On 2020-01-01, Arlen Holder wrote:
On Wed, 01 Jan 2020 04:04:44 GMT, Melzzzzz wrote:

One advantage though, of "Brave", is that you can make _one_ tab a "Tor
Tab", which allows you to use the same browser for Tor and for non-Tor
activities, where Brave is the _only_ browser that I know of that allows
you to turn Tor on and off on a "per tab" basis (AFAIK).

As I see it has option to start private window with tor. Can't find
option to open tab with tor.

Ah. I may have misspoke. I actually don't even like Brave. So I don't use
it. As I recall, when I last tested Brave, I _thought_ it was a "tab" that
was Tor'd; but it could be (and probably is, since you said so), a window.

My mistake.
(I hated Brave, personally, but others might find it useful.)

What's interesting is that on the iOS mobile device, the Aloha "browser"
appears to be an all-port VPN (AFAICT) but that type of browser-induced
all-port-VPN functionality doesn't seem to exist on the desktop.

What's wrong with just using anonimous proxy?
VPN has no real advantage to that,,,

Hehheh... you really don't wanna go there.
Ask Mike Easter. We've been down that route. It's a loooooong road.

Filled with mismatches.

Just skim this long sordid thread, for an example of the philosophical
versus pragmatic problem set determination - just to get an idea of the
mismatch between philosophy and pragmatism.
o How to get up & running on a free public vpn service in minutes on Android or iOS
https://groups.google.com/d/msg/comp.mobile.android/Bv8bwG4ggnc/MgPhvvgHEgAJ

As I recall, that thread spilled over into alt.os.linux, where the key
question about proxies is how to _easily_ make them work for all ports
(e.g., for Usenet).

BTW, when you say "proxies", you likely mean one of two different things,
where I am not sure at any given moment which is it that you mean.
1. Browser proxies (e.g., proxy web services)
2. All-port proxies (e.g., privoxy)

They both are just fine, philosophically - which is where I agree with you
100% (and with Mike Easter who brought this up loooooong ago). I could dig
up the thread, but the main point here isn't philosophy - 'cuz
philosophically you're 100% right (and I agree with you).

It's the pragmatics that make VPN oh so much better than proxies.
1. Browser proxies only work for one tab (which sucks, pragmatically).
(Sure, Opera/Epic browser proxies work for all tabs.)

2. System wide proxies are a PITA for most people to set up
(Compared to system-wide VPNs, anyway).

It's a looooooooooong story though. So that's just a quick summary of why
proxies are philosophically great - but pragmatically - they suck (IMHO)
compared to system wide VPNs.

On the other hand, system wide VPN sucks, philosophically, if all we want
is to change the IP address and a bit of encryption; but pragmatically,
system-wide VPNs are so easy as to be so simple that anyone can use them.

VPN is useless for encryption, except on private network. If you browse
web good ald https it is.


Anyway, what's weird is Aloha on iOS:
a. Running the Aloha browser on Android does not seem to be set a system
wide VPN (all ports)... and yet...
b. Running the Aloha browser on iOS _does_ seem to set the entire system
(i.e., all ports) to VPN.

Ah, Android , iOS
I got it.
Anyway that's policy. You can set vpn on Android disregarding browser.
Of course if you have one handy...


That's weird. IMHO. I don't know how they do that.


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