On 03/25/2018 10:56 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/25/2018 10:51 AM, Rene Lamontagne wrote:
On 03/25/2018 10:43 AM, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
[HB: skip to paragraph near end starting "Back to HB", other than for
interest.]

In message , Paul
writes:
J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , Patrick
writes:
On 25/03/2018 06:18, J. P. Gilliver (John) wrote:
In message , HB writes:
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How many times does MS allow us to use the "once only" copy of
the OS?
Â*As many times as you like/need - as long as they're always on
the _sameÂ* computer_. The "once only" is what Microsoft says
about _making_ thoseÂ* discs: It says something like "you will
only have oneÂ* chance to makeÂ* these discs". (_Why_ it does that
limit, I don'tÂ* know, since they canÂ* only be used on that PC.)

Oops, I,ve just told HB that said would be a restriction (if at
all) of the OEM rather than MS. Still not to relevant at the moment.
Â*What I've said above is just _my_ understanding of the situation -
though I'm fairly sure the "once only" _does_ apply to the number
of times a new computer offers to _make_ the discs. It was always
my _understanding_ that those discs were in some way tied to the
computer they were made on (presumably involving a hash of various
hardware parameters, and allowing for a _certain amount_ of change
to enable upgrade and/or repair), but I can't cite a source for
that impression.
Â*Does anyone know whether a system restored from such disc(s)
requiresÂ* activation? Just curious; it's not going to be relevant
to HB'sÂ* situation, as even if he could get the system running from
the old disc,Â* the opportunity to make a rescue disc is probably
long gone. In theÂ* unlikely event he could get the system running
from the old disc, I'dÂ* say the first thing to do would be make an
image onto his SeagateÂ* external drive (which I would do with
Macrium, but any means includingÂ* W7's built-in one would do).

OEM OSes auto-activate.

On Windows 7, an OEM copy of Windows 7 checks the information in the
SLIC table the BIOS passes to it.

On Win8 or Win10 OEM machines, an actual unique key is stored in the
BIOS as the ACPI MSDM table, and the OS sees this during startup or
something.

*******

Where actual work is required, is if a user grabs a Win7 Retail DVD
and installs on an OEM (Dell,Acer,HP) laptop. Then, the phone prompt
appears on thescreen, and you participate in an activation process.

I've done one of these on my laptop, using
xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx-xxxxx
off the COA sticker. You send a 56 digit number to Microsoft over your
touch tone phone, and Microsoft reads back a 56 digit code that you
type
into the laptop. Is the method annoying ? Oh, yeah.

Â* Paul

Not relevant to HB, but I was wondering about the discs that a new
OEM (pre-installed) machine prompts you to make the first few times
you start Windows after getting the machine home and turning it on.
Are these purely an OEM install disc (in which case they'd be one
disc if a DVD), or are they something different to everything else
we've discussed (Retail install, OEM install, "Rescue")? I'd assumed
they were specific to the machine they were made on, or at least the
make and model, and would restore it to its original condition
(probably including the junkware the manufacturer installs).

Back to HB: the above is useful to know - that if he gets hold of a
retail disc he'll still be able to install and activate it using the
code from his sticker, but will have to go through 'phone activation.
If he gets the one Patrick's post of 2018-3-25 10*:43:0 is providing,
will he be able to use that _without_ having to go through
activation? (If he does, and all goes well, will it then nag him to
make disc[s]?)

If he installs from either of these (Retail or OEM-from-Patrick), I
presume the Toshiba special recovery (hold down 0 [zero] while
powering) won't work, though that's no great loss as it relies on the
drive not being dead and we're going to encourage him to image,
aren't we.

(*hour may vary with timezone)

Solution to HB problem.

Â*Â*Concrete slab, 9 pound hammer,(John Henry).Â* !!! *BAM* !!!Â* :-)

Rene

Forgot very important part, Bad Drive.

Rene

Or was it a 20 pound hammer? :-)

Rene