On Sun, 20 Sep 2020 at 01:14:59, VanguardLH wrote:
Mayayana wrote:
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I think you need to get out more, V. You go on and on
with these arguments. And what are you arguing about?

Seemed you intended to insult me with my mention of [disabling]

Come on you two. I consider the major sources of both information and
advice on this and some other newsgroups to be Paul, then Mayayana and
VanguardLH, then a few others. I enjoy (though may skim) a good Mayayana
rant (though VLH had one in this thread), but I don't want to see you
two fighting! Normally, I know your views on a range of subjects, and
you know each others', and usually you don't respond much when you
disagree on something, or only do so briefly.

extensions, yet you never did show what troubleshooting steps you would
take to start working on the problem (when it was present) for the OP.

(I'm also guilty on that one - I jumped in with _my_ hobby-horse without
actually having much positive to suggest. [I imagine the OP has
abandoned the thread by now, anyway.])

As for spoofing the UA header, the only reason it got deprecated was due
to abuse by users. However, the history of the UA header had web client
authors abusing it first, so users saw that and wanted it, too, to lie
to a server what client was visiting them. Instead of using a
compatible client, they continue to use a deficient one and pretend it's
something else.

IMO, the real villains are the browser developers and script writers who
kept introducing things on the one side, and using them on the other, at
such a high rate. While not against progress - as one of you said, we'd
still be on mosaic 0.5 without progress - I do feel to some extent that
the rate is too high, especially where it _breaks_ things, and mainly
that the coders are at fault for (a) using the latest toys as soon as
they appear without providing any graceful fallback, and/or coding to
demand the latest when what they want to achieve has no need of it.
[Sometimes, of course, these days, they don't know they're doing that,
as they don't code, they use tools that make the code; the villains then
are the tool creators who do (b).]

I find, for example, surveys are among the worst offenders; when I find
one that doesn't work in an older browser, and do it in a new one, I see
nothing that couldn't have been implemented perfectly satisfactorily on
the older one. (With the possible exception of eye-candy, such as
floating radio buttons that follow the mouse pointer, which are not
needed for the purpose of the survey.)
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