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Old January 2nd 18, 03:02 AM posted to alt.windows7.general,alt.comp.os.windows-10
Diesel
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Default For Windows experts only: How to find the unique Opera device_id associated with my setup?

Chaya Eve
news alt.windows7.general, wrote:

On Fri, 29 Dec 2017 12:31:14 -0600, Char Jackson
wrote:

Most people lock their door, but I don't know many people who
take all of the steps that you take. That's probably what Diesel
was getting at.


Let's try to stay on topic, which is to first try to understand
*what* Opera actually does - and then - once we understand that -
then we can see if anyone here knows Windows well enough to figure
out how to capture it.


Some of us do understand what Opera is actually doing. You seem to be
the one left out in the cold here.

I thought it was a valid question. "Windows Networking" isn't
responsible for creating or storing either of the unique IDs in
question, and by the time they're being transported, the session
is encrypted.


Your point about Windows isn't valid but your point about
encryption is valid. Windows should be able to capture anything
that emanates from our computers. If we can't capture what
emanates from our computers, we're essentially driving them blind.


You clearly don't have a firm grasp on the Windows Networking aspect
or how encryption works at that level. Windows can't show you what it
doesn't have access to.

The point is that we are all ignorant, in that we are driving our
Windows computers with a blindfold on - and where all I'm asking
is for advice from people who know how to drive Windows better
than I do - for how to remove the blindfolds.


At this point, I'd say my eight year old nephew has a better grasp on
driving windows than you do.

Same as above. I think he's asking a valid question.


What's a perfectly valid question is *what* does Opera actually do
when you run it on Windows, where, most people here are clueless,
as am I.


I can't claim that most people here are clueless, but, I'm getting
the distinct impression you're a bit daft concerning the underlying
processes involved here.

For example, trying to keep on topic even though I probably won't
learn anything from you - not because you can't help - but because
you know even less than I do about the problem set


Wow.

What I'm basically asking is, once we do this, does anyone on this
newsgroup know Windows well enough to say how one could tell
whether those steps actually work?

Essentially, what you're asking is:
1. What are the two unique IDs and where are they stored?
2. Can they be manipulated to gain more privacy?


That's almost correct; but not quite correct - but you do show an
adept understanding that the previous poster was clearly clueless
about.


Uhh, not hardly. I know perfectly well what it is you were asking. I
asked why you thought some systems which have nothing to do with your
question were involved in it. I was trying to get a feel for your
actual knowledge level so I could dumb my advice down accordingly. As
I've figured out you're ignorance level is well below my minimum
tolerance required for teaching, I'm unable to help you. Not because
I don't know the answer or what I'm writing about, but because you
don't have even a limited base from which I could build upon. In
other words, you have nothing for me to work with.

I admit I don't understand this public-key/private-key encryption
sequence but I'm hopeful that there is a way to at least *watch*
it in action.


Wow... If you could watch it in action beyond key exchange, it would
defeat the entire purpose of doing it in the first place. You clearly
DO NOT understand the concepts involved here, and, until you do, it
doesn't matter what advice/suggestions anyone gives you.

It's a valid question.
I knew only an expert could answer it as it requires knowledge of
Windows networking that I don't have.


Not only do you not have the knowledge of Windows networking, you
don't even have the basics well understood. For you, no answer is
going to be accepted. And who knows what your definition of an expert
might be.




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