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Old June 24th 18, 09:42 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
Arlen Holder
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Default Windows 10 Pro Insider Preview version 17692.1000 Breaks Classic Shell

On 24 Jun 2018 19:23:18 GMT, Stefan Ram wrote:
[i]
Notice there is absolutely no meaningful difference between the setup and
operation of the native Windows 10 cascade menu from the native Windows XP
cascade menu.


How do you open and navigate the native Windows 10 cascade menu
with the keyboard? With classic Windows, I can press:

[Win] [E] [P]

to open the menu, go to the folder "editor", the folder "pic"
and start "IrfanView".


That's a great question where the answer is that you both navigate and open
(and modify) a Windows 10 Cascade Menu using *just your mouse* the same way
you did it on Windows XP. (It's exactly the same menu.)
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_win10cascademenu01.jpg

I'm not sure about keyboard navigation only because I don't do *any*
keyboard navigation (I prefer mouse clicks for most things except control+x
and control+v and print-screen, etc.).

Also, you may likely use the "Programs" hierarchy, where, oh my God, you do
not want to hear what I have to say why one should *never* use anything
that Microsoft provides without making your own hierarchy *next* to that
"Programs" hierarchy, that only you maintain and control. (KEY POINT!)

However, since the WinXP Cascade Menu is simply a folder in a certain
location, just as the Win10 Cascade Menu is simply a folder in a certain
location, I would think appropriate key clicks, if that's what you want,
can be googled for and set but I don't do the keyclick stuff so I'd have to
look up how to reproduce the same keyboard shortcuts if you're dead set on
using only the keyboard and not the mouse in order to navigate, and edit
the Cascade Menu.

NOTE: I'm on record for decades having *never* ever ever ever NEVER NEVER
NEVER NEVER used the default "Programs" menu in *any* Microsoft-based
operating system (after learning my lesson trying to keep pollution out of
the default menus supplied by Microsoft). So if *that* is the exact menu
you want to access, we'll have huge philosophical hurdles to overcome,
since that menu is so filled with pollution that it's not worth salvaging
in any case. You'll note that even on WinXP, I never fall into the trap of
using the "Programs" menu, where we can discuss the valid reasons later.

Given that in both Windows XP and in Windows 10, my Cascade Menu is named
"menu", and it's next to the horridly polluted "Programs" menu (but never
ever inside it!!!!!)...

The location of my Win10 Cascade Menu is simply this folder tree:
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\menu\
Where, the example below shows a Cascade Menu link located at:
C:\ProgramData\Microsoft\Windows\Start Menu\menu\editor\pic\IrfanView.lnk

A. Let's look at *mouse* navigation, first:
Just as in WinXP, you hit the menu icon (like you see in the picture):
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_my_win10_cascade_menu.jpg
Note that they're both called "menu" in both WinXP & in Win10.

You just left click on "menu", and then, say, on "editor" and then say, on
"pic" and then say on "irfanview" to start up IrfanView.

The *mouse* action of navigation is *exactly* the same on both WinXP as on
Win10 (it's the *same* folder tree - so nothing is different).
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_my_win10_cascade_menu.jpg

B. Let's look at *mouse* editing, next:
Just as in WinXP, you right click when you get to any given folder in the
cascade menu hierarchy and hit "Open". That puts you, whether you're on
WinXP or if you're on Win10, right in that menu folder hierarchy. You edit
the menu at that point *exactly* the same in Windows XP as in Windows 10.
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_win10cascademenu01.jpg

I don't see any difference with *mouse* navigation, and editing.
Do you?

As to your question about keyboard shortcuts, I don't do keyboard shortcuts
on WinXP nor on Win10, but why would they be any different on Windows XP
than Windows 10 for a custom menu named "menu" which is NOT in the
"Programs" menu (by design) but right next to it on the hard drive?
http://img4.imagetitan.com/img.php?image=18_win10cascademenu01.jpg
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