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Old September 21st 18, 02:37 PM posted to alt.comp.os.windows-10
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In article , Eric Stevens
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some might *think* they can hear a difference, but they can't.

objective double-blind tests consistently show that people do no better
than chance. in other words, they're guessing.

You have used that argument several times, applied to different
aspects of audio. I bet you can't cite an example relating to DACs on
high level equipment.

numerous times, because it's true. people *think* they can hear a
difference, but when put to the test, they can't. they do no better
than chance.

The example you originally quoted was in a different context
altogether.


nope


It was. CD vs vinyl. Nothing to do with DAC A vs DAC B.


it doesn't matter what it is. an objective-double blind test will show
whether there's a difference or not.

it also applies to more than just audio.

there was a double-blind test with wine, where expert wine tasters
couldn't identify the cheap wines from the expensive ones, including
when one of the 'red wines' was white wine + food colouring.

If we accept your argument then double-blind tests are a waste of time
under any circumstances we are discussing with you.


nonsense. objective double-blind tests are never a waste of time,
except for those who have something to hide.


Then what is the point of your reference to wine?


that people *think* they can tell a difference for all sorts of things,
but when put to the test, the fail, big time. it doesn't matter whether
it's wine, audio, cameras, and more.

if one product really is better than another product, an objective
double-bind test will show it. it's exactly what someone pushing a
'better product' would want.

In fact, and for example, practically nobody could fail to detect the
difference between my PC speakers and the Arcam DAC feeding the Quad
amplifier and Z4 speakers with their ribbon tweeters.


some will and some won't. others won't care. so what?

The difference
between the two DACs is not as great but it is quite audible.


then something is wrong with at least one of them.


ADC is easy. But DACs are hard. Just ask the experts.


the experts will say both are easy or hard, depending on numerous
factors.
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