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Old August 11th 18, 06:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,microsoft.public.windowsxp.general
VanguardLH[_2_]
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Mayayana wrote:

"VanguardLH" wrote

| about Firefox but you cannot discuss Firefox (which he claims should go
| in the general newsgroup but that discusses EVERYTHING regarding
| Mozilla, not just Firefox).

And, general is pretty much a dead group. So
Chris is being disingenuous saying posts should
be made there. I stopped going to their server
altogether and gladly offer help in Windows groups.
It's the only realistic option.

That's the nice thing about usenet: It's just
about the only place left where we're all adults
with equal rights and not subject to having
ideas filtered.


I don't need nor want the hand-holding of moderators in Usenet. I have
yet to trial or use an NNTP client that doesn't let me define filters.
I get to decide how I filter Usenet for how I want to view it, not rely
on the bias and inefficiency of some human acting as moderator. For me,
if you don't filter then you accept a view of Usenet that shows all
articles and you'll have to use an on-deman filter (your eyes and brain)
to skip what you don't want to read - of course, after already seeing
it.

Yep, Ilias has destroyed the Firefox newsgroup. And no one at Mozilla
cares. There has NEVER been a call for other users to volunteer as
moderators to allow 24x7 coverage of the newsgroup (obviously Ilias
won't be present when he is at work or sleeping) and average out the
bias (all humans have some). Nor has Mozilla considered abandoning
their archaic maillist setup to which they grafted an NNTP gateway and
going straight to an NNTP server (e.g., INN). There is no guaranteed
delivery in e-mail protocols. There is no where for the mail server to
return a fail status to the submitter because the NNTP session has ended
by the time the mail server gets the submission, so the submitter never
knows that their submission ran afoul of some screwup in the mail server
on the other side of the NNTP gateway. And, no, I'm not wasting my time
trying to use e-mail to participate in a discussion in a [news]group.

If Mozilla wants to continue operating a mailing list for their help
groups, they should stick with just that method. Adding an NNTP gateway
just screws up the error status reporting scheme since the NNTP client
won't get notification back through the NNTP gateway when the mail
server ****s up. Mozilla should've moved to NNTP only a long time ago,
or they should've kept separate their mailing lists from their NNTP
newsgroups. Similar problems arise with web-based forums that employ
NNTP gateways to pretend they have a larger community while catering to
the newbies that only know how to use a web browser and installing,
configuring, and using an NNTP client is far beyond their comprehension
(i.e., use dumb interfaces for dumb users). The web-based "newsgroups"
are flat (no hierarchy) and often do not add the References header hence
destroying a conversation by starting new but disconnected threads.
Once an NNTP gateway is employed whether to an e-mail or web server,
that endpoint is unreliable for Usenet.

Ilias' moderation just adds insult to the already imperfect setup. It
is almost as though he relishes throwing salt on the wound.
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