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Old June 22nd 18, 01:35 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Big Al[_5_]
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks ClassicShell

On 06/21/2018 09:37 PM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 09:32:46 -0400, Big Al wrote:

On 06/21/2018 09:27 AM, SilverSlimer wrote:
On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 07:49:06 -0400, Keith Nuttle
wrote:

On 6/21/2018 7:15 AM, Big Al wrote:
On 06/21/2018 04:52 AM, GlowingBlueMist wrote:
Once again Microsoft has found a way to break the Classic Shell
program that many people use as a replacement for Microsoft's much
hated "Start" button at least on my two W10 Pro Insider machines.


The Classic Shell program worked just fine with Windows 10 Insider
version 17686.1003.Â* Unfortunately I have just completed upgrading two
machines running in virtual space on VMWare's Workstation to
17692.1000. Â*Â*The Windows Insider versions of W10 were run on two
different AMD based computers with it making no difference.Â* On both
W10 Insider machines the Classic Shell program works just fine the
first time you try to use it but subsequent uses of the start button
act strange until after 3 attempts to use the "Start" button and it no
longer functions until you reboot the machine.


Perhaps someone else will take up the gauntlet and continue working
with the Classic Start menu program.

If not, all is not lost, there are at least 6 other programs that may
be able to take over the lead replacement start program.

Here is a link to an article by Ben Stegner discussing the subject
which also includes links to some of the possible replacements for
Classic Shell.

https://www.makeuseof.com/tag/window...u-alternative/


Unfortunately the author of the Classic Shell program has abandoned
the software and moved on to other things so unless someone else steps
in to adjust or fix that program it looks like Microsoft will finally
be able to stop people from using it.


Then again, who knows if the current problems Classic Shell has with
the latest Windows 10 Insider edition will continue to exist when they
actually release the next version or two to the public masses.

In windows 8.1 that menu was a real bummer till they at least allowed
you to boot to the desktop.Â* (I bought 8.0 on day one).Â*Â*Â* I found
start8 to be very good and I hear now there is a start10.Â*Â* I would vote
for that.

But I've now been using Win10's own start menu and find it isn't that
bad.Â* Sure it's nowhere near 7's but if you clean off the crap and
organize your stuff in nice groups and widen the menu so you can get
more icons, it's not bad, even usable.Â*Â* I mean how many programs does
the average non-power user use?
I find I can access items in the native Windows 10 start, much faster
that I ever could in Older version of Windows start menus.

One of the best things about Windows 10 Start is the absence of the old
collapsing folder system. That was one of the hardest thing ever
developed by Microsoft. For deep folders I always took two or more
tries to get where I wanted to go.

I honestly have to wonder why so many people are so attached to
Windows 7 over 10. The start menu, as you say, is much better in 10
than it ever was and in terms of performance, there is little to no
difference between 7 and 10. The new anti-malware system is also quite
stellar, what with the controlled folders in particular. People need
to let go of the past and embrace the future.

I think the process of change is the issue. People in general, even me,
don't like change. I saw some previews of Win10 before it's release.
Buggy but still usable and I thought it was hell on wheels. I told
every one of my friends that they and I should never use it. Now I'm
quite satisfied that it works and have learned to use it with ease. Of
course there's the disclaimer he "I use linux for everyday use and
turn win 10 on about 3 hours a month."


What do you need Windows for, exactly?

Since Linux is able to read NTFS okay, it's not 100% foolproof IMHO.
1) When I do large re-arrangements of data on my 2nd HD, 1TB, I do it in
windows.
2) Also I run a robocopy script to mirror that 1TB to another 1TB for
backup.
3) Turbo Tax around Feb/Mar.
4) I still prefer Acronis Backup and I do it live rather than CD only
since it makes sequential labeled files and cleans up extras if run live.
5) Quicken.
6) I like following along with some articles on Windows 10 while in
Windows 10.

I could just put all this in my VM of Windows 10 Insider and that would
be it. But I'm not sure how sharing a drive in VM works since
basically it's mounted in Linux as /media/alan/DRIVE and then WIndows
reads it a D:\ through the VM. Seems like I'm still at the final end
still using Linux NTFS routines to write that data to the drive?

I could run acronis from my USB and that would take care of that. But
there is little reason not to just keep 10 around for the "what the heck".

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