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On 3/2/18 5:34 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Ken Springer
writes:
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At this stage, Total Commander will "totally confuse" this guy. :-)
The concept of the filesystem hierarchy still hasn't sunk in. The
"light bulb" hasn't come on.
Explaining things like this can be hard when the user is fixated on
doing a, b, c, d and has no interest in learning something else. The
Don't I know it! I have a (possibly similar) elderly friend who doesn't
grasp the concept of folders within folders. He's more than once asked
me to go through downloading from his camera card - and he writes down
each stage/step. He just doesn't grasp the _concept_.
Exactly, grasping the concept is hard, and, IMO, none of the MS file
managers windows adequately as they don't display the very top level
correctly. That's why I created my own charts to show the very basic
hierarchy of the filesystem. I've done one for both Windows and Mac,
and would like to do one for Linux someday.
You can see the charts he
https://www.dropbox.com/sh/1lrrman43...kEaOcINFa?dl=0
For any reader that looks at the charts, feel free to download for your
own personal use. The goal was to make it as simple and self
explanatory as possible, and still be able to print on letter sized
paper. I'd appreciate comments and improvement suggestions if anyone
has any.
I got my brother-in-law to try Directory Opus, and we turned on the
feature that
(He's not dim; I'm quite proud that he's managed to convert most of his
LP collection onto CDs, using mp3directcut to cut sides into tracks, and
so on. He's a retired printer - from hot metal days, but I think would
have used linotype machines, not just hand-layout.)
The guy I'm working with is similar, and I think he may have been beat
down growing up with people telling him he is dumb. As a result, he's
possibly over compensated in areas of life. I haven't heard from him in
a couple of days, so I'm thinking he's finally got a grasp on just the
things he wants to do.
hierarchy is so much easier to explain when your file manager has
"lines" like XP and older system have. I may end up installing only
(My friend has Vista, which I think still has the lines.)
In XP the lines are optional, in Vista they don't exist. But Classic
Explorer, part of Classic Shell, can show the lines, and I have mine set
that way.
the Classic Explorer part of Classic Shell, so he has the lines for his
eyes to follow. I've created a simple chart that visually shows the
hierarchy, but laid out as if it was an organizational chart, but I
don't know if he's really looked at it.
That is indeed the problem. You can't give them too much at once, or
they suffer from information overload.
What I tell everyone one, is when what I say starts going over their
head, it's time to quit.
I'm fairly sure that, at some point, he's going to decide he wants his
music categorized, into R&B, country, soft rock, etc., and that should
be the perfect time to explain the hierarchy.
Could be; good luck.
What _is_ it that makes the hierarchical file/folder system, which is so
obvious to us, so difficult to grasp as a concept to some? I'd really
like to know. My friend, for example, just about knows how to make a new
folder - but I suspect would never think of doing so, or at best would
only ever do so in one or two specific places.
Humans, I think, are basically visual at the core. But if the visual
feed your brain gets doesn't make sense, even that is useless. The
charts display the same thing as the MS file managers, but just laid out
in a way many of us are used to seeing, a simple organizational chart.
Even here, some explanation may be necessary.
For some, the use of color may help. So, if you ad a 3rd party program
like Folder Colorizer, where, say, all folders containing bills are
green, that may make it easier. I haven't tested this as yet.
--
Ken
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