On 2-7-2017 15:22, Paul wrote:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
The recent thread (in the W7 'group only) about converting VHS (to DVD
was in the title of that thread, but to disc file equally) made me wonder:

What experience have people had with converting old cine film? (Or new
for that matter! But I can't imagine many people are still shooting it.)

I have a certain amount of standard and super 8 film; fortunately not
sound, so that's one less thing to worry about. I _think_ I still have
the projectors (-:!

I'd be interested to hear others' experiences in converting these: do
you just set up the projector and point a video camera at the screen? I
can't think of any other way, but can see lots of problems: not only
optical (getting things lined up, do you use a large or small image, do
you actually shoot from the opposite side of the screen, do you even do
something odd like projecting directly onto the sensor), but matters of
sync: IIRR (silent) standard 8 used 16 frames per second and super 8 18
[I think 24 for sound film], which don't map well to the 24 or 25 of
"PAL" or the 30 of NTSC which the video camera is likely to be (I'm in
"PAL"-land) - especially as most projectors actually cut the beam twice
per frame to reduce flicker?

What experience do people have of the (usually rather expensive)
high/main street shops which offer such conversion facilities: do _they_
just use a projector/camera setup? I can see that the best possible
method would use a telecine machine like the broadcasters use (which
does not use intermittent-motion), but I very much doubt most shops
offering "conversion" services have anything like that.

So, generally - what are people's thoughts/experiences?

Just a random thought triggered by the VHS discussion; I don't
anticipate doing it any time soon - a project for retirement. (Though
thinking about it now, there may be slightly more urgency than I'd
assumed if I'm going to do it using my old projectors, as the longer I
leave it there's always increasing chance that belts may have perished
or similar, if they haven't already [I was going to say or electronics
degraded - capacitors dried out etc. - but I don't think there _is_ any
electronics in my old projectors, certainly not the old Russian OMO
wheezer for the standard 8!].)

(A sign that it's time to think about it: my spelling checker doesn't
know "cine"! [And yes I know it really should have an accent.] I came
across a .sig or similar on similar lines - something like "You know
you're old when you type VCR and the spelling checker wants to change it
to vicar.")

P. S.: I say the standard 8 was 16 frames per second, though only
roughly: it was a clockwork camera! Virtually the same as the Zapruder
one, in fact it may even be the same model; not that I'm that old!, but
that was what a schoolboy in the 70s in England could afford. But it was
_fairly_ steady in speed, and I'd be happy to accept a fixed rate for
the conversion, especially as there's no sound.

P. P. S: At least when well lit, cine film - even 8mm, especially super
8 (which used more of the film width) - was capable of better-than-SD
resolution, though I'll probably not worry too much about that.

You can find a thread on the topic.

https://www.photo.net/discuss/thread...ourself.38847/

Paul

A neigbour went to a shop with his films spools and had them converted.
Prisetag was about 300 dollar.