Char Jackson wrote:
VanguardLH wrote:
individual.net, eternal-september, albasani, and non-Mozilla NNTP
servers don't carry the mozilla.* newsgroups.
Newshosting and AstraWeb, as two examples, carry at least 92 mozilla
newsgroups. As stated above, however, and based on what you're saying, I
assume they are not peered with the official mozilla groups. Is that right?
Last I checked, news.mozilla.org was a private NNTP server with peering
only to Google Groups (and Google didn't peer out from there).
Easy way to check would be to add accounts in your NNTP client to
news.mozilla.org, newshosting, and astraweb servers, subscribe to the
same newsgroups in each, and compare the articles available on each
server. Alas, since comparing hierarchical trees or threading of
articles between servers is not a typical client-side function, you'll
have to manually inspect the same newsgroup across different NNTP
servers to see if they match on the articles and threading on the
news.mozilla.org server.
Might be easier to look at articles in the mozilla.* newsgroups on the
Newshosting or Astraweb servers to see if the PATH header shows the
injection node (rightmost) came from Mozilla's NNTP server. If you're
on Newshosting, for example, and if articles got peered from Mozilla's
server to Newshosting's server, the PATH header should show:
PATH: newshostingserver!interveningnodes!mozillaser ver
There might be some trivial strings at the end, like
".Posted!not-for-mail", but those don't represent a node in the route
between peering servers. For example, I use individual.net and you use
Newshosting (who uses Highwinds for the actual Usenet backbone), so the
PATH header that I see for your article on Newshosting to get peered to
my NNTP server is:
PATH: uni-berlin.de!interveningnodes!news.highwinds-media.com!fx45.iad.POSTED!not-for-mail
|___________| |_______________________|
my NNTP server Highwinds
individual.net (Usenet backbone provider)
(Berlin Univ.)
If you visit one of the mozilla.* newsgroups available at Newshosting,
do you see a PATH header that similar to:
PATH:
newshostingserver!interveningnodes!news.mozill a.org[.POSTED][!not-for-mail]
When you use Mozilla's NNTP server to read the mozilla.* newsgroups, you
will see news.mozilla.org got "peered" to Giganews. Well, it wasn't
really peered. Mozilla's newsgroups are hosted at Giganews, but
Giganews provides a server or interface there for Mozilla's use.
https://www.giganews.com/news/article/mozilla.html
When connecting to news.mozilla.org and reading articles on that server
that were posted by other users, you'll see:
PATH: giganews.com!nntp.mozilla.org!news.mozilla.org
|____________________________________________|
It's all at Giganews (Mozilla is a subdomain)
To see in another way:
nslookup news.mozilla.org
Name: news.mozilla.giganews.com (mozilla is a subdomain of giganews)
Address: 216.166.97.169
Aliases: news.mozilla.org
and a reverse DNS shows:
nslookup 216.166.97.169
Name: news.mozilla.giganews.com (mozilla hosted at giganews)
Address: 216.166.97.169
Mozilla is using Giganews' services, like Newshosting uses Highwinds
(well, as I recall, Newshosting is a reseller of Highwinds).
With Giganews peering with others, maybe the mozilla.* newsgroups are
getting wider exposure.
You can see Mozilla still operates their newsgroups as mailing lists and
uses an NNTP-to-e-mail gateway to provide a Usenet "face". In posts
submitted to their newsgroups using their e-mail server, you will see
headers in an article on the Usenet/NNTP side that are just for e-mail
and nothing to do with NNTP.
https://www.mozilla.org/en-US/about/forums/
"They are set up so they can be read as newsgroups, mailing lists or web
groups"
For example, their Thunderbird support newsgroup is accessible via:
[E-]Mailing List:
Newsgroup: mozilla.support.thunderbird (on news.mozilla.org hosted on Giganews)
Web forum: https://groups.google.com/forum/#!fo...rt.thunderbird
If Giganews was peering out Mozilla's articles to other NNTP servers,
like Newshosting/Highwinds and Astraweb, then why don't those same
articles end up getting peered to individual.net and Eternal-September?