On Wed, 09 Jan 2019 21:43:59 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
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On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 22:12:22 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Tue, 08 Jan 2019 19:51:15 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
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On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 14:57:31 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 01:55:16 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Sat, 05 Jan 2019 00:02:34 -0000, Ken Blake wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 23:45:14 -0000, "Commander Kinsey"
wrote:

On Fri, 04 Jan 2019 21:00:01 -0000, notX wrote:

On 1/4/19 10:45 AM, Keith Nuttle wrote:
On 1/4/2019 10:30 AM, wrote:
I'm staying happily with 7 .

I occasionally ask for one good reason to go to 10 and nobody has
given one. Lots of good reasons NOT to go to 10 !

Name one good reason for staying with W-7 which is obsolete!

It's not Win 8 or Win 10.

Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone. Edge is still here and it still sux. Currently it tells me I have no internet connection, yet every other browser works. WTF? And as per usual with modern fluffy programs that act like a ****ing Apple Mac, all I get is a silly cartoon with a confused looking alien saying no internet. What about some ****ing technical information so I can fix the problem?!?

It is *not* now called Edge. Internet Explorer and Edge are two
different browsers, and *both* of them come with Windows 10.

So you get the old and the new version, so what, it doesn't change what I just said.


Say something wrong, get corrected, and say "it doesn't change what I
just said." That's a great way to lose the respect of everyone here.

And it's not "the old and the new version." They are two *different*
browsers.

No, they changed the name.


There are certainly similarities, but there are significant
differences, too. As far as I'm concerned, it's much more than
changing the name.


Just like Windows Live Mail and Outlook Express.


No, to me it's not at all like that. With Outlook Express and Windows
Live Mail, one replaced the other, and Windows Live Mail is almost
like a newer version of Outlook Express. With Edge and IE, one is not
a replacement for the other (at least not yet). They continue to live
simultaneously and their differences are much greater than those
between Outlook Express and Windows Live Mail.



Of course they'll be a bit different, but so are two versions of IE.


Yes, there are similarities between Edge and IE 11, but the
differences are much greater than between two versions of IE. In my
opinion IE 11 isn't great, but it's much better than Edge.

All this is philosophical and irrelevant.

They're both the same **** made my Microsoft.



I wouldn't say it like that, but as I said (quoted below) I agree,


It's some legal bull**** because they weren't allowed to have edge as the default browser or something.


Again, not correct. Despite their both coming with Windows 10, Edge
*is* the default browser.

No it isn't. I've always had Internet Explorer given to me as the default, which then immediately asks me if I'd like to try out Edge. I assumed that was more legal bull****.


You are wrong. Unless you configure Windows 10 differently, Edge *is*
the default browser.

I know what I saw on several machines both with fresh Windows 10 installs and upgrades from 7 and 8. The first time you try to open a browser in any way whatsoever, you get IE. Which opens a page saying "try out this great new Edge!"

Since Edge is the default, there are a very number of Windows 10 users
(maybe most of them, including you) who don't even realize that IE
comes with Windows 10.

But it isn't the default. Not on the Windows 10 I used. It may of course be possible that we're both right, depending on which version of Windows 10 we installed. They might have changed their policy on it, or they might have been forced to do so by law. Quite why the law interferes with something as trivial as browsers is beyond comprehension. I'll place my bet on the EU having something to do with it - after all they made those unbelievably stupidly annoying banners asking for permission to use cookies. The banners which are 10 times as annoying as the cookies they're "warning" you about.

I'm not a fan of Internet Explorer, but as far as I'm concerned, it's
much better than Edge, which to me is about the worst browser
available.

They both suck.



Yes, I agree.


They're both full of security holes.


Not in my experience.

Like Outlook Express, they love to run code they shouldn't.

They both stop working for no reason.


Not in my experience, although admittedly I've used both so seldom
that I can't be sure. However my wife uses Edge (don't ask me why; I
have idea) and as far as I know, has *never* experienced that.

I just tried Edge on a site that Opera was upset with (Eurocarparts - the menu at the bottom of the screen covers the part I'm trying to buy). Edge claimed I have no internet connection, yet everything else works fine!!


That's *your* experience. I've never encountered that, and none of the
many other Edge users I know and support have either.

I've experienced many similar things with Microsoft software just not working, quite often getting confused with internet connections. It was a lot worse in earlier versions of Windows.

And by the way, since you didn't know that Internet Explorer 11 came
with Windows 10, you never ran it. And since you never ran it, your
three "both" statements above are nonsense. You couldn't know that if
you hadn't run it.

Who said I didn't run it?

*You* said it. Here's a quote from an earlier message in this thread:


Just like DOS, Internet explorer, Lotus, dBase, and other software that
has come and gone in the last 40 years

Internet Explorer "come and gone". I like that.

Just because it's now called Edge doesn't mean it's gone.


That last sentence was by you. If you thought Internet Explorer was
now called Edge, you obviously didn't know that Internet Explorer was
a separate program from Edge, didn't know it came with Windows 10, and
you had never run it.

What utter bull**** you talk. I have told you countless times that when I installed Windows 10 I was given IE, which offered the installation of Edge (I actually had to download it!!!)

I had to, so it would give me Edge.

You had to run IE so you could download Edge? Your ignorance is
showing blatantly again. Edge comes with Windows 10, as I've said here
several times.

Except it didn't on my Windows 10. Instead of childishly calling me blatantly ignorant, try thinking. Perhaps Windows 10 comes in more than one version. Oh wait, we both know it does. There's Home, Pro, etc, etc, then they keep altering it with each service pack and update.


Believe what you want. I'm not going to continue to argue with you and
repeat myself.