Java Jive news Thu, 04 Jan 2018 11:30:25 GMT in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On 04/01/2018 03:03, Diesel wrote:
Java Jive
news in alt.windows7.general, wrote:

So I repeat, cut the bull**** and stick to the facts.

I didn't provide any.

About 90% of your previous post was bull**** that I had to snip.

Incorrect. It was all information you knew nothing about, and,
instead of fact checking any of it, you incorrectly assumed I was
trying to bull**** you. I gain nothing by doing so as I'm under peer
review with each post I write because of some foolish things I did a
long time ago.

As in, some individuals still don't trust me despite my being retired
from a certain field in IT..So, in order to preserve and gain trust
with them and others, it would be foolish of me to post anything I
knew to be bull****. Not only would I be called out on it by them,
they'd use it as an excuse to justify their misconcieved notions that
I'm still the blackhat I once was.

You can fact check every single thing I've written to you about
windows XP and myself for that matter, I have no trouble giving you
my real name for the purpose of fact finding if you wish to do so.
You need only ask. I'll make no effort to hide any aspect of my past
from you. Again, it wouldn't do me a damn bit of good to try, I'm not
unknown in tech circles; I'm well known as a matter of fact, but, not
all of it for a good reason. And, *NONE* of it for being a bull****
artist. I just happened to have wrote some code I shouldn't have
sometime ago.

You obviously know nothing about that, but, if you want to know, just
ask me. I'll tell you, candidly so. I'm not your average repair by
replacing parts or repair by reloading windows because I can't figure
out the problem kind of tech. I never have been a half asser and I
never will be.

Who said anything about using Windows update to get the
updates?

I said that "the rebuilt installation will not get any updates,
not even the ones originally targeting XP" and that remains
true.

Except that it isn't true.

A new XP build will not receive updates except by Administrator
intervention to install & launch some seperate tool not included
in a standard XP build. That's the meaning of what I wrote, as
quoted above, and it's true.

I was going by what you wrote, above, specifically. Not some
imaginary implied meaning. Fact is, you were in error when you wrote
the comment and you tried to dismiss my advice of a reload to XP Pro
VLK edition because of your lack of knowledge concerning the fact
Windows updates can still be applied to that fresh installation.

Further, you've shown that you don't even know what a VLK
installation is, despite! claiming to be a tech from the corporate
world where VLK editions were most likely used! Unless the
corporation you babysat computers for with a reloadable image at the
ready for problems you couldn't properly diagnose was a very small
one and didn't way to pay for the additional expense of VLK.

What you wrote above was based on the fact that you incorrectly
assumed you had to use Windows Update from within the host OS to
get updates.

It's based upon the fact that by default, that is unless you
choose to specifically disable automatic updates, Windows XP
installed before end-of-support would automatically update itself
without requiring any human intervention other than logging on,

You're wrong concerning how XP works again concerning updates. It
didn't require you to login to be able to pull updates, either. It
simply needed to be up and running. Automatic updates ran by default
as a system, not user account, service. As such, no login by you was
required for it to check for updates and begin downloading them if
that's what you configured it to do.

If you configured the machine to automatically apply downloaded
updates, you didn't need to be logged in to give permission for a
reboot either. If you weren't logged in, it would reboot and apply
them as needed on it's own; pending no service level applications
were in a non idle state. You wouldn't want it automatically
rebooting without your approval if it was providing server
functionality, of course. But, you could have overridden that too.

The only time you had to agree to a reboot if you didn't configure it
otherwise was if you were logged in; because it assumed you might be
doing something, and it was best to ask for your permission first.

That was for your convenience mostly, not hard coded for the OS.

[snip more self-opinionated irrelevant bull****]

You have a hard time being wrong eh? It's okay. I deal with people
like you often enough. Your kind isn't in short supply.

I didn't provide any bull****. What I wrote concerning the isos
and what you can do with them isn't uncommon knowledge to techs I
know.

It's irrelevant to the discussion, because:

No, it's not. You dismissed it previously as some kind of bull****.
The fact you didn't know that four binary files on a disc determine
what the disc is and which types of keys it's going to accept for
installation isn't my problem. That's your own ignorance. Granted, MS
didn't exactly publish those details far and wide and you had to be
curious enough to check discs for differences to find them, unless
someone went ahead (like myself) and told you about it, you wouldn't
have known.

:-( It doesn't illuminate either the OP's problem as
riginal stated

I agree. It doesn't help the OP in any way. I provided the
information for others benefit who might still have use for XP.

when I replied (he's since added more info that makes my reply,
along with many others, considerably less relevant anyway).

Indeed. So far, I was the only one who directly provided simple
instructions (with more details infact) to bring up the activation
window so they could give it a shot. Which is what they originally
wanted to know how to do in the first place. Not only did I provide
them exactly what they wanted in very easy to follow instructions, I
provided them other options in the event none of them worked and the
rep wouldn't re-activate the key they were using.

You attacked some of the advice I offered by claiming if they
followed my advice, specifically, dumping the copy of XP they have
which is crippled in my opinion because it requires activation in the
first place by incorrectly suggesting if they followed going to VLK,
they couldn't get updates. Which, wasn't accurate on your part. They
can. I'm even willing to send the iso they'll need for the process.
Along with the vlk sp3 iso, and a valid key for installation.

Why take chances on ebay for something that may/may not work and
won't put them in a much better position anyway? Btw, they can opt to
change the key using the same instructions I originally provided if
they did decide to go your route, without having to reinstall; but
they are still taking the risk that the key they provide it won't be
accepted any more so than the one they already have. msoobe /a
doesn't just provide 'activation' options, and, if you'd been the
tech you claim to be, you'd have known that too. It also lets you
change the product key the system is using for
installation/activation and license verification purposes.

What you wrote concerning XP isn't of any real use to the OP.

:-( As demonstrated by my test, this claim is incorrect.

Your test? What good are the results of your test? You aren't using
the same key they are. Your test isn't going to magically cause their
copy to become activated. And short of providing YOUR known working
key and instructions to enter it into the OS without doing a
reinstall (which would negate your prior suggestion not to do so
because they'd lose the updates you incorrectly assumed they couldn't
get back) they gain nothing.

And how is your test of any use to the OP? You didn't use their key
and try to activate it. You brought a machine back online that's been
down awhile and confirmed the activation was holding; why you thought
it wouldn't boggles my mind. Your test was only necessary for you
because you didn't know any better. That's why you opted for your
test, and, it's a useless test for the OP. It doesn't help them in
any way, other than to confirm the key you used hasn't expired; but
again, since the keys don't have an expiration date keyed into them,
your test wasn't worth performing. Well, except for you because you
didn't know any better. But, for the OP, it's useless.

:My advice
would most probably have worked for him, probably at minimal
expense, and all your irrelevant bull**** since trying to pull
rank rather than actually solve his problem, doesn't alter that
fundamental fact.

Your advice would have cost him money with 50/50 on a good day chance
of working. Your advice is against the licensing terms and involves
piracy. (As does mine with the VLK suggestion) You neglected to
provide any instructions concerning how to bring up the activation
window, or give the OP the opportunity to change the key without
reloading windows. Where as, not only did I provide them the
instructions to bring up the activation window, another option exists
on the same page; change product key. Without reinstalling Windows.

You provided none of that detail. With the details I provided, the OP
can try to activate his/her copy of Windows (again) using the key
they have. Not only did I provide exactly what they needed to know to
bring those options up so they could make use of them, I provided
more information concerning other options should that all fail to
work as intended for them, and, none of it would cost them money or
force them to do business with people selling scrap keys on ebay. So
no risk of him losing money by getting ripped off, either.

And, I didn't pull any rank on you. You started with me by
erroneously thinking and suggesting that my advice to load VLK
edition and be done with the activation nonsense was a bad idea
because you were not aware that they could still get the required
updates. You incorrectly assumed that updates had to be downloaded
and applied by the system requesting them, and since Windows XP can't
request them anymore, you thought he'd be dead in the water. Your
advice was unsound and you had no reason to attack me for mine
because you didn't have all the facts concerning options with regard
to Windows Update.

You know nothing of slic, vlk, and by your own admission, knew
nothing about wsus or how it can be used. You know nothing about slic
because you dismissed my explanation for how it works as bull****
when it's not. It *IS* tied to the vendor ID string in the system
bios and is NOT the same key as is printed on the OEM sticker present
on the machine. They are not preloaded from factory with that key,
that key is provided for you if you for some reason, use a real OEM
copy of windows later on, instead of the preloaded version provided
to you; which is SLIC enabled. Not only does it not require
activation, if you take the cds that ship with the machine to another
one with a matching vendor ID string in the system bios, you will NOT
be asked for a product key during installation AND you won't have to
activate the machine once Windows is loaded, either. SLIC handles
that for you!

You didn't even know that you could change a true oem to a slic
dell/hp/vendor of your choice by swapping out four files! And vice
versa.

If anyone tried to pull rank or otherwise get cheeky with another, it
was you. You incorrectly assumed that your obvious limited tech
experience trumps that of mine, when, clearly, it doesn't even come
close.

Have a nice day!


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