On 10/01/2020 15:36, Snit wrote:
On 1/10/20 2:32 AM, David wrote:
On 10/01/2020 04:42, Snit wrote:
On 1/9/20 9:23 PM, nospam wrote:
In article , Snit
wrote:

oh, another thing, you could move or rename the active system folder,
even after booting from it.

Yup. And even now you can rename files and things like Open Recent
still
works just fine. I remember being told in COLA that such things were
impossible... and even when I showed a video of it I was told I
must be
forging it.

yep. it's quite amusing to change the name of an open file and watch
the title bar in the app change.

Right. Or to not have it be open and then go to the Open Recent
dialog. And more. Had a debate with "Nobody" over it so made this video:

https://youtu.be/ulPJmuxQX8s

And also with Owl:

https://youtu.be/vS9ORbixIt0

OK, a bit more contentious than perhaps it could have been, but it
was in response to his nonsense.

Oh, and where Owl tried to replicate this basic functioning on
Linux... it was kind funny:

http://youtu.be/W15g0TwA_E0



lemmings, a very popular and fun game from around 1985 or so, was one
of the various apps used to test compatibility.

these days, it can be played in a browser...

I still sometimes play Risk at one of these two sites:

http://jamesfriend.com.au/pce-js/pce-js-apps/
https://archive.org/details/mac_MacOS_7.0.1_compilation

i meant *just* lemmings in a browser, without macos or any other os.

here's a few that come up in a search:
https://www.hmilch.net/h/lemmings.html
https://www.elizium.nu/scripts/lemmings/
http://www.bombsite.org

Cool. Will have to play. I *think* the first place I saw Lemmings was
on the Amiga... but liked when it was on the GS. LemminGS. Ha!

Also used them to show my kids (12 and 14) how old computers worked.
They figured them out pretty easily, though the both were shocked you
had to hold the mouse down to keep menus visible,

that was expected back then.

someone from the past would be equally shocked that now the menu stays
down.

I remember a study called "Of Mice and Menus" where they looked at
the efficiency of different models.

and one was confused
by no back button in the Finder.

there shouldn't be a back button in the finder. it's supposed to be
spatial, not a glorified browser.

I can buy that... but they were still surprised.

Both also had some issues finding
programs, but once they got used to the idea of no dock they did
fairly
well.

they're wherever you put them, exactly how it should be.

They did not put them anywhere -- they used the online virtual
machine I pointed them to.

I'm impressed that you've managed to have a civil conversation with
'nospam'. Have you had previous interaction with him?

I have. If I recall correctly some civil and others not as much, but I
do not really keep track.

Thanks. It's not important; I just can't make my mind up about him.
Either his knowledge is outstanding or, as Diesel claims, 'nospam' is
simple very good at using Google!

I've quite enjoyed exploring at all the links! :-)

Looking at some of my videos it is clear I made them while in rather
contentious discussions.

Yes! ;-) It's better when you speak a little slower!

I find it amazing how many (though certainly not all) Linux "advocates"
find it hard to understand the possibility of there existing features on
other solutions that they do not have on Linux. On the Mac it is the
norm that you can rename and move files around a drive and the file will
still show up in "Recent Items" menus and the like (as shown in the
videos). This is a part of the nature of how files work with the file
system and any program can have this functionality basically for "free"
-- a developer just has to use the standard file hooks (or whatever...
again, I am not a programmer). There are SOME programs which do not do
this -- most notably Adobe programs (such as Photoshop, but also others)
and many text editors (BBEdit and the like, perhaps tied to programmers
referencing paths in programs... not sure). But the norm on the Mac is
for this to "just work".

When I discussed this with Linux folks in COLA they could not believe
it. It was "magic" to them. When I showed them videos they insisted they
must be forged... no OS could possibly do what macOS was doing!

I suspect many were surprised by your professionalism.

Then they got mad at me... which I find odd. There are things macOS does
not do as well as the competition... many things, really. It is not a
good gaming system, for example, and the Linux command line tends to be
a LOT more robust (at least "out of the box"). For years GNOME and its
derivatives had window "snapping" where it was easy to line up windows
and macOS did not (Apple *finally* added that). Hell, there was a time
you could not resize macOS windows from anywhere but the bottom right...
and even now they have menus only at the top, which made more sense when
we had smaller screens, and still offers SOME benefits, but also has
downsides. I like macOS but I do not get having one's ego tied to any
OS... they each have pros and cons. No harm in speaking of them and
understanding them. Or even in disagreeing in what is good or bad.

I, too, love my iMac! :-D

Truth be told, ANY device which provides access to the Internet is a joy
for me!

D.