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On 09/07/2012 09:34 PM, glee wrote:
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On 09/07/2012 06:54 AM, Zaphod Beeblebrox wrote:
On Thu, 6 Sep 2012 15:55:12 -0500, "BillW50"
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philo wrote:
On 09/06/2012 08:22 AM, slate_leeper wrote:

XP Professional, SP2. 500gb SATA drive, using 74gig.

This is a left-over file that was not removed by the program's
uninstall routine.

Trying to delete it results in the "locked or in use" error.

File Assassin's "unlock" routine reports that the file is not
locked.
However File's Assassin's "delete file" command results in
"unable to
delete."

snip

First off: boot to safe mode, you should be able to delete it
from there. If that does not work, boot from a Linux live
cd...for sure you will be able to delete it then. (I'd
probably rename it first just in case it ends up being some
file needed for booting)

Careful, I have been burned by Linux Live before. My Windows
didn't have
a swapfile because I was running it on a SSD. And Ubuntu Live
doesn't
care and makes it's own in the Windows partition. I have no idea
why Linux needs to touch anything it shouldn't, but it does. And
when I booted Windows after Ubuntu Live it popped up a window
saying Windows
Installer and froze. I much prefer WinPE or BartPE. As they
don't play
games with your partition like Linux does.

rant

As with many other anecdotes and instances of failure from you,
this reeks of user error. I've been using various Linux Live
CDs, including
Ubuntu, extensively for system recovery for better than a decade
and what you describe just doesn't happen and I'll wager has
never happened. First, Linux Live CDs don't auto-mount hard
drive partitions, they must be manually mounted by the user.
Second, Linux Live CDs don't use swap. Third, Linux doesn't use
a swap *file* by default it uses a swap *partition* so it would
have completely flattened the partition had it somehow gone off
the deep end and decided to use your drive as swap on its own.
Fourth, even if it did use a swap file, that file would have
been just that, a file on the file system separate from anything
else and Windows wouldn't have cared
a whit.

Crawl back under your bridge, troll.

/rant



Now that I think of it you are right...
the user must have made some other error.
Not only is it true about Linux using a swap partition rather
than a swap file...It would certainly not setup anything on an
NTFS drive In all the years I've used Linux live cd's they never
had any
effect on the Windows install other than what I chose to modify

Exactly. I too have been using a variety of Linux Live CDs for
over a decade, and they simply do not touch the hard drives or
mount them for anything, unless and until the user allows it.

That isn't true Glen. The one who compiles Linux has that and more
opinions available. I take it you never compiled Linux before?

No user compiling is involved in running a Live CD, so I don't see
how that is relevant. The user downloads the .iso, burns the image
to a CD or creates the bootable USB drive. Done.
You stated you used an Ubuntu Live CD and this happened... I've been
using Ubuntu Live CDs for some time and have never seen this
behavior. Tell me in what version you saw this behavior, I'll
download and make the Live CD or USB stick, and see if the behavior
you report is reproduced. It hasn't been in any of the versions I
have used.

This whole thread is getting a bit weird.
I have never had a Linux live cd do anything to a Windows installation
unless I specifically did something...
but I have evidence that if a live Linux cd is used to access an
existing *Linux* installation it will use an existing swap partition
if there is one. I fooled with this a few days ago.

OTOH: I can't imagine any "home user" downloading a Linux iso
then recompiling the source code

Yes, one automatically assumes if you boot the Live distro, it won't
touch your Windows install. But sadly I discovered otherwise. As all you
have to do is to boot the Live distro. Then do nothing except to shut it
down and then boot Windows XP once again and XP hangs before the desktop
fully loads. If I didn't have US Robotics iband installed, I don't think
you would ever seen Windows hang after booting the Live distro. Plus
that machine has the Windows swapfile turned off. I don't know if that
is important or not.

And true most home user never has to get down to compiling the source
code. Although some Xandros EeePC users did. As they originally compiled
Linux to use only up to 1GB of RAM and the machine can accept up to 2GB.
Plus you have to recompile Xandros if you want anything newer than
Thunderbird 1.5, Firefox 2, and Open Office 2. As the kernel needs to be
updated for anything newer to run. And this job is left up to the home
user to do unfortunately.

Although the part about why compiling is important here, as that is
where one gets to choose whether or not Live grabs the Windows swapfile
for its own use or not. Sadly, the home user has no say so after it is
compiled. Nor does Linux give the home user a heads up on whether it is
doing so or not.

--
Bill
Gateway M465e ('06 era) - OE-QuoteFix v1.19.2
Centrino Core Duo T2400 1.83GHz - 4GB - Windows XP SP3