On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 15:37:10 -0400, micky
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In alt.comp.os.windows-10, on Wed, 22 Aug 2018 12:06:40 -0700, Ken Blake
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On Wed, 22 Aug 2018 14:34:03 -0400, micky
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**I could go to Toyota but the only time I've had work done there, wheel
aligmment after I replaced the right half axle, they tried to cheat me.
They told me I needed new CV joints for both sides, even though the side
I'd done had only 15 miles on it, and the other side I jacked up the car
special and felt all over and it was like new. Plus they claimed I had
a large oil leak, even though 6 months later, I still needed less than a
1/4 quart. And other things they said I needed that I didn't.



You should not blame Toyota for your experience with a particular
Toyota dealer. They are not all necessarily the same, and even the
various departments at a single dealer are not necessarily the same.

True. I regret that I didn't go to them, before they were sold. Long
story why I didn't.


In the town in which I live, there are two Toyota dealers. A number of
years ago, I went to one of them to get a price on a new Camry. The
salesman I dealt with was fine, but when I asked him to give me his
best price, he said he couldn't, and had to get his manager. I said OK
and his manager, a sleazeball, came to the table where my wife and I
were sitting and said "I hear you want our best price." I said yes,
and he said "about x thousand" (I don't remember the exact number). I
said I asked for your best price, not some "about" amount. He said "I
gave you our best price."

What an absurd answer.

I said "no you didn't," and I walked out. I
went to the other Toyota dealer and bought a car from them. I've
bought a couple of other Toyotas from that second dealer since then,
but I never went back to that first dealer again.

But that first Toyota dealer is nearer our home than the one I bought
from, so I've often used them for service. They've been fine for that.

My mother had only bought one car, a '58 Ford with an Interceptor
engine, a demonstrator which she figured she got a good price on. I was
maybe 12 then.

When she needed another, she negotiated about details and got a price
and went home, called an hour later to say she'd take it, and wanted to
review the accessories included. Wheel covers. He said he never said
wheel covers. She said he did. No deal.

The next day she went to the other Chrysler dealer, much farther away,
found the same car with all the earlier accessories but a better color
and for slightly less money. Bought it on the spot.

(It was on the south side of town but when she took it in, she'd take
the bus downtown and go shopping until it was ready, in Indianapolis
which still has major department stores in the heart of town. And
certainly did in 1965.

The second dealer was the father of the first dealer. Jerry Alderman
comes to mind but that seems to be followed by Ford. Yes, he's still in
business, but neither Chrysler dealer is. 3 others new ones are.)


My favorite car dealer story is one I may have told here befo

My son, who was about 21 at the time, wanted to buy a new car. My wife
and I went with him to a Mitsubishi dealer. We went for a test drive,
he liked the car, and we then sat down with the salesman to negotiate.

I said "give us your best price." He said "No, that's not the way we
do it here. We don't give you a price; you make us an offer and we
either accept it or not."

I said, "no, that's not the way *we* do it. Either give us a price or
we're out of here." He said "sorry, that's not the way we do it."

I said "I'll give you one more chance to give us a price. If you don't
and we stand up, we won't sit down again."

He said "Sorry, we don't do that."

I sighed and said "OK." We got up and walked to the door. As I touched
the doorknob, I heard behind me "$16,500." We didn't turn around. As
we walked across the parking lot, I heard "16,000," then "15,500."
(Those numbers might be misremembered but the exact numbers aren't
really pertinent to the story). We ignored him.

Considering his attitude, It gave me great pleasure to walk out on
him. I guess he had never heard that the customer is always right.

We drove to another dealer where my son bought a car.