On 2/14/2013 11:53 AM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600]:
On 2/13/2013 10:15 PM, Justin wrote:
Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.

I too came from starting with Windows 3.1. Although I have been using
GUI OS about 7 years before Windows 3.1. Although saying there is
nothing obvious about what to do under Windows 8... well I have seen
this coming for awhile now and Microsoft has been preparing us for many
years.

Haven't you noticed what happened to Windows Media Player v11? Heck it

No, never used media player for anything.

It is one hell of a player. I have done many experiments with many
players and testing them on limited machines like netbooks, Celeron
CPUs, Atom, etc. And nothing can keep playing flawlessly better than
WMP. I personally think Microsoft uses secret APIs that makes this happen.

Then they changed other things like Office and IE interfaces. A new

Never used IE for anything but downloading a better browser

I don't normally use IE much, but I do use the engine IE uses under
Maxthon v3. Although Maxthon v3 can also use Webkit (same engine that
Chrome uses). So you have the best of both worlds with one browser.

slick and clean looking interfaces we now call the ribbon interface.
Those are not obvious either to use. So Windows 8 isn't really much
different than what is what has been happening all along.

The ribbon did indeed make it hard to figure out how to just print.

However, there were things to do, and places to "play around" to find things.

With Windows 8 you have to know to press a specific key, or that the corners
and edges are "hot". My initial install of the windows 8 beta was in
an VirtualBox device. One I hit the desktop it was less than obvious how to
just launch notepad. The edges and corners may have been "hot", but since
the mouse wasn't restricted to the edges of the Win8 screen I never hit them.

Well I am not a big fan of virtual machines whatsoever. I really don't
see the point of them at all. But I am sitting here with over 30+
machines, so it really makes no sense to me at all. And anything that
makes performance worse than before can't be good.

Having said that, if you do want to use a virtual machine for some
reason. I don't think you should unless you know how it works outside of
the virtual machine environment first. Because VM are not 100% perfect.
And you don't know if you are fighting a problem with the VM or the OS
itself.

And if you think Windows is tough, there are plenty of Linux interfaces
that are much harder. ;-)

Just give me the CLI

Ah yes... I used CLI from the mid 70's to the mid 80's because there was
no GUI OS that I had access to. And the early GUI OS were no match to
what you can do with the CLI anyway.

But that was decades ago and lots of things has changed. Now I am so
disappointed if the GUI still can't do what you can through the CLI. And
Linux GUI is the worse of the GUI interfaces in this regard. Not a lot
you can do with Linux if you want to avoid the CLI (aka terminal).

Heck Android is said to be using a Linux kernel and I bought one Android
machine to see what I am missing out on. And I have been using it for
two months and I still can't find something like Notepad or something
like a CLI yet.

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2