I am simply letting you know that I am not just some guy off the street that
downloaded SP2 and thinks I'm a beta tester. I'm an actual beta tester. And
I signed no NDA. Where's this "evidence" you speak of? You've quoted nothing
that states I am not allowed to discuss SP2 builds.

Your comments are duly noted. But you're not a moderator so don't tell me
what I can and cannot talk about and the MVP's can stop making blanket
statements that imply that you control or moderate the groups.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.

It's not an insult, it's how I see your contribution (or lackthereof) to the
group. If you've nothing left to contribute to the thread, then stop
posting.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
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Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only $19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
Then clearly you need to review the copies of the screens you agreed
when you first started as a Beta tester for SP 2.
This is not the EULA you seem to bring up often.
There was an agreement you agreed you seem to have completely
forgotten.
You are still bound by it.
The EULA may not fully apply to Beta testers.
You are rapidly setting yourself for a violation of your agreements.

You seem not to trust anyone here in spite of the overwhelming
evidence what they say is true.
You bring up irrelevant points such as Lonestar and SDK long after you
originally brought them up.
You have a hard time distinguishing between a Beta and the Technical
Preview, major mistake on your part.

I also fail to see why "lunch with the Tablet PC developers." has any
connection or relevance or connection to being a Beta tester.
I know many that claim much more than you and are not beta testers.
Many of the MVPs here can make similar claims and more but they now
such bragging is not relevant.

"How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful."
An insult to others sincerely attempting to help you.
We seem to be unhelpful to you regardless the facts, as long as it is
not what you want to hear we are "not very helpful".
You need to seek the facts.

To protect yourself legally and otherwise you need to get in touch
with your Beta contact to ensure you have a clear understanding of
your responsibilities.

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
I'm on the beta "Jupiter". beta.microsoft.com. I was one of the
earliest
beta testers. You think I'm "out of the loop" or that I think I'm a
cool
beta tester because I downloaded a publicly available service pack
when in
fact I've been testing Lonestar and the SDK since it was first
available.
I've had lunch with the Tablet PC developers. So I very much
consider myself
a beta tester.

You seem to be missing my point. There is no NDA. It's a EULA. I
didn't sign
anything. I clicked an "agree" button. And the terms that I agreed
to don't
prohibit me from talking about it in this group so long as I am not
publicly
divulging previously undisclosed features -- of which there are
none.

How did you guys become MVP's anyway? You're not very helpful.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies
--------------------------------------------------------
Add ink input to Outlook with Tablet Enhancements for Outlook! Only
$19.99!
http://www.einsteinware.com

"Jupiter Jones [MVP]" wrote in message
...
Josh;
"I have been on the beta, technical preview whatever you want to
call
it"
Which is it?
They are two different programs with two different purposes.
If you have no NDA, you are not part of the Beta.
The Technical Preview currently has offered RC 1 & RC 2 of SP 2.
That does not make you a Beta tester.
You and your organization may consider you a Beta tester but that
would be strictly internal to you.
To use the two different terms here as if they are synonymous when
they are not does nothing but add to the confusion.
Since you seem to lack the knowledge of the difference it seems
you
are on the Technical Preview as all Beta testers would clearly
know
and distinguish the difference.

To clarify, exactly how did you become involved with the
Beta/Technical Preview and to what extent?

--
Jupiter Jones [MVP]
http://www3.telus.net/dandemar/


"Josh Einstein" wrote in message
...
1) I said Lonestar, not Longhorn. Lonestar was being actively
discussed
including the new TIP, new SDK, etc in these newsgroups for
months.

2) Don't confuse a EULA with a NDA. They are two different things
entirely.
NDA's are legally binding, EULAs are not. The worst that can
happen
with a
EULA is your software license is terminated.

3) The provision in the EULA for non-disclosure is about new
features. Since
SP2 was feature complete by the first RC, we are all at liberty
to
talk
about any version.

4) I never said I was not in the beta newsgroups. I simply said
I'm
not
prohibited from talking about it on here. I have been on the
beta,
technical
preview whatever you want to call it since it was first available
to
those
outside Microsoft. I am not talking about the public beta.

--
Josh Einstein
Einstein Technologies