On 2/14/2013 1:13 PM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 13:00:00 -0600]:
On 2/14/2013 11:53 AM, Justin wrote:
BillW50 wrote on [Thu, 14 Feb 2013 11:48:31 -0600]:
On 2/13/2013 10:15 PM, Justin wrote:
Paul Miner wrote on [Wed, 13 Feb 2013 16:48:52 -0600]:
On Wed, 13 Feb 2013 21:55:50 +0000 (UTC),
wrote:

Coming from Win 3.1 to Windows 95 it was obvious that the start
button would do something. Up pops a menu of programs and tools.

There was even a sliding arrow in the task bar that would slide in and
say press start to begin.

Coming from Win 7 to Win 8, from the desktop, there is NOTHING obvious
about what to do to do anything.

I too came from starting with Windows 3.1. Although I have been using
GUI OS about 7 years before Windows 3.1. Although saying there is
nothing obvious about what to do under Windows 8... well I have seen
this coming for awhile now and Microsoft has been preparing us for many
years.

Haven't you noticed what happened to Windows Media Player v11? Heck it

No, never used media player for anything.

It is one hell of a player. I have done many experiments with many
players and testing them on limited machines like netbooks, Celeron
CPUs, Atom, etc. And nothing can keep playing flawlessly better than
WMP. I personally think Microsoft uses secret APIs that makes this happen.

I've always used winamp, since before there was a media player.
*shrug*

Yeah I used Winamp too, mainly I used sound cards in the past that
didn't work with anything but Winamp, some desktops replacements that
only worked with Winamp, and branded OEM that came with Winamp. It is
cute and bloated on all. The versions that I used never worked with
multimedia keyboards. But WMP always did. VLC does work with multimedia
keyboards too, but still can't hold a candle to WMP for flawless playback.

slick and clean looking interfaces we now call the ribbon interface.
Those are not obvious either to use. So Windows 8 isn't really much
different than what is what has been happening all along.

The ribbon did indeed make it hard to figure out how to just print.

However, there were things to do, and places to "play around" to find things.

With Windows 8 you have to know to press a specific key, or that the corners
and edges are "hot". My initial install of the windows 8 beta was in
an VirtualBox device. One I hit the desktop it was less than obvious how to
just launch notepad. The edges and corners may have been "hot", but since
the mouse wasn't restricted to the edges of the Win8 screen I never hit them.

Well I am not a big fan of virtual machines whatsoever. I really don't
see the point of them at all. But I am sitting here with over 30+
machines, so it really makes no sense to me at all. And anything that
makes performance worse than before can't be good.

I used the VM because I didn't want to upgrade anything to a beta version
and wanted to see how it works.

Well I have 30+ machines, but even if I only had one machine... a spare
drive would solve that problem.

Having said that, if you do want to use a virtual machine for some
reason. I don't think you should unless you know how it works outside of
the virtual machine environment first. Because VM are not 100% perfect.

This requires you have a spare machine that you can install it on
and wipe out and reinstall if you run into issues.

In this day and age, I can't see anybody being stuck with one machine
anymore. And age doesn't matter like it used too in the past. This
machine is 6 years old and it is still one of my favorites. If I had to
give up my 30+ machines and I only could keep one, this one might be it.
Although I have eight of these M465s and one does sport a T7400 Core2
Duo which I would like a hair better than this one.

But if you were limited with only one machine, one machine that you can
swap out the hard drive in a second or two would be my next choice. Most
of my machines are just that easy.

Heck Android is said to be using a Linux kernel and I bought one Android
machine to see what I am missing out on. And I have been using it for
two months and I still can't find something like Notepad or something
like a CLI yet.

There's no notepad that comes with Android, you need to install one.

Oh come on! An OS without some sort of text editor? I've used like 30
different OS throughout the decades and this is the first one without
one. I did install something and it has a freeware and a payware
versions. I forgot what it is called, but it is just terrible. Hard to
believe you can screw up something as simple as a text editor.

There's also no shell, unless you install the adb on your computer and hook
into it via USB

You're kidding? Heck why bother with an Android at all? Why not just get
virtually any PC tablet and throw Ubuntu on it (or your favorite distro)
and be far ahead of the game without all of the limitations of the
Android? The Android reminds me so much like being stuck with Windows 8
Metro (aka Windows RT) and you can't go anywhere else (at least not very
easily without some sort of hack).

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Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - Thunderbird v12.0.1
Centrino Core2 Duo T5600 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP2