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Old November 9th 18, 02:44 AM posted to alt.windows7.general
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Emrys Davies wrote:

No, I have never knowingly used Java


Uninstall Java until if and when you encounter a site that demands it
whereupon you can decide whether to kowtow to that site's requirement.

Nowadays the only place where Java via web browser is needed is within
corporate environments where they use and deploy Java applets. However,
even then, you don't need the Java plug-in. Instead of use the Java app
manager/launcher (aka Java Web Start) that manages downloading of Java
apps, version changes in the applets, and runs the applet using the
local Java interpreter (not a browser plug-in). The local Java manager
communicates with an applet server to check version, authentication,
incremental updates, and local execution. With the plug-in, Java
applets got passed out of the web browser to the Java interpreter. A
plug-in is not needed since the web browser can still pass an applet to
an external handler (the Java interpreter) by using a protocol
specifier.

Eventually Oracle is dropping their Java Web Start client-side
manager/launcher. I don't know if they are replacing it with something
else or if this is Oracle recognizing that Java is a dying programming
language (and why I equated Java with a newer kin to COBOL with both
lasting long after getting supplanted with later technologies).
Microsoft tried to compete with Sun by adding their own MSJava
interpreter but that quickly failed. Microsoft decided to get into
webapps but did so very late with their Silverlight which never caught
on and died sooner than did Java. It's like Microsoft's XPS document
format and printer driver in Windows that was their attempt to supplant
Adobe's PDF, and which was another Microsoft failure. The wanted into a
market, got into it very late, the market died, and Microsoft had to
shake the poop off their shoes. Although Microsoft published XPS to be
an open document standard, no one else adopted it because no one used it
(yes, there were a few but who cares about a few firecrackers going off
next to an atomic blast). It appears Oracle has now realized that Java
will die, too.

Oracle is more of a software publisher than a software developer. They
will contact programming services to update or modify their software
(often acquired from elsewhere) only when needed. Customers lament the
poor support from Oracle. We had an enterprise application that was
better than a competitor's. Then Oracle acquired the competitor's
product and we literally had a celebration party knowing disgruntled
customers would migrate to us (which did happen) to become gruntled
customers with us due to far superior technical support along with a
better product at a cheaper price. The competitor getting acquired by
Oracle was good for our business. As another example, Sun declared that
Java would always be open source. Oracle made the same promise after
acquiring Sun but then sued Google due to use of Java in the Android
operating system.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oracle...v._Google,_Inc.

I was surprised Google didn't simply argue that while the Sun version of
Java was the de facto standard implementation that there were several
other authors of the Java programming language. I remember IBM having
their own flavor but was not privy to any licensing that may have
existed between IBM and Sun, if any, regarding Java, especially since at
the time Java was open source.

I haven't been involved with Java since sometime around 2001, so I'm not
interested in delving into how much long Java will survive or what might
replace or already has replaced their Java Web Start. Java Web Start
was really an enterprise solution to managing corporate Java apps. Now
it seems Oracle is advocating that developers produce stand-along Java
app; i.e., you download them yourself and then pass them onto the Java
interpreter.

https://www.oracle.com/technetwork/j...ol-135779.html

This seems to promote developers from stopping the creation of Java
applets to instead producing Java applications.

All the Java plug-in did was pass the Java applet to the JRE, anyway,
where the applet ran outside of the browser. Java Web Start was
available several years before the plug-in got deprecated and then made
impossible to use in web browsers that dropped the insecure plug-in
model.
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