On Tue, 29 Jan 2019 09:05:51 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 17:22:20 -0000, Chris wrote:

Commander Kinsey wrote:
On Sun, 27 Jan 2019 12:32:19 -0000, Chris wrote:

That's why we have medical terms for them: hypothermia and fever.

They're exaggerated. Better terms would be "a bit chilly" or "slightly warm".

Medicine doesn't exaggerate.

Of course it does. It's part of the modern namby pamby health and softy
****e. Wear a seatbelt, keep warm, disinfect everything, watch the
sellby dates, it's pathetic.

And it's why life expectancy is so high.

The side-effect of seatbelts is that we have a shortage of organ donors
from healthy young men wrapping themselves around trees.

Seat belts only save yourself, nobody has the right to tell you to save yourself.

Myself, I prefer just to drive more carefully. I've never needed the assistance of a seatbelt.

If you lived in any other century (other than 20th) you'd already be dead.

No medicine has ever saved my life.

********! The very fact that you're alive is a success. It doesn't have to
have directly affected you: medicine will have kept your mother healthy
during pregnancy and avoided her or you dying during birth or shortly
after.

Pregnancy is a natural phenomenon, we don't need science for it to work.

Look at maternal death rates during childbirth in the 17th/18th centuries.
Humans have a barely positive birthrate without medicine. It is much lower
than in other mammals.

You do talk ****e. Animals have always reproduced without science.

You will have been vaccinated and even if you hadn't your peers would have
been imparting heard immunity which you benefited from directly.

Vaccines kill people, which is why many parents refuse to let heir kids get them.

Vaccines are amongst the safest treatments you can take - hence why we them
to babies and small children - and have saved millions of lives.

Those parents are actively harming their own kids and, worse, others' too.

Bull****. Vaccines are "dead" forms of the actual virus. I'm not letting that **** near me. We have our own immune systems, why reinvent the wheel?

Good hygiene and sanitation of homes, and the reduction of disease in
animals.

"Hygiene" kills off bacteria which we're supposed to encounter. What's
happening is nobody has a decent immune system anymore.

We encounter plenty of bacteria daily. Hygiene just means we don't get sick
all the time. Especially the young and old.

If we encounter plenty bacteria daily, why do you want to kill it?

All the above are examples of where science has contributed to you still
being alive and healthy well into adulthood. Nowadays people are so
accustomed to modern medicine that they don't realise how intrinsic to
their day to day well-being it is.

The anti-vaxxers are finding out, sadly...

In those days,large proportions of people died by the age of 5, simple
illness by today's standards were fatal or were crippling and luge
expectancy was in the 40s. Common diseases like tetanus, TB, small pox,
polio, whooping cough, etc are things of the past (in the UK). Organ
transplants, keyhole surgery, chemotherapy, and other ground breaking drugs
are phenomenal success stories in human health.

No, they're ****ing us up. Because we now rely on medicine for
everything, we're losing our natural immune systems. Plus survival of
the fittest has gone out of the window, people who are made badly and
should be removed from the gene pool are now reproducing and making more useless people.

That's a very unpleasant viewpoint.

But it works. It's called evolution.

No it's called natural selection. Evolution occurs on much longer
timescales and humans are doing very well thank you very much. Including
the "badly made ones".

Evolution is a synonym of natural selection.

If we prevent it from happening, we'll all end up completely useless and
reliant on medicine. And half the population will be sapping money from
the rest on invalidity benefits.

A doubling of the average life expectancy in 170 years is as close to a
miracle as is possible with science.
https://www.ons.gov.uk/peoplepopulat...ime/2015-09-09

It's ****. We should be able to live forever by now, I'm not impressed.

Hahahahahahaha! If we didn't die of old age the planet would be overrun and
we'd die of starvation instead.

You're such a ****ing idiot.

I'm not the one claiming we should be immortal.

What's wrong with immortality? Why keep throwing away lives and making new ones?

Every other part of science has come about 10 times further.

Every other science is a piece of **** compared to biology.

Yeah right, look at current CPU design. 10nm dies. 6 trillion
calculations per second on something the size of your fingernail.

Very impressive and very cool.

Yet we can't do the same in biology?

Yet we can't work out how the human body operates. The problem is not
many people research biology, there isn't money it.

You really have no idea. In the current funding round from the government
until 2020, biology is getting £3.7bn compared to the physical sciences
getting £3.1bn. The Wellcome Trust charity funds primarily biology through
human health research and gives out £900m per year. Other charities like
the British Heart Foundation, Cancer Research UK and many others also fund
biological research to the tune of millions every year. And that's just the
uk. It's the same story across the EU, US and other countries.

Then more money should be going to biology.

Biology is complex primarily because it combines physics and chemistry
within an interconnected ecosystem that generates 2nd and 3rd order
emergent properties which are borderline chaotic and often unpredictable.
It's called "life".

If you poke a tiger with a stick, physics tells you it'll push back on
stick with the same force as you provide. We have very nice equations to
describe it mathematically. Biology tells you it'll probably bite your head
off. There's no equation for that. Both are very real phenomena.

Not being able to understand how your own body works is rather pathetic.

If we ditched government funded stuff like the NHS in the UK, people
would have to pay to get repaired, and companies would start investing in research.

That would guarantee that more people die because they can't access the
healthcare they need. See the broken US system.

It's not broken. The useless poor people die off, the rich successful folk get fixed.