20th 18, 11:10 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Paul[_32_]
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Default What's it doing behind my back?

jetjock wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 15:13:22 -0500, jetjock
wrote:

On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 14:50:08 -0400, Paul
wrote:

jetjock wrote:
On Tue, 20 Mar 2018 00:17:36 GMT, Tim wrote:

jetjock wrote in
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On Mon, 19 Mar 2018 07:05:02 -0400, Paul
wrote:

My wife's Win 10 machine does have the sleep option--only hibernate.
Is there a way to get sleep back, or is there no sleep mode in Win 10?
I didn't know you could make it go away.

Open a command window with administrator authority

powercfg /a will tell you what sleep states are available on your system.
For instance, my system has Standby (S3), Hibernate, Hybrid Sleep, and Fast
Startup Available.

I have turned Hybernate off using the /H option.

I don't see any option for making Sleep go away
Here is what I have found so far. I turned off Classic Start and with
it off, the shut down menu had Sign Out, Sleep, Shut Down and Restart
options. With Classic Shell in use, the options are, Switch User, Log
Off, Lock, Restart and Hibernate.

I use Classic Start on my Win 8 Dell Laptop also, and the menu on it
has, Switch User, Log Off, Lock, Restart, Sleep and Hibernate. Don't
know if this is a Win 8 vs Win 10 thing or not, but will check the
respective .ini files for differences.

I used powercfg /a and found:
C:\WINDOWS\system32powercfg /a
The following sleep states are available on this system:
Standby (S0 Low Power Idle) Network Connected
Hibernate
Fast Startup
The following sleep states are not available on this system:
Standby (S1)
The system firmware does not support this standby state.
This standby state is disabled when S0 low power idle is
supported.
Standby (S2)
The system firmware does not support this standby state.
This standby state is disabled when S0 low power idle is
supported.
Standby (S3)
The system firmware does not support this standby state.
This standby state is disabled when S0 low power idle is
supported.
Hybrid Sleep
Standby (S3) is not available.

I hope this clarifies things, but I'm afraid it doesn't mean much to
me. Although, since the problem appears to be with Classic Start, I'll
dig deeper into that and see what I can find. Thanks for the help so
far. Let me know if any of you have more suggestions.
Can you get to the BIOS Setup screen ?

The things that are turned off, don't appear "normal". Sometimes
S3 gets turned off, by itself. But all three items shouldn't
be listed that way - it almost implies ACPI is broken, and we
know that isn't true, because you've still got a working
Hibernate (Hibernate is ACPI S4).

Maybe something at the OS level could break those, but that pattern
doesn't really look like a BIOS issue.

BIOS controls include one labeled as "Power Options" or similar.
You might see the word ACPI there. And choices of "S1" or "S1 & S3"
for supported system firmware states. The end result would be,
that S1 would always run. And yet your report shows S1 suspend is
disabled somehow.

The BIOS also includes things like EIST (Intel SpeedStep), as
well as some C-state controls. I don't think the C-state
stuff affects Sleep. Sleep is ACPI S3 state.

Paul

I tried a couple options (Del, F-2, F-10) with no luck. Will try
Duckduckgo to see if I can find a way in. Thanks


Here is what I found.
https://surfacetip.com/configuring-s...bios-settings/
None of the settings here that I can find say anything about changing
ACPI states. Closest I could find was "Secure Boot", but there really
wasn't anything there. I'm stumped!


That's OK.

This article says look for another graphics driver,
as if the graphics driver is the "blocker".

http://www.classicshell.net/forum/vi...php?f=7&t=7547

Windows has an "in-box" graphics driver that came from the
manufacturer, but some of those have had egregious bugs.
For example, I have a system here, where the OS driver only
makes "half" of the graphics card work. Downloading a driver
from the hardware manufacturer, makes the *whole* card work :-)

Of course, you have to figure out who made the graphics,
and which driver to use as a consequence. Particularly nasty
are Optimus graphics, an Intel GPU for low power states,
an NVidia GPU for gaming, and the driver switches between
them as required. I hope it's not one of those (I don't
own one, so have no hand-on experience with it).

You can start by checking the Support web page for your
product, and seeing what graphics drivers are offered. In
some cases, on sufficiently custom equipment, those are
the only drivers you can get. Sometimes the formulation
of the driver, tells you who made it, and maybe you can then
figure out an alternate sources.

If you know of a web forum where disgruntled owners meet,
you might get some info on graphics drivers there. As in
"what is the best driver".

I've successfully used information in the past like that,
a couple of times. Some people chatted up a certain WHQL
certified driver for my hardware, and they were right. The
driver worked, didn't crash, and generally left me happy.

On average, when you do your own computer maintenance, you
will test around three video drivers, until happy.

One ATI card I bought, the driver in the box, on the CD,
caused an immediate crash. When that happens, you know you're
going to use up your "average of three test drivers"
pretty fast :-)

Paul
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